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Villa Spada in Rome
Ireland's Embassy to the Holy See since 1946
{picture from DFA.ie}

Last week the Irish government announced that it is going to close its embassy to the Holy See. Despite what everyone believes, the government claims that the embassy's closure has nothing to do with the souring of relations between the Vatican and the Irish government over scandals in the Catholic Church in Ireland. In fact, Taoiseach (Prime Minister) Enda Kenny "reacted angrily" to the suggestion that the closure was due to anything other than budgetary constraints.

That Kenny and Tánaiste (Deputy PM) Eamonn Gilmore are willing to claim that the closing of Ireland's embassy to the Holy See is due to the need for the state to make savings says more about their cowardice than it does about the state of Ireland's finances. This decision is transparently NOT about saving money.

The Irish government will save €1.2m ($1.65m) with the closing of the embassy. While that's a lot of money to the average Joe, that's not a whole lot of money for a state, even a bankrupt state like Ireland.

Sure the government has to cut back and, yes, Gilmore's Department of Foreign Affairs has to do its share, but it doesn't take long to realize that there are inconsistencies in this tale of budget cuts that make a nonsense of the government's tale.

Start with the building itself.

Ireland's embassy to Italy
{picture from Google.com}

The Irish embassy to the Holy See is in a beautiful building, the Villa Spada {see photo above}, in a beautiful setting on the top of the Gianicolo. Selling that would probably net the government a fair amount, but they're not selling it. No, they're moving Ireland's embassy to Italy from its cheap, rented accommodation {see photo left}into the Villa Spada. If they were serious about saving money they would not give up those cars-parked-in-the-doorway, paint-peeling-off-the-walls offices for a perfectly maintained hilltop Roman villa.

Then there is the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) budget.

This same government department that decided it cannot afford the $1.65m for the embassy at the Vatican is still spending over €400m ($550m) on "Official Development Assistance" or foreign aid. Okay, yes, of course we can't simply cut all foreign aid to poorer countries simply because, well, we're bankrupt. We may be bankrupt, but the people in those poor countries who are dependent on our aid still need to be helped, even if it adds a dollar or two or half a billion to our debt mountain.

Fair enough because those countries are really poor. Right?

Well, if they're really poor and need our aid how come countries like Ethiopia, Malawi, Mozambique, South Africa, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia and Zimbabwe are all able to afford an embassy to the Holy See in Rome when we cannot afford the same? After all, those countries are receiving aid from us, yet somehow they can afford that which we can no longer afford. Will the DFA cut off aid to countries rich enough to afford a Vatican embassy? Of course they won't because the cost of a Vatican embassy is not worth worrying about. If it was only about the money we could probably share office space and administration costs with the Malawians.{Here's a great map of the world showing which countries have diplomatic relations with the Vatican and a resident mission, which is what Ireland is closing.}
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No, it was never about the money. That is a fib they're peddling because they're worried about alienating the still fairly sizable minority here who take their Catholicism seriously. At the same time they want the kudos for taking a populist stand, for confronting the Catholic Church over its mishandling of its many scandals.

How gutless. How wimpy. If they want to make a statement on the Catholic Church in Ireland then make the statement and stand over it. They should take the flak.

They didn't. They used prevarication and obfuscation in an attempt to hide the truth from those 'knuckle-dragging' voters who still go to Mass on a Sunday. It didn't work. Now those same voters feel that the government insulted their faith and their intelligence.

This is what angered Kenny. Everyone saw through the official twaddle to the essence of what was happening. Even those Kenny and Gilmore probably assumed would support them conceded that cost was only a smokescreen. The Irish Times admitted it in the first sentence of its editorial. The Irish Examiner said that by its decision the government "has essentially thumbed its nose at the Vatican."

The Examiner then went even further noting that the Catholic Church's tremendous influence across the globe. This is why the United States has full diplomatic relations with the Holy See. "The U.S.-Holy See relationship is best characterized as an active global partnership on a wide range of global issues."

Mary Kenny in the Irish Independent noted that the list of countries with full representation at the Vatican includes many non-Catholic, even non-Christian countries. Thanks to this decision Ireland will now be "a less important link in the globalized network connected to the Holy See."

This is what diplomatic relations are all about. Even when you are in dispute with another state you try to maintain diplomatic relations. Closing the embassy in a fit of pique is short-sighted. Lying about it is stupid.




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abhainn,

"... morally unworthy of a diplomatic mission?"

Which foreign states do you include in the list of "morally worthy of a diplomatic mission?" That's not what a diplomatic mission is all about, unless you only want embassies where you really don't need them.
CbradyM104

It's cowardly because their reason for closing the embassy was that it was too costly. That's bunk, as I've laid out above. Close it if you want, but stand up for your reasoning. Don't insult the Irish people with nonsense.
Good riddance to the embassy in the Vatican. These people are morally unworthy of a diplomatic mission.
Why is it cowardly?
jacersagain

I had made up my mind that I wasn't going to leave any more comments because I couldn't see that there was anything that I hadn't said. However, you've changed my mind.

First of all, thanks for having my back. And, yes, I live in Wicklow.

I don't think those who denigrate what I've written or indeed, denigrate me, are necessarily anti-Catholic or ignorant. They disagree with me and with you on this matter. There may be other matters on which you and I would disagree, but you or I might agree with one of the other commenters here. So long as we keep it civil - and especially non-libelous - I'm happy to engage as I can.

I am Catholic, but I wouldn't want anyone to think I "eat the floorboards of the Church" as my mother-in-law would put it. In fact, I would never engage anyone on points of theology because, well, I'd be found wanting pretty quickly. I'm much more comfortable with politics.

As a Catholic I sometimes wonder about aspects of the Church that I really find hard to understand, especially how bishops didn't understand how a parent would feel about someone who abused their child. I'm not sure anything could make me feel more murderous than that, yet bishops here and in America and elsewhere treated it as if it was not much more than a breaking of vows. I'm not sure I'll ever understand that. Also, I wonder if the Catholic Church wouldn't be better off without all those trappings of statehood. I don't know all the ins and outs of it, but in my ignorance I wonder about it.

Lastly, if I were anti-Catholic I'd feel insulted by Kenny & Gilmore. They're looking for my applause & support for doing what I want done, but they lie about the reason for doing it? A one handed clap from me is all they'd get.
I wholeheartedly endorse what The Yank has written above, especially in these extracts: “...No, it was never about the money. That is a fib they're peddling...”... “How gutless. How wimpy. ... They should take the flak.” ... “...those same voters feel that the government insulted their faith and their intelligence.”... “Closing the embassy in a fit of pique is short-sighted. Lying about it is stupid.” Then John brilliantly tops it all off, pointing to the millions of euro contributions Irish taxpayers make to destitute African countries who will continue to maintain embassies to the Vatican while our Irish Govt lies in our faces saying it can’t afford to. Correct on all points I say John, thank you for writing this article for all to see the truth. Those who denigrate the Yank’s article are either anti-Catholic or ignorant of the significance and likely future consequences of the Govt’s decision. It’s a colossal mistake. If Greece can change its mind about a referendum within 24 hrs, then this Govt should also rescind this blindingly stupid decision immediately.
ChrisVogel (Nov 8th) shows he doesn’t know his way around Irish Central’s site. If he looked under blogs, he’d see The Yank is one Mr. John Fay, who is an American living somewhere South of Dublin City (or possibly “over the border” in Wicklow!) He is one of my favourites on IC. John has told us in previous blogs that he is an American-born Catholic who came to Dublin to study and ended up living here. He writes on many subjects that are topical in Ireland but very rarely on Catholic issues... his article above is hugely topical in Ireland these days and says clearly what the majority of us Irish Catholics think.
I say rent it to Silvio for pay per view Bunga Bunga parties.
Yank, if Ireland were getting more out of its diplomatic ties with the Vatican than it puts into dealing with the Vatican, I might agree with your last point. But in recent years, decades, Church-State relations have been a losing proposition for Ireland. As Newrone points out, the other impoverished nations that maintain embassies at the Vatican are doubtless getting a return on their investments. Thanks for your reply.
I guess you need the odd senseless rant about nothing on here from time to time to make the others look good.

What on Earth is the purpose of an embassy at the Vatican anyway? I don't remember the last time an Irish citizen got arrested by the ruthless Vatican police force or kidnapped by Vatican-based terrorists. Otherwise, is there any obvious reason why the embassy to Italy cannot do the job?

For example, our Andorran representation is handled from our Spanish embassy in Madrid and Liechtenstein representation from our Swiss embassy in Berne, as is our Algerian representation!

As for the Malawi/Zimbabwe/etc. representation, it's up to them but I would imagine they get more out of it from the Vatican than they invest themselves. Ireland is losing from it - and a lot more than just money.
Still fuming! Cowards and knuckledraggers. Indeed. From someone whose had the benefit of coming from the country whose founding fathers understood the absolute crucial importance of seperation of church and state, a country that has by that very fact inspired the global politic of the world for two centuries..You have some cheek!
eiriamach,

I want to thank you for actually addressing what I wrote. I can't say I'm an expert on the Roman property market, but saying we're going to hold onto that property to sell when the price is higher is simply gambling. There is no guarantee the price will rise. It could fall further - especially if the euro crumbles.

If Ireland had simply recalled our Ambassador to the Vatican and left the position open to match their move that would have been fair enough. Why close the embassy?

You say no reason I give holds up. Then you say, "It's not more important to keep an embassy open than to help victims of famine, epidemics, natural disasters." Well, if those countries are suffering famines or epidemics or natural disasters why are they paying to keep a full embassy open at the Vatican? Why can we not afford what they can?
thesavagirish,

You say if a country "is still having pay out a couple of billion ... to it's abused citizenry due to the actions of deviants subject to and under the authority of a foreign power ..."

That's just it. They were NOT subject to and under the authority of a foreign power. They were under the authority of the Irish government. The Irish government CHOSE to allow the bishops be the law enforcers when it came to the priest, brothers and nuns. It didn't have to be that way. They allowed that situation to develop. Heck, they actively encouraged it. Following independence Irish nationalism and Catholicism were ONE. Those two were merged into one driving ideology that ruled this state for the first, what?, 50 yrs after independence?

Now we're having the (inevitable?) split and the state is dumping the blame on the church and the church is dumping the monetary costs on the state.

None of that justifies closing the embassy. All that justifies closing the embassy is the balance of utility for the state. Does the state gain or lose by having an embassy at the Vatican? Even Muslim states see a benefit, but we don't. I'm not sure I accept that calculation. I definitely don't accept the calculation based solely on cost when states we're subventing spend OUR money on their Vatican embassies.
Basic math Yank. If a country is tantamount to broke and is still having to pay out a couple of billion (legitimate and paltry given the extent of the crimes) to it's abused citizenry due to the actions of deviants subject to and under the authority of a foreign power then yes! such a settlement, still yet obfuscated,delayed and unresolved, does of course contribute to the ongoing indebtedness of the nation. As you say, 'It has everything to do with incompetence, corruption and malfeasance' and don't forget the big dollop of arrogance, cynicism and self righteousness thrown in. In order to pay their half of the bill they've increased the collections roster and are out with the begging bowl to the same people who paid the first half. The sheer brass of such a cynical and weasly action beggars belief. As to your, "Both the church and the state need to clean house and begin the process of renewal", pshaw!. Renewal? What is that? Latin for forget about the fact we abused hundreds of your children, that we want your irish women to go back to being 'churched' after they give birth since they are obviously sinners, that the women is always in transgression but never the man, they even got rid of Limbo lately so god knows what they did with the billions of 'unsaved' infants they've been collecting. Renewal means shut up,bow down, forgive our trespasses and fill that plate with money, all while hiding behind the anonymity of 'the office'. Not buying it Father Yank. The state has begun to clean its house and begin its process of renewal, starting with the removal of some obvious shackles. The church (not the vatican) is in perpetual renewal and should it remain relevant in the coming age that renewal will happen in Ireland with a native local celtic irish christianity that is older than the far off boardrooms of Rome and Constantinople. It is said we taught them how to read, perhaps now we can teach them to remember.
Thanks Rebelforce for pointing out that the irish people still hold to the tenets of their belief that the hungry should be fed, the naked clothed and the sick offered comfort. Would a billion dollars help? Yes. But the fact that the people who would rather see the funds directed to christian charity have in the last few years already paid the equivalent of a thousand years of rent for a building in Rome which no doubt can be construed as something of an irish joke. It would almost be funny if....no. It's not funny at all.
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