Hi Speed rail too expensive? Let the Irish build it
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Hi Speed Rail costs are getting to be astronomical.
California's estimated costs to build a high speed rail system between Los Angeles and the San Francisco bay area have now risen to 100 billion dollars. Original estimates presented to voters just three years ago pegged the price at a measly 43 billion.
Today's estimated price has more than doubled in just three years and from experience this won't be the last time that estimate and/or final price tag more than doubles, especially when you consider the project is mapped out to take 20 years to build. Just using the model of every 3 years the price doubles, you get into US National debt territory.
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-------------------- Of course in order to build this project you will see every special interest that can walk crawl or run, hitch a ride on this gravy train. Experience shows when the stars align like this, under the banner of a "noble cause" nothing can rival the expense and cost overruns when everyone has finally given the OK and climbed aboard the "piece train".
A good example was when the earthquake damaged portion of freeway in Oakland California had to be replaced. It took nearly a decade to build a three mile stretch of freeway at the cost of 1.2 billion. At the time it was called the most expensive stretch of road in the history of mankind and probably still is.
These same forces are pushing the high speed rail project.
Looking in the historic context of railroad building, nothing could rival what occurred in America in the 1860's, when east and west were connected by a transcontinental railroad. These tracks made their way through the harshest conditions imaginable wending through the Sierra Nevada Mountain range and the stark rugged lands of Nebraska and Utah. Almost 1,800 miles of railway built in six years.
The substantial amount of work on this project was by the new Irish immigrants/Civil War veterans who constructed the eastern portion of the track and by Chinese immigrants who worked on the line from the west.
The government sold bonds to help finance the project, but also gave the railroad builders land rights and right of way along the routes that would be extremely valuable after the rail system was complete. New towns sprung up along the route and brought hundreds of thousands of new immigrants to settle along the new thoroughfare.
As the rail line was built, a new system of communication was installed next to the tracks, the telegraph line, which connected east and west instantaneously with information and news of events in the land.
The railroads not only carried passengers, but carried manufactured goods from the east coast and sent back raw materials and goods from the west. The dangerous trip across country which used to take months, now took just days and cost about 65.00.
But back in those days, there wasn't an EPA, Department of Interior, teams of environmental organizations armed with lawyers, or any organized groups opposing progress...Unless you counted the displaced Native American tribes, who got swept aside by the call of manifest destiny. These tribes of people were not happy with the westward progress that aimed directly at them. They referred to the new steam locomotives as "iron horses". Guns were called "fire arms", whiskey was called "fire water" and the covered wagons that brought settlers to their lands were named "God dams".
But nothing could stand in the way of this expansion. It showed when the nation pulls together and there is a will to get things done, great things can be accomplished.
The same spirit of "can do" is lying dormant right now as evidenced by the red tape and "molasses in winter" speed in which this high speed rail project is being formulated. So from the perspective of cost effectiveness and the 20/20 hindsight that history gives, I nominate the Irish and Chinese to take charge of this endeavor. My guess it will be built under budget and come in way ahead of schedule.
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MatthewJshow | Dec 09, 2011, 09:57 AM EST
Great article. The benefits of rail cannot be underestimated and should be a no-brainer for the U.S. The Las Vegas Xpress to California is moving forward. U.S. politicians have only to look how high-speed rail performed in Europe during the volcanic eruptions last year. Rail systems absorbed the extra passenger load, when the airlines were grounded. The benefits of having a vast network of high-speed rail travel would be immense. I devoted a whole show to this very important topic a few months back.
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seanomelbourne | Dec 09, 2011, 05:17 AM EST
2Bornot2b!! does'nt know if he's coming or going I suggest he takes a train to nowhere.Chr..st what a tragic.
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newnation | Dec 08, 2011, 08:58 PM EST
umm delicious profit, what would we do without it?
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EdinCali | Dec 08, 2011, 08:33 PM EST
From reader, 2Bornot2B. He's having a problem posting so he sent this to me: Having lived in Europe and on the East Coast I totally agree that Hi Speed Rail is unequaled for convenience, economy, and speed getting to any destination. -- Having bought houses in Paris and NY, I found the preferred locations were those close to train stations and, consequently, prices next to them were considerably higher. -- However the US is a different case. People refuse to park their cars, unless it’s on the freeway. - I also own a house in the city that had the 2000 Winter Olympics [for which a rail system was hurriedly built], and other than during those Winter Olympic times, all I see now is empty cars rolling up and down the rails, except for rush hours.
Further, while living in SoCal, I also recall the ruckus caused by stupid angry people who felt they'd be affected by noise and threat of eminent domain, when DOT was trying to revive the 'Coaster,' running from LA to San Diego. Given the perennial parking lot state of the 5, 405, 605, 710, etc. I saw those fighting the train as retrogrades! -- Now, I also have a home in NorCal and would want nothing better than to see an efficient rapid transit from where I live into SFO. Unfortunately, CA at this time is a financial nut-case, almost the foyer to hell, except for the fantastic weather. And we owe it all to the UNIONS who have turned this place and 'we the taxpayers' into their own ATM, with the full connivance of the RATS, who don't care. So long as the money train between them, the career bureaucrat leeches in Scto., and the entitlement addicts who keep electing them keeps moving, the only rapid transit they'll allow to roll is be the gravy train they are riding..
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seanomelbourne | Dec 07, 2011, 05:41 PM EST
Informative article ED.
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Monsoonman | Dec 07, 2011, 04:42 PM EST
Thanks for that information Seagreen. Interesting all of the competing special interests that have to be placated or bought off in order to get anything accomplished. I did read that Panama Canal was making changes to accommodate the larger ships. Guess they can afford it since the Chinese own both ends of it.
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seagreen | Dec 07, 2011, 04:31 PM EST
A high speed rail system will not occur in this country. I ride trains "Empire Builder" from Chicago to Seattle, The "Southwest Chief" Los Angeles to Chicago. They are great trains, sleepers, great sitdown dining, showers, nice crews. The problem is that corporate interests namely the Burlington Northern,and Union Pacific and others, and also the airline lobby will not let it happen. They do not want passenger trains on their tracks, because they are hauling so much containerized freight for ocean shipping companies that any passenger service will interfere with their schedules and profit.
The freight that is being carried, origionates in places like Rotterdam,Holland, and is not even bound for the United States, it is more likely bound for China or Japan. The ships are too large to fit through the Panama Canal, and by shipping the containers across the US double stacked on trains, they can have their containers in Long Beach or Seattle in four days being loaded onto another company ship headed to Asia. This eliminates nine travel days. Huge Panama Canal transit costs, and fuel consumption of a 900 ft containership. 2 barrels a mile (84 gallons a mile) If you drive I-90 you will see this in action as the tracks do parrallel the highway in some areas. This is millions of tons. Sidings were proposed to let more traffic on the tracks, but was soundly defeated. When I asked the train crew why a country with over 300 million people only has one train running from Chicago to Seattle? the answer was ,no track space.
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