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The Irish are fast losing their religion say experts

New census data has bad news for church they say



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Ireland is losing its religion at a rapid rate according to American researchers – and a top Irish theologian agrees.

University lecturers Daniel Abrams and Richard Wiener say that a study of the Irish census has damning revelations for the Catholic church and other religions.

Their view is backed up by leading religious writer and academic David Quinn who claims it ‘cannot be absolutely ruled out’ that religion could disappear in Ireland.

Northwestern University lecturer Abrams told the Irish edition of the Sunday Times that the churches need to heed the census findings.

In Ireland, the numbers who defined themselves as having no religious affiliation grew from 1,000 in 1961 to 186,000 in 2006.

The number defining themselves as Roman Catholics dropped from 95% in 1961 to 87% in 2006.

“The fastest growing trend in Ireland is for people to state they are unaffiliated to any organized religion,” stated Abrams.

“The findings were quite stark in Ireland particularly as it has gone from being a very religious country to a much less religious one in a short space of time.

“Only 0.04% of the Irish population said they were not affiliated to a religion in the 1961 census compared to 4.2% in 2006.

“Based on our model, 39% of the population in Ireland will describe themselves as unaffiliated by 2050.”

Research unveiled by the duo at the American Physical Society in Dallas also concluded that nine countries are losing their religion – Australia, Austria, the Czech Republic, Canada, Finland, Ireland, New Zealand, Holland and Switzerland.

David Quinn, a director at the religious think-tank Iona Institute and a respected commentator on the subject, told the Sunday Times that the disappearance of religion in Ireland couldn’t be discounted.

“But evidence from the even the most secular societies suggests there is an irreducible core of between five and 10 per cent who will keep the faith,” said Quinn.

“Three factors will ensure the survival of religion in Ireland,” he added.

First, immigration will play a role with more immigrants who have been raised with strong religious values.

“Studies have also shown that religious people have more children, suggesting fewer are likely to be raised atheists.

“Third, religious parents are also becoming better at protecting their children from the lure of secular society.”

Quinn also told the paper that he believes there is a chance of a religious revival in Europe.

“It is not unprecedented,” he said. “There was a revival in Britain in the 19th century, for example.”

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Do you people all think in such limited terms as to believe that your religion is the right religion? All religions as far as I can tell contain some kernels of truth, surrounded by loads of bollocks that people have added in, in order to control other people. All of the religions contain the same basics layed out in different ways. All say THOU SHALT NOT KILL, yet every religion has followers who will happily kill people of other religions. Faith does not require naming, just live by the values and hurt nobody. Buddhist principles include animals in that- to all you animal lovers. Religion= hypocrisy and control. Have faith and stop arguing.
Thanks to shenanigans for invite to prayer – did so immediately upon reading your post. It is a fantastic post, so true in pointing out that many consider sin as a trifling matter. During a vision to a saintly nun (can’t remember her name right now), she asked Christ which wound hurt him most. He replied that it was the one on His right shoulder, where most of the lashes landed and on which He had to carry His Cross, for us.
Because Jesus Christ is divine everyone of His actions is of infinite value; consequently, He could have redeemed allof mankind by offering to divine justice a single heartbeat within His mother's womb. In that event, most men might have thought, as many do now adays that sin is a trifling matter. Because of the callousness and carelessness of men, Jesus Christ determined to undertake the agonizing Passion in order to impress upon mankind the dreadful seriousness and horrible consequences of sin. The Sorrowful Mysteries principally demonstrate just one portion of the penalty of anybody's serious sin; they show how the senses of one Man were punished because of sin. They do not reveal and they cannot reveal that withering realization of separation from God which drew from Christ the one cry of anquish during the entire Passion, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?". ~ The sting of the lash along Christ's flesh has long since subsided. We cannot stay the scourage that has already fallen, but we can learn from Christ's atonement that serious sin inevitably leads us to terrible expiation. (1-Our Father, 10 Hail Mary's).
Maybe it's time to return to the "Old Religion" of pre Christian times.
I agree! :)
(...more) Please forgive jacersagain if he says to all, “lookagain (sic)... who’s the “Loser”? eh?” - The ones who rejected Abraham’s God, his Messiah Son’s teachings and all the rewards of that religion? Do you want to see people leaving you lonely, scuffing their sandals with their backs to you, when you didn’t listen while they invited you to the Truth? And then for you to be one who has a cheek to blame them as they leave you behind?? Who, honestly, are the ones losing eternal religion? Certainly not most Christians in Ireland or Europe. Certainly not the religiously faithful descendants of the Jews of King Nebuchadnezzar’s time. I bet 'Nabu' didn’t expect that Jews would be around 2500years after he was gone either. Neither should “experts” assume, as Nebuchadnezzar ignorantly assumed in his attempt to destroy the faith of God’s Jews, about Irish Christians fast losing their faith in Christ or His father, God. So there you are now, barneyjo and friends. Keep your faith. You and I all win by that surrender.
(...more) When the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar attacked Jerusalem 2500 yrs ago (about 500 yrs before Christ arrived) - at a time when the world’s population wasn’t anywhere near what is it now, never mind Jerusalem's, or anywhere near as educated or anywhere as influenced so badly by ‘popular’ press and magazines like it is today – when 'Nabu' killed off the few thousand Jew citizens in that large commune/town, killed off their spiritual and political leaders and destroyed their precious Temple, the Jews left felt so badly hit that they thought they were finished as a people, that their religion and the God of their Abraham was finished too. >>> But hang on a minute... isn’t Judaism very much in the news still today? Isn’t the faith of the Jews still very much alive? Didn’t ONE Jew found a new religion - 500 yrs after Nebuchadnezzar’s demolition of Jerusalem and his attempt to kill off its people’s faith, making and leaving only ruins of their Temple - because He was the Messiah that they waited for, the ONE that Jews of the day laughed at?... Be wary, those who laugh in the face of Abraham’s God, in the face of his Son the Messiah, and in the face of those who still believe in Him, even 2000 yrs after His power to... for... His Resurrection to Life again. >>> Our Christian faith will be still around long after I am gone, long after Irish Central, Cathal Dervan and those smirkingly posting below that faith is rubbish, are gone. In fact, it will be around for a very long amount of God's own chosen measure of time. >>> Don’t you think it odd that some people, in assumed superiority, don't ever learn? – That the greatest, sweetest victory is gained in surrendering to God’s love and trying to live by it? >> This so-called "new census study" is massively wrong... it’s sputtering the words of Satan, all lies. (More...)
While it is clear that there are many in Ireland apparently abandoning practice of the Christian faith for whatever reasons (the present gip-reason is paedophilia and other abuses amongst 2% of its priests and nuns of 30 to 50 yrs ago), the American study does not show that Irish people are abandoning their Christian faith at all. It merely (like Cathal Dervan’s article above) ridiculously suggests so. And because of that, fashion-idolaters, trend-following, shopaholic, idiotic capitalist-consumed people will assume it as fact. Before anyone shouts that jacersagain is heart-brokenly crying like a “Loser, Loser...!” let me put something historical in context before you (More...)
Please pardon me for a spiel here and in following posts... It’s been disheartening reading some of the vicious comments about loss of religion under this article by Cathal Dervan and particularly saddening that Irish Central once again allows (or delegates) one of its Staff Writers to pick Irish people out as those losing their faith on the basis of ‘new census data’ from an American study – i.e. one removed from the reality on the ground in Ireland. >>> It is an incredibly stupid headline because it is taking out of context (or borrowing from) the fact that the real new Irish National Census is only under way; it will be taken on the night of the 10th of April and it will be a while before its first statistics are made known. It will probably show a reduction in the numbers attending church, or declaring themselves Catholics, never mind Christians of any hue, but that won’t be a surprise. What will be alternatively surprising about it is that, like St. Paul said, when you have to scuff the dirt from your sandals and walk on in spreading the message of Christ, moving on from those who won’t or don’t listen, it will show how many who have rejected Christ’s exhortations. That will be the truly startling disheartening statistic; but still just a statistic of the night of the Census, with no knowledge or predictability of the future.
If anyone is interested, Google theholysee.com then go to 'updates' and then click on the PASTORAL LETTER OF THE HOLY FATHER POPE BENEDICT XVI TO THE CATHOLICS OF IRELAND This is a very interesting read!
@Gearoid4 I'll ask again:how does the construction of wonderful architecture honour God when "his children" are in need around the world? Was he or was he not in charge when these pedophiles were being moved to different parishes? "It could be reasonably argued".translated means: you know he is guilty but the paperwork to prove it was "lost" and all the priests close ranks or too afraid to stand up in case they are excommunicated for speaking against the "Infallible one" .Good Christian behaviour.If a priest is a pedophile then he needs to be dealt with by the police not the hierarchy of the church. He does not need to be moved on to find his next victim.
Well who feels they are winning? Pacifist eats bibles for breakfast,lunch and supper. She really knows the bible. Gearoid4 is not bad either. Never really trusted the bible or religion myself. Never liked the effect it had on people over the centuries. This fight to get closer to God.It makes me nervous. Reminds me of Limerick in 1979.A million people gathering to see the pope.Managed with a buddy to worm our way to a fence where the pope was going to past 5 feet away.Suddenly from behind this manic screeching..Get out of the way!!! Get out of the way!!! Two fat hefty nuns pushed my buddy down into the muck and I went the other way. The pope saw it and gave this upward motion with his hand to say get up because it was really dangerous with the crushing. I remember it clearly,he didn't even look at the nuns. He looked like a nice guy.But we just wanted to be near the action.We didn't care about the pope. Those nuns could have got us hurt or worse,just to get nearer to John Paul II.It was a lesson learned.Never underestimate the viciousness of the highly devoted. It wasn't their fault they were in a mental religious frenzy..Didn't give a sh*t about anybody. I knew then Peter...Take that sh*t in small doses.
PS, I don't for a moment believe that religion and spirituality will leave Ireland.
Ireland lost its druidic religion first to St. Patrick and later its Celtic Church to the Roman Catholic Church. Good riddance to continental christianity and male-centric celibate religions everywhere! Adapt and reform or perish.
@expatrick, First off, the lifestyle of the pope is not scandalously opulent. His day is taken up by giving audiences, receiving ambassadors, attending ceremonies et. He then retires to his study around 8 pm where he might commence paper work or view the nightly news bulletin. By nature the present pope is a humble and courteous man who shuns extravagant displays. His main concern is spreading the evangelical gospel of Christ. As for your assertion that 'the man at the top was responsible for relocating pedophile priests', nothing could be more wide of the mark. It could be reasonably argued that no-one has done more to tackle the harrowing and complex issue of child abuse. In 2001 it was the then Cardinal Ratzinger in his position as head of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith who persuaded Pope John Paul 11 to allocate to him the task of rooting out this scourge. The cases that he read through, left a deep impression on him which led to his description of the 'filth' which had invaded the priesthood at the obsequies for John Paul 11, his beloved predecessor. You may ridicule the running of a parish as a business but how can one maintain a parish without finance, e.g heating, electricity, building repairs etc? Let's live in the real world. These are worldly concerns which should not obfuscate the 'spiritual' dimension.




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