Presidential hopeful Newt Ginrich must be hoping that Herman Cain's alleged infidelities and Mitt Romney's inconsistency on the issues will bolster his own political fortunes.

But first he has to get past his own shortcomings, which include multiple marriages, major ethics violations charges and his own supposed softness on immigration reform.

This week to bolster his credibility on the immigration front Ginrich took the opportunity to talk tough to Fox New's Bill O'Reilly this week

In a transcript of their discussion on the Fox News website the conversation went like this:

O'REILLY: All right, let's go to immigration. Border fence, would you put a border fence from Brownsville in San Diego if you were president?



GINGRICH: Absolutely.

O'REILLY: Would you move the National Guard down to the border in certain precincts that are dangerous and would put the U.S. National Guard to back up the border.

GINGRICH: Sure, I would use whatever - look I would use whatever resources we needed to. I've said, you know 23,000 Department of Homeland Security employees in the Washington D.C. area. I'd move half of them to Texas, New Mexico and Arizona if we need the manpower.

O'REILLY: Well, that would just frighten the people not to come here because they'll being the federal employees. I mean, President Bush did not want to -

GINGRICH: I would be willing to use -- I would be willing to reinforce, there's a profound reason to not get the military too close the drug dealing because of its enormous potential for corruption. But I think as reinforcement for local sheriffs, as reinforcement for local law enforcement and for the border patrol you certainly would use whatever level of military you use to make sure we had overwhelming power.

O'REILLY: Ok because President Bush was not -- did not want to do that. He did not for whatever reason and he never clearly articulated it.


O'REILLY: He did not want to use the National Guard to get down there and help Arizona in particular which is just awash with the whole of the stuff.
And Arnold Schwarzenegger the Governor of California flat out refused to do it when he could have called out the National Guard. They refused to do it.
Do you understand President Bush and Governor Schwarzenegger's reluctance?



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GINGRICH: No. And I think that's -- they have to explain their reluctance. What I can tell you is we have -- we have a crisis in national security. We've have it since 1986 when President Reagan wrote that he was signing the Simpson-Mazzoli in his diary in order to get the border controlled. For a quarter of a century we failed. I've said it at, you can see it right there one of my top priorities is we would have complete control by January 1, 2014. I think it's a national security imperative and I would take whatever resources were needed to get the job done.

O'REILLY: Ok. Now the 11 million - this is an estimate but I think it's accurate - the 11 million illegal immigrants already here have to be dealt with in some way. My program which I've had up on BillO' for years says you start with registering, you give illegal aliens a time period, maybe a month, maybe two months that they have to register at the post office with their name, their address and their status, all right.
And if they have a Social Security number or something like that they have it. If they don't register within the time period that the government decides it's a felony. It's a felony all right, would you support that?

GINGRICH: Well, look I want to deport the people who don't register, I don't want to put -

O'REILLY: No, no but you have to find out where they are and who they are.

O'REILLY: And we don't know where they are and who they are they are living in the shadows.

GINGRICH: Right and if you're saying -

O'REILLY: Would you support a registration of illegal aliens.

GINGRICH: Yes, I would support a universal registration of those who are here illegally. And I think the immediate -- you'd have immediate deportation if you did not sign up within a certain time. I just the way you frame it Bill. I wouldn't support putting them in jail because I don't want our taxpayers subsidizing them in jail if they are here and not obeying law. Let's kick them out.

O'REILLY: Well, I'll tell you what it would do, I understand that but the deterrent then becomes much higher if it's a felony and you're sentenced to two or three years in a federal penitentiary which you can build all right, that's a deterrent for anybody coming in here. It's not only deals with people who are thumbing their nose at your order but it also prevents people from coming in here. But all right be that as it may it can be massaged. All right so they register under President Gingrich. You know where they are, and they ones that don't are immediately deported, picked up or whatever. And you would order the states to comply. Sanctuary cities, what would happen to San Francisco if they told President Gingrich we're not going to do it. What would you do to them?

GINGRICH: Look, we're going to propose a bill that cutoff all federal funding to any sanctuary city or sanctuary state. They get no money of any kind from the federal government, period as of that moment and if San Francisco wants to bankrupt itself and some fantasy it's fine.

O'REILLY: All right, so you would take a tough approach and you're not sending anymore federal money on any level to anybody that doesn't aggressively support the federal law. Ok. Final -

GINGRICH: Including by the way I would reward, let me just say, I would reward and encourage South Carolina, Arizona and those states that are correctly using local law enforcement and I would withdraw the federal lawsuits because they are doing the right thing trying to help us find people who are here illegally.