Carping over Osama's death - you've gotta laugh
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It took longer than I expected, but the hand-wringing, breast-beating, someone-ran-over-my-puppy whining about the manner of Osama bin Laden's death has really kicked in over the last 36 hours. I was waiting for it all day Monday. When I hadn't heard much I thought that perhaps the people of Ireland were so enamored of Barack Obama that somehow the 'usual suspects' would feel compelled to shut up about poor 'ol Osama meeting his untimely demise. I'm certain that if bin Laden's killing had happened under President Bush the "discomforted" would have taken to the airwaves instantly and been firing off op-ed pieces and letters to the Irish Times before bin Laden had had time to make friends with the fishes.
So there was a pause, but since yesterday morning the Irish Times letters page has been chock full of head-shaking tut-tutting about the "extra-judicial assassination" of bin Laden. Cry me a river.
Oh, and it's not just the letters to the editor either. High-profile political television programs, call-in radio shows, political cartoons {see above} and a number of newspaper columns have provided plenty of space for the "disquiet" to be expressed.
From what I can make out these people are scandalized that "the Americans" failed to politely ask Pakistan for permission to search Osama's compound, failed to get an internationally approved search warrant, sent armed men in to capture Osama and failed to acknowledge when he said, "Okay, copper you got me fair and square" all under the watchful gaze of President Obama.
And, yes, they're scandalized by "the Americans", but they're actually horrified that this has happened under President Obama and not the previous occupant of the White House. I get the feeling their little dreamworld is collapsing around them as they digest the image of the President sitting, watching as Osama bin Laden is killed, rather than captured, under the President's orders. Oh, and nobody should have been in any way happy to learn that Osama was dead. Oh no.
There are some Americans here - those who didn't like President Bush and who moved here since, say, 2004 - who are only now realizing it wasn't just Bush that this vociferous group disliked. They don't like the United States of America.
Actually, that's not quite fair. They don't dislike America, but the America they like doesn't exist, has never existed and will never exist. The America they like is one where 300m Americans never vote for a government that would act in the nation's own self interest.
As for me, I find this stuff amusing. I don't get angry, but there was a time when I did. I got angry back in the fall of 2001, but really I'd heard a lot of the same stuff during the 90s and when the rawness of September 11 wore off I was able to ignore it and laugh at it again.
Don't get me wrong. If you let them, these people will get under your skin. You have to ignore them or listen to them as if they're a bunch of 17-year-olds discussing the meaning of life in hushed, serious tones. You know they mean what they say, but you really just want to laugh in their faces.
By no means do these moaners don't represent a majority view among Irish people. I'd probably venture that not even a sizable minority are at all worried by the fact that Osama is no more.
The cry-babies are not a completely insignificant number of people either, though. What's really annoying is that they always seem to end up on the radio, on the television and in the newspapers. They create the effect of seeming to be everywhere, of their views being widely held.
What really has me curious right now is whether the usual rent-a-mob protesters will take their cue and be out in force protesting over the upcoming visit of President Obama. Will they wave placards denouncing him as a war criminal? Will they demand his arrest? As of now, I kind of doubt it.
It was one thing to oppose President Bush, but it will be another to be so vocal in opposition to President Obama, who is very popular here. If they're going to be consistent, however, they can't just moan today and let it lie in 18 days time. They have to be out there on May 23rd opposing President Obama's visit. If they are it will look bad if they're shown in any American news clips, but in a way I hope they are out there making a scene. It will be a really good chuckle.
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seagreen | May 10, 2011, 12:00 PM EDT
I need to take some aspirin ! I actually agree with some of the statements on this thread
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bullsballs | May 10, 2011, 11:55 AM EDT
when the leaders ignore the law, then, there is no law.
the society that allows those leaders to ignore the law are responsible for the actions of their leaders.
and that is why Islam is attacking those societies.
it is too convenient that obl was killed, then buried at sea. he was a criminal, and should have been treated as a criminal. he then should be shown paying for his crimes and placed on world wide display proving he paid for his crimes.
if obl isn't dead, but captive, isn't obama guilty of worse crimes?
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derrymarch | May 10, 2011, 11:52 AM EDT
Without America, we'd never have gotten rid of Hitler or of the 9/11 monster! Thank you again, beloved U.S.A.!
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LawrenceC | May 10, 2011, 10:53 AM EDT
Right on, Monsoonman and The Yank. Query: All those who hereinafter respond, assume bin Laden is in capativity, provide your estimate of how many hostages, American or citizens of other Western countries, will be taken month after month with the threat that said hostages will be killed unless OBL is freed.
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seanomelbourne | May 09, 2011, 07:04 PM EDT
Flexible rules are rules you make up on the run.I never stated that the U.S. was a tyranny we are talking on a specific act the taking down of UBL. You appear to be defending the indefensible(my opinion)and withdrawing into that favoured place of some Americans "everybody is agin us".
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RedBranch | May 09, 2011, 01:31 PM EDT
OK Yank you want to see and hear something unusual, make your way to Bowdenstown on 14 June, probably around mid afternoon(and I trust you will be able to find it on your second attempt). There you will witness a concentration of views which I believe you will find noteworthy. I for one would be very interested to hear your perception of the proceedings.
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TheYank | May 09, 2011, 10:06 AM EDT
seanomelbourne,
I thought the central theme of your argument was that America was becoming a tyranny. I answered that although it's a laughable suggestion.
Actually, it's arguments like this that deter Americans from wanting anything to do with your ICC. Although I don't expect anyone to serve a writ on Pres Obama while he's in Europe for violating Osama's "civil rights" I won't be shocked if it happens either.
And stop with your Nuremberg comparison. If the war against Islamic fascism were to be waged like WWII, then the US and allies would first pulverize the towns & cities of the Middle East & Central Asia with the most powerful weapons available to ensure all civil society breaks down, all the while imprisoning millions of men.
Next go door to door collecting all weapons and anything that can be used as a weapon.
Next devise a reeducation program that will democratize and de-islamicize the region. (Denazification is the model, right?)
Then, when all of that is done, stage trials of the leaders where the verdict & even sentences (in many cases) are known in advance.
Then gradually rebuild society and release those men you hold captive, while remaining as a dominant occupying force, monopolizing all means of waging war.
Is that what the United States should be doing instead of running search & destroy missions on the leader of an as yet unbeaten foe?
I thought the central theme of your argument was that America was becoming a tyranny. I answered that although it's a laughable suggestion.
Actually, it's arguments like this that deter Americans from wanting anything to do with your ICC. Although I don't expect anyone to serve a writ on Pres Obama while he's in Europe for violating Osama's "civil rights" I won't be shocked if it happens either.
And stop with your Nuremberg comparison. If the war against Islamic fascism were to be waged like WWII, then the US and allies would first pulverize the towns & cities of the Middle East & Central Asia with the most powerful weapons available to ensure all civil society breaks down, all the while imprisoning millions of men.
Next go door to door collecting all weapons and anything that can be used as a weapon.
Next devise a reeducation program that will democratize and de-islamicize the region. (Denazification is the model, right?)
Then, when all of that is done, stage trials of the leaders where the verdict & even sentences (in many cases) are known in advance.
Then gradually rebuild society and release those men you hold captive, while remaining as a dominant occupying force, monopolizing all means of waging war.
Is that what the United States should be doing instead of running search & destroy missions on the leader of an as yet unbeaten foe?
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DennisQ | May 08, 2011, 01:23 AM EDT
Nixon must be chuckling in his grave about all the Democrats endorsing the principle that the end justifies the means. He's the president who ordered the bombing of crowded cities in North Vietnam on the theory that this would bring about "peace with honor."
Nixon also created the "plumber's unit" - a group of secret operatives charged with plugging leaks of government secrets. They later broke into Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office in the Watergate building in hopes of finding something damaging to Ellsberg's reputation. "I am not a crook," Nixon boasted.
Today's special forces troops are well versed in assassination tactics. In and out quickly, they shoot first and don't bother with questions. They even used trained dogs.
Like Nixon was before him, President Obama is gifted with the ability to discern the greater good. Congratulating the team of assassins, Obama remarked, "Justice was served." Indeed, as the equally insightful Ajreaper has pointed out, "Democracy has survived far worse."
Nixon also created the "plumber's unit" - a group of secret operatives charged with plugging leaks of government secrets. They later broke into Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office in the Watergate building in hopes of finding something damaging to Ellsberg's reputation. "I am not a crook," Nixon boasted.
Today's special forces troops are well versed in assassination tactics. In and out quickly, they shoot first and don't bother with questions. They even used trained dogs.
Like Nixon was before him, President Obama is gifted with the ability to discern the greater good. Congratulating the team of assassins, Obama remarked, "Justice was served." Indeed, as the equally insightful Ajreaper has pointed out, "Democracy has survived far worse."
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seanomelbourne | May 07, 2011, 02:34 AM EDT
Your entitled to your feeble opinion.
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Ajreaper | May 07, 2011, 12:55 AM EDT
Good Lord democracy has survived far worse then us taking out Osama- take a look at our history and tell me something like this is some huge tipping point for democracy and I'll tell you both you don't have a clue about much of anything.
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seanomelbourne | May 06, 2011, 09:28 PM EDT
No one is listening DennisQ Some people do not understand that to act like the terrorist puts the democratic system at risk.
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seanomelbourne | May 06, 2011, 07:55 PM EDT
The yank!! I noticed you never attacked the central theme of my argument. You prefer to use emotive speech "chest thumping" to misrepresent what I said.The misinformation from the WH in the UBL affair leads me to believe he died in a hail of bulls--t
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DennisQ | May 06, 2011, 05:50 PM EDT
Don't mean to interrupt your laughter, Ajreaper, but have you bothered to think about accountability? The next time a politician dispatches a hit squad, does he have to tell us about it? Does he have to tell anybody?
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Ajreaper | May 06, 2011, 04:13 PM EDT
Well there's a ton of hogwash for us all Dennis- thanks for the laugh.
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