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Virgin Mary will return to Ireland on fifth day of holy month, claims 'clairvoyant'

Basilica crew still cleaning up mess after Halloween 'sighting'

ANTOINETTE KELLY,

Irish Central.com

Published Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:04 AM

Updated Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 1:28 PM

Shrine: The Basilica at Knock where the original apparition of Our Lady took place in 1879

Irish spiritual healer Joe Coleman says the Virgin Mary spoke to him this weekend and revealed that she would appear at Knock on "the fifth day of the holy month."

Coleman, from Ballyfermot in Dublin, said the Virgin Mary had asked him not to relay this message immediately.

Coleman said that Our Lady said: “Thank you for responding to my call. I am so happy. I smile on this day, 31st October 2009, at my beloved Knock.

"I wish to thank all the people who came today to pray, to give thanks to my beloved father God the Almighty.

“ . . . I ask for conversion many times. I ask for peace. I ask for prayers every day for my son’s apostles . . . I will visit one day soon on the fifth day of the holy month. Peace be with you, my children.”

Another man, Keith Henderson said he had also received a message from the Blessed Virgin Mary: “I love all my children unconditionally with my immaculate heart, especially all my priests who are not listening to my call. I ask all my children to pray for my priests. Pray. Pray. Pray.”

Meanwhile, officials in Knock have launched a massive clean-up at the Marian Shrine to clear the piles of debris left behind by the 15,000 people who turned out at the weekend to see the predicted apparition of the Virgin Mary.

Shrine manager Pat Lavelle said he had to bring in industrial cleaners to clear the place up.

"The carpet around the altar was littered with food, soft drinks and crisps," he said.

"The whole church was a mess and the seating area will have to be rearranged," he added. "The shrine staff have redoubled efforts to do this."

And he said that he would be "reviewing" proposals to allow another gathering.

Lavelle also spoke out on national radio in Ireland saying that nothing had happened on Saturday.

"Nothing happened on October 11 and no apparition took place on Saturday last. All he (Joe Coleman) can rely on is get people to look at the sun."

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Posted by shanebyrne4380 on Mar 16, 2010, 10:35 PM EDT

just to say i wasnt in knock that day, but i did witness simmilar vision with the sun jumping about and changeing coulor , payed no attention realy till i read this texed not sure what day but ... strainge stuff ...

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Posted by Elizabeth26 on Mar 15, 2010, 09:58 PM EDT

It's a lovely shrine, but no one understands the message. One wonders if there is anyone in Ireland who does? There have to be at least a few - the Faith can't be completely gone! Saint Patrick, pray for us

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Posted by mollymcgee on Dec 30, 2009, 09:08 AM EST

PPLE so into mess making wthout conscience, not likely to see anything-anytime-too self centered!

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Posted by jacersisityourself on Nov 09, 2009, 05:26 PM EST

BTW 2B - I've had a great adventure visiting the known tombs or relics of the original Apostles. Just one left to visit... and maybe one more, if I can get confirmation it's in Serbia.

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Posted by jacersisityourself on Nov 09, 2009, 05:23 PM EST

The Assumption of Our Lady is celebrated by all Christians world-wide on August 15th (by the Gregorian calendar), said to be the time of her death as given by the Christians of Ephesus of that time. The place, where the little house is, is known as Meryemana; you can visit it either off a cruise ship calling into Kusadasi or on your holliers (Mass usually at 7.15am, before the hordes of Christian and Muslim tourists arrive by bus at 8am – I arranged a taxi to take me there in time for Mass. My taxi driver, a Muslim, was delighted to take me there, even showing me sacred things I wouldn’t have noticed. Mary is said to be the only woman mentioned in the Koran, so the wee house is a place of pilgrimage for both Muslims and Christians). You can also visit the tomb of St. John, not far from the house, at the earthquake-ruined Basilica of St. John. Asthmatic people who kneel over the grating over the tomb and who pray and then sniff the air of the tomb from between the rails have been said to be cured of their ailment. There’s nothing in the Bible about either Apostle John or BVM being asthmatic. It’s just a bit of Tradition. I don’t know what time it was in the Earth’s calendar back in the Ephesians time. But then again, I don’t know what the fifth day of Joe Coleman’s ‘Holy Month’ means either.

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Posted by jacersisityourself on Nov 09, 2009, 05:20 PM EST

There lives a sect of Christians in the Ephesus/Selchuk area today who claim to be descendants of Christians baptised by both Virgin Mary and Apostle John. There are two stories about Mary’s death – one holds she died in Jerusalem; the other (the one the locals hold) is that she died in Ephesus. Word got around that Mary was dying (some say she was 64 yrs old at the time) and many hurried to see her before she died. One person hurrying was the Apostle St Thomas. But Mary died two days before Thomas reached Ephesus and John and the locals had already wrapped and buried her in a cave near the wee house, so the local story goes. When Thomas arrived, he was distraught to hear Mary was dead and demanded to be taken immediately to the burial cave to visit and pray there. When John brought Thomas there, Mary’s body was gone. It was such a shock to all that the location of the cave was kept secret from (and since) then, lest it become a place of the fanatical attention demanded of her in Jerusalem. Since the Apostles witnessed the Ascension of the Lord to Heaven, they took the disappearance to mean Mary’s body was also assumed into Heaven by her God and Son. That’s the Ephesus story, still held to be true in the area by the local Christians. Isn’t that a nice bed-time story, now?

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Posted by jacersisityourself on Nov 09, 2009, 05:17 PM EST

On BVM’s Assumption, 2B is also right about a lack of any shrine in any location on earth to mark BVM’s place of actual death. I further write on what I heard on a visit to Ephesus, now in present-day Turkey. The local traditional story goes that John brought Mary away from a buzzing Jerusalem, alerted to claims that Jesus had risen from the dead, and the furore that that created, with attendant clamours by people to get to and be with His mother Mary. This was done after the Apostles decided who should go where and “Go tell everyone...” as Christ told them to. On the instructions of the other Apostles who recognised the responsibility given to John by Christ’s words on the Cross - “John, this is your Mother; Mother this is your son” - the two of them headed north, then west and ended up in the beautiful countryside hills around old Ephesus, where John built a small house in an isolated area for them to live in. (more...)

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Posted by jacersisityourself on Nov 09, 2009, 05:11 PM EST

Very interesting postings by 2BorNot2B; as a Catholic, I am faith- and honour-bound to accept the Church’s teaching regarding the Blessed Virgin Mary’s (BVM’s) Assumption (see later posts). As 2B also states, Tradition, or verbal-recounting, is as equally important as the Bible to us in our practice of the Faith – neither taking lead over the other. While 2B says that the Catholic Church was there from the beginning I think it’s important to point out that it was not recognised as such until the Credo (or I Believe) prayer was issued out of the Council of Nicaea around the 4th century AD (from which the prayer gets its name of Nicene Creed) – whereby the Church Fathers of the time came up with the word ‘catholic’ (note small letter ’c’) in the prayer (‘catholic’ in this sense means ‘wide-ranging’ and ‘all-embracing’). The Credo is said to have even been composed by the Apostles after Pentecost. Early Christian Churches were known by the name of the city or place where a specially holy person, called a bishop, led the Christians – and so you’d have the Church of Constantinople (Turkey), the Church of Alexandria (Egypt), the Church of Jerusalem (Palestine), the Church of Rome, and even the Church of Ireland after St. Patrick’s time etc – all of them bound together under the Nicene Creed. It was only after the split - the Great Schism - between the bishops of Rome and the eastern bishops over lingual and cultural interpretations of the Credo that the Roman Catholic Church came to be known by that name (as far as I know, and I stand to be corrected!) and the eastern churches became known as Eastern Orthodox. Both still use the Nicene Creed today but with minor variations (...more)

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Posted by 2BorNot2B on Nov 08, 2009, 09:31 PM EST

To close, it is a fact that in antiquity Saintly relics were highly prized ‘commodities’, from the beginning of the Church to the end of the Middle Ages. Cities and countries went to war over their possession and whoever had them could expect to reap enormous economic benefits by the building of shrines to honor them, and of pilgrimages the faithful took to those destinations. History is full of accounts of relics, from Peter’s to Mary Magdalene they were venerated all over the Christian world, however, there is not one single account of the existence of relics of Mary the mother of Jesus. For faithful Christians, possession of Mary’s relics would have been ‘the Mother of all relics’ yet not one single account exists of that, nor was the building of a Shrine was ever recorded in history. Why? Because everyone knew that Mary had been ‘assumed’ or taken to heaven body and soul by He who chose her. Period, end of story.

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Posted by 2BorNot2B on Nov 08, 2009, 09:30 PM EST

Continued from post below: c) Some of those who witnessed her passing were later writers of the New Testament, such as Peter, John, James, etc. Not a single one of them either talks about Mary's death nor of her place of burial. Everything that comes to us in that regard is part of the 'Tradition' or verbal re-counting of facts by the so called "Fathers of the Church" who were the bishops of the early Churches, and from the stories contained in the writings of non-canonical books such as the Didache -- d) It was the Catholic Church that discerned and put together the bible as we know it, because the CC was there from the very beginning, and that is a historical and verifiable fact. It was then the CC who preserved, taught and diffused the stories passed through generations, and through the writings of the witnesses to Mary's life and passing. Therefore, whatever protestantism claims as true, or tries to dismiss, has to be based, and relies on the telling of the Church that was there from the very start, and this was none other than the CC. -- Bottom line: neither does the bible assert that Mary died and was buried, nor does it attempt to disprove the fact, and therefore your comment on the fact that 'Mary waits in the grave' is UNBIBLICAL, irrelevant and just a personal opinion. Really, your objection could be considered mere prot contrarian 'tradition' with no validity, whereas the assertion that the C Church makes rests on almost 2000 years of study of historical facts, on writings of the 'Fathers', on verbal 'Tradition', on discernment. and finally on the consensus of hundreds, if not thousands of theologians...

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Posted by 2BorNot2B on Nov 08, 2009, 12:42 PM EST

Says Grandma Vicky **Mary died many years ago. There is no place in the bible that says she came back to life. I'm sure that she was a pure vessel for God to use, but she died like anyone else and awaits His return in the grave like the rest of the dead.** Grandma V, your comment implies that the claim Catholics make as to Mary's fate after her death is based on assumptions (pardon the pun). This is a common protestant tack which holds no water and, really, upon closer examination is not at all biblically justified either. -- Here's a bit of background for you on Marian history: Mary, the Mother of Jesus did in fact cease to live on this earth when her time was done, and the Catholic Church affirms as much, however, there is no mention in the bible of the fact that she died, is there? -- Neither is there any mention that she was buried, is there? -- So, in that sense, if you are going to demand absolute biblical veracity for whatever Catholics say, you'd have to admit that your claim is based as well on pure conjecture. -- The reason Caths have claimed for 2000 years that Mary was 'assumed to heaven' is based on several logical, verifiable and historical facts as follows: a) If Mary was chosen as you say, as "a pure vessel" to give birth the Son of God, then she had to be perfectly and completely sinless, otherwise the fruit of her womb would have been tainted by sin, since sin is of the devil. Jesus by logic then, would, at the time of inhabiting her womb, through that sin would have to have been subjected to the power of the devil, and that no Christian could ever believe or accept. b) If Mary was then made to be sinless, her body could not have suffered the corruption of the tomb, since bodily decay is the wage of sin. Hence the dogma of the Immaculate Conception that she was conceived without sin, which btw does not mean she WAS NOT conceived in the usual manner, but that is fodder for another discussion.-- Continues...

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Posted by Portia777 on Nov 06, 2009, 11:59 AM EST

People can see her anytime if their vibration is high enough.

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Posted by Sungold on Nov 06, 2009, 01:19 AM EST

We were taught that her glorified body was "assumed" into Heaven...hence the "Assumption". If so, she would not be in an earthly grave. Did you learn something different?

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Posted by GrandmaVicky on Nov 05, 2009, 04:22 PM EST

Mary died many years ago. There is no place in the bible that says she came back to life. I'm sure that she was a pure vessel for God to use, but she died like anyone else and awaits His return in the grave like the rest of the dead.

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