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Virgin Mary will return to Ireland on fifth day of holy month, claims 'clairvoyant'

Basilica crew still cleaning up mess after Halloween 'sighting'

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ANTOINETTE KELLY
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Published Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:04 AM
Updated Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 1:28 PM

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Shrine: The Basilica at Knock where the original apparition of Our Lady took place in 1879
Shrine: The Basilica at Knock where the original apparition of Our Lady took place in 1879

Irish spiritual healer Joe Coleman says the Virgin Mary spoke to him this weekend and revealed that she would appear at Knock on "the fifth day of the holy month."

Coleman, from Ballyfermot in Dublin, said the Virgin Mary had asked him not to relay this message immediately.

Coleman said that Our Lady said: “Thank you for responding to my call. I am so happy. I smile on this day, 31st October 2009, at my beloved Knock.

"I wish to thank all the people who came today to pray, to give thanks to my beloved father God the Almighty.

“ . . . I ask for conversion many times. I ask for peace. I ask for prayers every day for my son’s apostles . . . I will visit one day soon on the fifth day of the holy month. Peace be with you, my children.”

Another man, Keith Henderson said he had also received a message from the Blessed Virgin Mary: “I love all my children unconditionally with my immaculate heart, especially all my priests who are not listening to my call. I ask all my children to pray for my priests. Pray. Pray. Pray.”

Meanwhile, officials in Knock have launched a massive clean-up at the Marian Shrine to clear the piles of debris left behind by the 15,000 people who turned out at the weekend to see the predicted apparition of the Virgin Mary.

Shrine manager Pat Lavelle said he had to bring in industrial cleaners to clear the place up.

"The carpet around the altar was littered with food, soft drinks and crisps," he said.

"The whole church was a mess and the seating area will have to be rearranged," he added. "The shrine staff have redoubled efforts to do this."

And he said that he would be "reviewing" proposals to allow another gathering.

Lavelle also spoke out on national radio in Ireland saying that nothing had happened on Saturday.

"Nothing happened on October 11 and no apparition took place on Saturday last. All he (Joe Coleman) can rely on is get people to look at the sun."

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Posted by jacersisityourself on November 9,2009 | 02:26PM
BTW 2B - I've had a great adventure visiting the known tombs or relics of the original Apostles. Just one left to visit... and maybe one more, if I can get confirmation it's in Serbia.
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Posted by jacersisityourself on November 9,2009 | 02:23PM
The Assumption of Our Lady is celebrated by all Christians world-wide on August 15th (by the Gregorian calendar), said to be the time of her death as given by the Christians of Ephesus of that time. The place, where the little house is, is known as Meryemana; you can visit it either off a cruise ship calling into Kusadasi or on your holliers (Mass usually at 7.15am, before the hordes of Christian and Muslim tourists arrive by bus at 8am – I arranged a taxi to take me there in time for Mass. My taxi driver, a Muslim, was delighted to take me there, even showing me sacred things I wouldn’t have noticed. Mary is said to be the only woman mentioned in the Koran, so the wee house is a place of pilgrimage for both Muslims and Christians). You can also visit the tomb of St. John, not far from the house, at the earthquake-ruined Basilica of St. John. Asthmatic people who kneel over the grating over the tomb and who pray and then sniff the air of the tomb from between the rails have been said to be cured of their ailment. There’s nothing in the Bible about either Apostle John or BVM being asthmatic. It’s just a bit of Tradition. I don’t know what time it was in the Earth’s calendar back in the Ephesians time. But then again, I don’t know what the fifth day of Joe Coleman’s ‘Holy Month’ means either.
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Posted by jacersisityourself on November 9,2009 | 02:20PM
There lives a sect of Christians in the Ephesus/Selchuk area today who claim to be descendants of Christians baptised by both Virgin Mary and Apostle John. There are two stories about Mary’s death – one holds she died in Jerusalem; the other (the one the locals hold) is that she died in Ephesus. Word got around that Mary was dying (some say she was 64 yrs old at the time) and many hurried to see her before she died. One person hurrying was the Apostle St Thomas. But Mary died two days before Thomas reached Ephesus and John and the locals had already wrapped and buried her in a cave near the wee house, so the local story goes. When Thomas arrived, he was distraught to hear Mary was dead and demanded to be taken immediately to the burial cave to visit and pray there. When John brought Thomas there, Mary’s body was gone. It was such a shock to all that the location of the cave was kept secret from (and since) then, lest it become a place of the fanatical attention demanded of her in Jerusalem. Since the Apostles witnessed the Ascension of the Lord to Heaven, they took the disappearance to mean Mary’s body was also assumed into Heaven by her God and Son. That’s the Ephesus story, still held to be true in the area by the local Christians. Isn’t that a nice bed-time story, now?
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Posted by jacersisityourself on November 9,2009 | 02:17PM
On BVM’s Assumption, 2B is also right about a lack of any shrine in any location on earth to mark BVM’s place of actual death. I further write on what I heard on a visit to Ephesus, now in present-day Turkey. The local traditional story goes that John brought Mary away from a buzzing Jerusalem, alerted to claims that Jesus had risen from the dead, and the furore that that created, with attendant clamours by people to get to and be with His mother Mary. This was done after the Apostles decided who should go where and “Go tell everyone...” as Christ told them to. On the instructions of the other Apostles who recognised the responsibility given to John by Christ’s words on the Cross - “John, this is your Mother; Mother this is your son” - the two of them headed north, then west and ended up in the beautiful countryside hills around old Ephesus, where John built a small house in an isolated area for them to live in. (more...)
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Posted by jacersisityourself on November 9,2009 | 02:11PM
Very interesting postings by 2BorNot2B; as a Catholic, I am faith- and honour-bound to accept the Church’s teaching regarding the Blessed Virgin Mary’s (BVM’s) Assumption (see later posts). As 2B also states, Tradition, or verbal-recounting, is as equally important as the Bible to us in our practice of the Faith – neither taking lead over the other. While 2B says that the Catholic Church was there from the beginning I think it’s important to point out that it was not recognised as such until the Credo (or I Believe) prayer was issued out of the Council of Nicaea around the 4th century AD (from which the prayer gets its name of Nicene Creed) – whereby the Church Fathers of the time came up with the word ‘catholic’ (note small letter ’c’) in the prayer (‘catholic’ in this sense means ‘wide-ranging’ and ‘all-embracing’). The Credo is said to have even been composed by the Apostles after Pentecost. Early Christian Churches were known by the name of the city or place where a specially holy person, called a bishop, led the Christians – and so you’d have the Church of Constantinople (Turkey), the Church of Alexandria (Egypt), the Church of Jerusalem (Palestine), the Church of Rome, and even the Church of Ireland after St. Patrick’s time etc – all of them bound together under the Nicene Creed. It was only after the split - the Great Schism - between the bishops of Rome and the eastern bishops over lingual and cultural interpretations of the Credo that the Roman Catholic Church came to be known by that name (as far as I know, and I stand to be corrected!) and the eastern churches became known as Eastern Orthodox. Both still use the Nicene Creed today but with minor variations (...more)
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Posted by 2BorNot2B on November 8,2009 | 06:31PM
To close, it is a fact that in antiquity Saintly relics were highly prized ‘commodities’, from the beginning of the Church to the end of the Middle Ages. Cities and countries went to war over their possession and whoever had them could expect to reap enormous economic benefits by the building of shrines to honor them, and of pilgrimages the faithful took to those destinations. History is full of accounts of relics, from Peter’s to Mary Magdalene they were venerated all over the Christian world, however, there is not one single account of the existence of relics of Mary the mother of Jesus. For faithful Christians, possession of Mary’s relics would have been ‘the Mother of all relics’ yet not one single account exists of that, nor was the building of a Shrine was ever recorded in history. Why? Because everyone knew that Mary had been ‘assumed’ or taken to heaven body and soul by He who chose her. Period, end of story.


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