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Ireland worse than Greece, faces financial ruin, say two leading economists



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The decade saw the speedy rise and the equally swift demise of the Celtic Tiger.
Two leading economist say that Ireland is facing financial ruin and should consider leaving the Euro zone

Ireland's economic miracle was a mirage and it should consider leaving the Euro say two leading economists writing in The New York Times.

They also say Ireland's real economic situation is as bad if not worse than Greece when you take multinational tax havens out of the equation.

Simon Johnson, former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, and Peter Boone of the London School of Economics say that "Ireland’s politicians, rather than facing up to their problems, are making things ever worse. Simply put, the Irish miracle was a mirage driven by clever use of tax-haven rules and a huge credit boom that permitted real estate prices and construction to grow quickly before declining ever more rapidly.”

They claim that "Ireland’s problems are, sadly, far deeper than the need for simple fiscal austerity. The Celtic Tiger’s impressive reported growth over the past decades was in part based on its aggressive attempts to help major corporations in the United States reduce their tax bills.

"The remarkable success of this tax haven means that roughly 20 percent of Irish gross domestic product is actually ‘profit transfers’ that raise little tax for Ireland and are owned by foreign companies. Since most of these profits are subject to the tax code, they are accounted for in Ireland where they are lightly taxed; they should not be counted as part of Ireland’s potential tax base. A more robust cross-country comparison would be to examine Ireland’s financial condition ignoring these transfers....

“When we adjust Ireland’s figures accordingly, the situation is dire. The budget deficit was about 17.9 percent of G.N.P. in 2009, and based on European Commission data (and assuming the G.N.P.-G.D.P. gap remains the same) it will be roughly 14.6 percent in 2010 and 15.1 percent in 2011.

“There is no simple escape, but if the government hopes to avoid a sovereign default, the one overriding priority should be to stop bailing out the banks. Instead, the government should wind down existing banks in a “bad bank,” while moving their deposit base and profitable businesses into new, well-capitalized banks that can function without a taxpayer burden. This will be messy, but it is far better than a sovereign default.

“Finally, the Irish need to consider seriously whether being in the euro zone is worth the cost. The adjustment to this awful situation would be far easier outside the euro zone — even though leaving the zone might have adverse repercussions for other nations. Once again, a comprehensive program with European Union and I.M.F. support might make this the least worse option.”



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Conjoly: Irish people who oppose unlimited Mass Immigration are not "oddballs". All public opinion surveys show that this is the majority view (usually about 70%). Are you completely oblivious of all those data? If, as appears, you support the crazy Fianna Fail policy of unlimited immigration, then it is you who is the oddball and in a minority.
Ratslayer, I wouldn't extrapolate the supposition that Irish people blame immigrants for the crisis from the fact that a few oddballs put negative comments about immigrants against almost every article on Irishcentral.com - methinks they have a particular axe to grind
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Ratslayer: You're quite wrong. We are not "blaming immigrants". What you say is senseless. The Fianna Fail party that brought us to ruin is the same Fianna Fail party that settled the country with vast numbers of foreign immigrants. We don't blame the immigrants for coming, it's the fault of the government which recruited them. But now Irish workers are faced with paying vast sums in welfare, free education for the immigrants' children, hospitalization etc.
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Come on Ireland, you can do much better than this. Stop blaming immigrants. Such a cop out. It's the nation's pols and elites who should be the targets of yer fury. Ireland needs real leadership and a Marshall Plan to develop new industries, etc. Farming, tourism and tax breaks for US multinationals is not enough.
Monsoonman: A similar thing is happening in Ireland. The ruling Fianna Fail party know that all studies show that immigrants, especially those who were illegal but subsequently receive permission to stay, invariably are grateful to the political party in power at the time they were allowed into the country.
What is on deck for the Machiavelli/democrat party in America is to grant amnesty and citizenship to the approximately 15 million illegals here. This of course will give them a rock solid majority in their voting base as the newly minted "citizens" will vote entitlement programs/democrat....Because there is no compassion behind the move, it is purely for power at the countrys expense.
GeorgeDillon is exactly right. Ireland is ranked number 2 in the world in welfare. That is not a title I think I would want. they need to end all of their massive entitlement programs, and stop giving Irish taxmoney to foreign immigrants who choose to live off the dole. The Dáil Éireann needs to be totally cleaned out and restocked.
Ireland's greatest folly--or more accurately, the greatest folly of the Irish government, since the majority of the people never supported it--was to import huge numbers of foreigners from throughout the world. If you walk thru downtown Dublin you meet throngs of Russians, Romanians, Africans, Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis etc. etc. Now many of these are on welfare and a huge drain on those few Irish who still have a job.
Very sad that the world economy rests so heavily on the US economy, and the Chinese, Japanese and Indian economies. That's how it is - the big brains need to come up with some solutions and while their at it, maybe the thieving politicians could be held accountable for all the money they steal out of these economies.
Leaving the euro zone would hurt Ireland (or any other euro-country) infinitely more than the countries remaining in the euro zone. It may provide a relieve in the short term by being able to devaluing the punt and promoting exports. But it will hurt as the bill for imported raw materials will go up and the euro denominated foreign debt will weigh heavily on the budget. It's an illusion that any euro country will gain in the long term by leaving the currency zone.
Isn't this the sort of nonsense that we have been hearing for years from British economists about the Irish economy? Apparently all the companies that set up in Ireland and all the jobs they created were a "mirage" according to these two economists. I guess that all the Irish people that these companies hired were just imagining that they were going to work. These two economists probably believe that the solution to Ireland's economic problems is to rejoin the United Kingdom. Why would anyone in their right minds take the views of British economists seriously when it comes to the Irish economy?
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Gee, great.
Let's pray this year's potato crop doesn't fail.
Oh and the public employee unions do so much for broken economies, like Spain. Air traffic controllers get 350K per year, plus bennies...Nice gig if someone else is paying for it.
What we are witnessing is the natural course of democracies. Most democratic countries reached the economic tipping point years ago by letting the non contributing ones vote themselves raises, perks and goodies, saddling the private sector with unsustainable debt/taxes in order to pay for those benefits. They organized their votes in order to stay in power calling themselves liberals/progressives/democrats. Well the chickens have come home to roost. Demonstrations in the streets by government workers angered because their countries are broke and cannot afford to let them retire at 50 on full salaries anymore.
The so called Irish Economy went down the toilet years ago in 1997 when the stupid lost the European funds. When they lost the European funds the Irish Pound (Punt) went from £1.08p Sterling to £0.62p. The stupid in Dail Eireann had twice as much money going out of the country and half as much coming. Instead of tacking pay cuts at the time the scum of Ireland went stealing from Social Welfare Recipients and nobody gets protection by law. Irish Politicians have been committing multiple crimes against humanity to hide their economic mistakes.
 


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