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How men are defined in modern Ireland

Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2012 at 08:14 AM

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You can't grow up in the north of Ireland without confronting the question of what it means to be a man. Sooner or later you're going to ask yourself, or more likely someone's going to tell you.

And it usually doesn't take long because the job description itself isn't long. Generally you'll be told if you're doing it right, or scolded if you're doing it wrong.

So it turns out the question that what it means to be a man is in fact so simple to answer that it's hardly worth talking about. Or at least that's what most people up North will tell you if you have the bad manners to actually ask them.

It's generally a good idea not to ask questions like that in the North. You'll get a reputation pretty quickly if you start, believe me.

And yet it's a perfectly good question. No questions are more worth asking than the ones we believe we have the answer to already. People change over time, and so do their answers, after all.

I have observed with a fair amount of consistency that Irish people teach the largest life lessons to their children through avoidance. The more important a topic is, the more likely it will be shrouded in dense silence. The more urgent a question the more likely it is to be indefinitely put off.

Eventually, if you're paying attention, you'll get the message that there are some conversations that are really too important to ever actually have. That'll shut you up, hopefully.

That's not to suggest that Irish people are cowardly or unsophisticated or timid in the face of the big questions. On the contrary, they’re among the most forthright people in the world.

They just like a bit of nuance, they like to take the edge of things, they're much more comfortable with a bit of ambiguity, in fact they welcome it.

Because there's more room to maneuver when things are various, isn't there? The hardest task you will ever set yourself is to get a room full of Irish people to agree.

Like most teenagers I was, if I’m honest, underwhelmed by the various examples of Irish role models I saw around me growing up. Not that they weren't decent men, taken individually, I suppose.

But it was hard for me to discover someone I wanted to emulate -- someone that I wanted to be, in fact.

In my daily life I was surrounded by schoolteachers, civil servants, county councilors, solicitors, general practitioners, publicans, clergy and so on. They all seemed to get on famously with each other.

They talked about sports and politics and the weather with an ease that was hard to miss. But were you to ask one of them about love or poetry or friendship or their feelings or philosophies they'd dissolve into shame faced silence.

That led to a great discovery -- if you want to clear the room of Irishmen just ask one of them how they feel.

Why is this? One of the first things I learned about Irishmen is how deeply they do actually feel things. So it puzzled me how tongue-tied they could become when asked to discuss something more consequential than the latest GAA results.

Over time I discovered that it's not the conversations they fear so much as what follows them. Feelings are one thing, but owning up to those feelings and then facing the consequences -- that's scary stuff.

So, thanks to all this silence, in Ireland being a man is defined mostly by what you’re not rather than what you are.

You’re not a soft touch, you’re not be too credulous, you’re not too easily taken in, you’re not too emotional, you don’t immediately say what you think and so on.

But it's a shame that we have allowed such a culture of silence to fall over what should be a perfectly natural debate. Because silence, if it goes on too long, can often be mistaken for shame.

Women are to blame for this omerta code too, it must be said. After all, if it made them truly uncomfortable, couldn’t they have done more to dislodge it?

The cradles of manhood are still our schools, both in Ireland and here in the U.S. They should probably be the last places.

But that’s where we first encounter society and its social codes. It’s where we generally find our first crushes, our first dance and all that goes with it too. It’s also where we allow young men who don’t fit the mold to be daily harassed and beaten.

We’ve been looking at a growing bullying crisis in our schools in Ireland and the U.S. for years now without taking action. Why?

Because we can see both the conversation and the consequences. Because some conversations are so important we simply refuse to have them. Because men are defined by what they’re not, not what they are.

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So that is what happened to you. You have problems Cahir! With those huge rocks on your shoulder you are not a happy man. Give me the Irish way any day. I have lived it, as well as mainland Europe, N. American and Aussie ways. Your writings sadly show confusion and discontent with life.
Cahir asks, "After all, if it made [women] truly uncomfortable, couldn’t they have done more to dislodge" male silence? Women and family life do much to dislodge it, as Ciaradexy says at 12:41 PM. Even to have an intimate heterosexual relationship that isn't just physically intimate, a woman must help a man discuss anxieties, self-image, family roles, etc. If that process doesn't carry over to his work life and social life with other males, blame our institutions, including religion. In my youth, in conversations with other women about our male intimate friends and lovers, we were sometimes surprised to find out how many of us had fallen, at some time, for men of two categories: gays or priests (back in those days, we believed the priests were celibate heterosexuals, and gay colleagues at work or school could not tell us their orientation). Why did we love them? Because these men had to confront and move beyond stereotypes and deal with being male in a world that rejected some part of their personalities. That's a liberating process that develops strength of character. Male gender stereotypes are huge obstacles to male-female intimacy. I'm sure men can complain of female stereotypes also, but consider: we can embrace each other in public; can men embrace each other in public without worrying about what people think? Most women have discarded the "feminine mystique"; many men have not yet begun to break down their gender stereotypes.
You know you've done well when even a pompous homophobe like IrelandNorth admits it. Oy. The only man in Europe who thinks that the gay rights struggle's only real dividend was in helping straight men address their own feelings. You can't make it up.
Good article, Cahir! But surely your insightful observations are not peculiar to Ireland (or men) alone. The master existential softwear programme (or cltural matrix) of any culture (American or Irish) is theological. Jews circumcise/genitally mutilate their young boys. Moslems likewise their young girls. Christians shame base/guilt-trip both sexes. Christian Orthodoxies are inherently sexually abusive theologies, as anyone puberty-ing anywhere in Ireland in the late 1960's will readily attest to. I agree. The world is a much safer place with less alpha-males and more omega males. The one positive divident of the homosexual (or pink) revolution was for hetero's to reconnect with their repressed emotions.
I agree with your views, Murph. I think these ladies want men to act like "girlie-men" as the Governator would say.
We shouldn't be talking about this. It's not manly.
Stay on the topic Murph! I have read many posts by Holla and she makes some wonderful articulate and witty points on many subjects.
More insults from the ignorant ciara-go back and read Holla... gurls early posts.But then again you know everything!
Murph, put down the crack pipe! This article is about how modern men are defined in Ireland not how you grew up in the US! Step away from the rocks!
First of all hoola..gurl you don't want to get into my sins on these coomments and ciraadexy i'll be a fool and a muppet just to prove my point.little people are bullies/little people call others names.Go ahead ,respond and call me more names cause we know what that makes you.
As usual two posts later holla...gurl won't answer the question but wants others to .As another friend of mine said on these comments holla... I've had enough of your codswallop!I'm not uncomfortable at all ,in fact on another comment (What Americans feel)I've just asked you all to my hooley!
What's Fighting Irish if not an out of date cultural label? You're chiding others for your own sins.
Fighting Irish? Would it surprise you to learn that to most people that stereotype is an embarrassment? Men are comfortable policing other people's genders but the get real uncomfortable when the spotlight falls on them.
Read two posts below that ciaradexy b4 you jump to conclusions,by the way I'm 65 and have raised a fine respectful family myself.Holla...made this about bullying-I have never met a bully that didn't call someone a name -a label,my point is stop the labeling and stop bullying.What part of that don't you and she understand!
''I was raised on mean streets-a real true fighting irish''! Murph, get up the yard ye fool! Im mortified to share the same name as you ye muppet! My dad is 60 this weekend and I can assure you he is not a man who hides his feelings. The men in my family are open,honest, loving, affectionate, caring and have brought up their kids to be the same. They have made sure their daughters were strong and independent and they have made sure their sons were gentlemen and respectful to women and who treat them as equals.




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