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Why has Ireland sunk so low repaying those we don’t owe?

I can't get my head around what's happening to us


Ireland's' Central Bank in Dublin
Ireland's' Central Bank in Dublin
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On Wednesday I left Shannon for New York for a few weeks. I left with mixed emotions and even now, a full day to think about it, I can't get my head around what's happening to us.

After the introduction of the euro at the turn of the last century, countries such as Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal, which heretofore had had their own vulnerable currencies and thus had paid a premium to borrow in the international money markets, suddenly found themselves with access to hundreds of billions of cheap money. They could borrow at the same rate as Germany and France, and they went to town.

In all those countries named above it was their governments went wild, borrowed and spent with reckless abandon; in Ireland it was our banks. Over €100bn they borrowed, billions which then went to fuel the property bubble which, when it burst, engulfed the entire economy, a massive inferno.

Faced with loans they now couldn't pay, one by one the major Irish banks foundered. In the normal course of commerce those who had given those loans to those Irish banks, those we have now come to know as the bank bondholders, would have taken a hit - in fact they expected to take a hit.

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But here is where my confusion begins. For over three years now, and counting, those of us who live and work in Ireland have been bailing out those bank bondholders. Over €70bn is the bank bonds debt total, money we don't have so will have to borrow at high interest, so that when the final bill is settled we won't be seeing any change from €100bn.

This is not our debt, was never our debt, but we're told that if we don't pay it the ECB - the European Central Bank - will pull the 100bn loan it's providing to our Central Banks to enable it to keep our banks solvent. Solvent for what - to pay off those bonds? Because even as they gouge their existing mortgage-holders for every cent they can, they certainly aren't loaning to business or to house-buyers. Take on a debt that isn't yours of €100bn, to enable you to borrow €100bn to pay off that same debt - this makes sense?

I'm not a jingoistic nationalist, I accept fully that I am who and what I am only by circumstance of birth. But it was a happy circumstance; I've always been proud of Ireland, always been proud of Irishness and what it means worldwide - humour, wit, intelligence, honour, strength, courage.


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Loyal Citizen hits the nail right on the head--Barristers , Solicitors and Some judges are as corrupt as they come. They honed their corruption skills during the Celtic Tiger period and now they are hooked on greed for more wealth. There are solicitors involved with NAMA who are so crooked they should be disbarred years ago. There's one in particular from Sligo in the west of Ireland who conned dozens of clients and is now making decisions for NAMA--national assetts management agency--- and the law society have not reined him in as yet because he has made millions and threatens to sue them. This is the reality of the Ireland we live in today---Corrupt to the Core !!!
I found the story to be 99% on spot as I remember my Dublin in the 50's.... Anyone got a ph# or email for Diarmuid O'Flynn? I'm at 951-264-7103
Of course we owe Mr Bondholder.Mr Bondholder gave us the money.Not to worry the money we are giving back is still been kept in the neighbourhood.You have to look at the big picture to see the reason why.Then when you see the big picture you will see an even bigger picture.Then it all becomes clear.The homeless and the winos all over Ireland will still be enjoying a grand Christmas dinner tomorrow.Now cast a thought to our distant cousins whom will be opening a few bags of scrumpy nut to go with their low grade rice Christmas day.Mr Bondholder has robbed and pillaged them of their hard work and natural resources too.Mr Bondholder lives very near us and gives most of us just enough to keep us happy and keep us in soap.It's only just to keep down the smell while he counts his money in peace.
Brother O'Flynn, fret not, unless on a guitar. Ireland's humor, wit, intelligence, honour, strength, and courage will constrain corruption. Enjoy your time in the States. On another day, we(the Irish people) will receive the bondholders' pardon, no?
The establishment in Ireland has found the perfect welfare system for themselves!! Brussels is the center of the world for them. Now we are at our weakest point, you are asking them to give up THEIR safety net, and save us! What?! Are you mad? They will go down to failure as the last government did, assured that they will be taken care of, just as the rulers of Greece and Italy and Portugal have been! It is nothing more complicated than that !
LoyalCitizen, agreed. It is the culture of corruption at the top that is the most insidious and destructive to the country. Where I grew up there was a profound feeling amongst ordinary people that the government in Dublin was a den of crooks - and if they were the big crooks, it was ok for them, the small fry, to be the little crooks. Honesty, decency and integrity do indeed start at the top.
@TomSwinford: The culture of corruption does need its little guy, but it is harder to identify. Those who are rich are easy to identify but harder to deal with in corrupt systems. It is really the big guys we need to deal with as a nation. The essence of the story is that the journalist is confused as to why we are paying of the bond holders, which feeds the corrupt systems. The poor never benefited from these debts so cannot be corrupt. It might be nice some day to get access to the proper accounts and identify the culprits with their off shore bank accounts.
LoyalCitizen, not to be argumentative - for your earlier post was on point - but corruption is not only about money, nor is it only about the rich - and when it is about money, it may involve small or large amounts. Growing up in Ireland, I saw it all up close, like the well-to-do local farmer who drove a big Mercedes and collected his dole every Thursday - and felt no shame about this. How was this so? Because the means inspector turned a blind eye, possibly for being rewarded for turning a blind eye, or perhaps because the old father had been a senior officer in the Old IRA and was receiving an IRA pension to complement his regular old age pension. This and many other kinds of low level corruption were commonplace, like offering a "small something" to get a son into the ESB or a daughter into the bank, or an under-age lad onto the dole. Local county counsellors accepted small somethings as a way of life in return for favors. T.D.s got bigger small somethings for bigger favors. At the highest level, politicians like Charlie Haughey (having entered politics as a man of modest mean)made millions. Corruption in Ireland was practiced at all levels though all did not benefit equally.
O'Flynn, you make sense. The Irish gov't was trying to ape the U.S. Bush-Obama bailout, which gave the American economy severe chill blaines, but such tactics could prove fatal to a smaller country. I hope the leaders remember that the louder a creditor yells, the more negotiating power the debtor has. A merry Chhristmas and a better 2012 to all.
Because Irish people are gullible stupid idiots who love the x-factor, who believe and tow the political and media line and are incapable of thinking for themselves. Irish people are scared shitless of the truth. Jim Corr is a bit extreme but he is on the ball on 70% of the stuff he talks about. Open your eyes and wake up. Its liberating, trust me.
We are bolting the stable after the horse has fled the die has been cast.As a young person you have choices you can stay there and be taxed to death if you are lucky enough to find a job or get the hell out of there.
@TomSwinford: Corruption is about money. By design only the rich can be corrupt. I see no point in the poor being corrupt with no monetary reward.....The Celtic Tiger was a charade for corruption.
LoyalCitizen, on this occasion I find myself in near total agreement with you, save for one item ... that the poor cannot be corrupt. Alas, they can - and why not if all they see in their daily lives is graft and corruption, oodles and gobs of red tape and "pull" designed to benefit some at the expense of others. I remember well, on a visit home years ago, asking my mother why we Irish are so tolerant of pervasive criminality in government at all levels. She said, "Ah, Tommy, long centuries under the English heel has left a touch of the slave in all of us - and because if we could do what these rogues are doing we'd be doing it too." I sincerely hoped she was wrong about this but looking back now on the collapse of the Celtic Tiger, the reckless greed and stupidity reached far down the food chain. Certainly, the greatest responsibility rests with those you so correctly identified.
I agree completely. I left Ireland almost ten years ago and I thank god for it now otherwise I would be screwed like everyone else there. I don't understand how the Irish people are letting this happen to them. Sometimes a little anarchy is called for. I was there for the nice treaty "vote" and still can't believe how we were told go back, vote again and vote yes. It disgusted me then and still annoys me now. All those years of fighting and wasted lives and now we roll over and hand the country over to germany? Why are people nt standing up for themselves, organizing protests and marches and looking for the right person to lead them out of this mess? It is scary to think of the possible future of Ireland.
intelligence, honour, strength, courage.........What part of Ireland do you live in.........Politicians corrupt....Judges corrupt....Barristers corrupt....Solicitors corrupt....Bankers corrupt....Civil Servants corrupt....the only people who cannot be corrupt are the poor......Ireland has far too many journalists who are as out of touch as they could possibly be.....Get yourself some skills and work out how opinions in law destroy things and then write the story.




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