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Vatican leader slams Irish government’s confessional law as absurd

Row intensifies between Church and State after Papal Nuncio’s recall


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A senior Catholic Church leader has slammed the Irish government’s determination to force priests to reveal child sex abuse claims made in confessional boxes as the row between Ireland and the Vatican intensifies.

As Papal Nuncio to Ireland Monsignor Giuseppe Leanza prepares to return to Rome on the orders of the Pope, Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny has engaged in another war of words with the Holy See.

Kenny and his Justice Minister Alan Shatter have again pledged to force priests to reveal anything they hear in the confessional box connected with child sex abuse.

Their vow to crack down on the church’s attitude to clerical sex abuse allegations comes in the wake of the damning Cloyne Report.

Monsignor Leanza has now been recalled to Rome by the Pope to discuss the report into abuse in the Cork diocese.

And a top Vatican theologian has dismissed the government’s confessional proposal as ‘absurd’.

Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti, of the Vatican’s Apostolic Penitentiary, has slammed the suggestion that priests should break the secrets of the confessional box and reveal details of clergy accused of child sex abuse.

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“Ireland can approve all the laws it wants but it should know the church will never allow itself the obligation to betray the confessional to civil authorities,” said Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti.

“It is absurd to think that priests should be obliged to betray what is said in the confessional box.”

Both Prime Minister Kenny and Justice Minister Shatter have vowed to enforce the new laws despite the worsening relationship between Ireland and the Vatican.

“The plan to bring in the new law on withholding information on crimes against children and vulnerable adults will apply regardless of any internal rules of any religious grouping”, said Shatter. 
“The central focus of the Government is child protection.”

The decision to recall the Papal Nuncio, essentially the Vatican’s ambassador to Ireland, was made in the wake of scathing and historic criticism from Kenny in the wake of the Cloyne Report.

Leanza has been summonsed back to Rome to brief Pope Benedict XVI and senior church officials on details of the report which accused the Catholic hierarchy of covering up the actions of pedophile priests.

Despite the move, Kenny has told government colleagues that he will not change his stance as he awaits a formal response from the Holy See to the report and his subsequent comments.

“The ball is very much in their court. It’s become clear to them (the Vatican), that this administration has a different approach to previous administrations,” a government source told the Irish Independent.

Senior government officials believe the Pope and his bishops in Rome are finally taking the Cloyne Report seriously.

Vatican deputy press officer Father Ciro Benedettini said: “The recall of the Nuncio denotes the seriousness of the situation and the Holy See’s desire to face it objectively and determinedly.

“Nor does it exclude some degree of surprise and disappointment at certain excessive reactions.”

Ireland’s Deputy Prime Minister Eamon Gilmore told the Independent that the decision to recall the Papal Nuncio to the Vatican for consultations was a matter for the Holy See.

“The Government is awaiting the response of the Holy See to the recent report into the Catholic Diocese of Cloyne and it is to be expected that the Vatican would wish to consult in depth with the Nuncio on its response,” said Gilmore.


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One must wonder what those who stridently support protecting the horrible secrets of the confessional fear - That they will be outed also? At least in eg Belgium the police broke down doors to get to the records of horrible abuse in the church. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/10/belgium-child-abuse-catholic-church
One would think the pope's name would have been a message from God to the cardinals to appoint some decent man Pope Just say it out loud and thikn of when and where the pope was born and grew up. RATZI-nger .
to Irishjule To me and so many others, the right to practice a religion filled with child abuse is not a religion. It is a cult of insanity. It reminds me of the Mafioso's code of silence- Omerta. I'd be glad to pay more taxes to help Ireland build more prisons. A way to clean out the filth that actually emanates from the vatican. BTW until about 1000AD priests were allowed to marry and of course have sex. The church changed that to marry priests to the church. Both for absolutist control, and for the church to inherit the priests property. I think this tells it all. Any wonder the whole western world is leaving the church. In France by the churches own admission, only 15% of the catholics go to church on any but the most important holidays. (source EWTN catholic TV show in the USA) A report on Spain and the popes trip there said only 13% are active catholics. And warned parents to protect their children from the church of the endless hidden molestation of children. My whole extended family, 43 people, with only a couple exceptions (old folks too set in their ways) has left the church. It is beyond hope, beyond grace etc. It is the personification of the devil himself And the almost untold story is how many kids were driven to suicide by the priests who raped them, and then terrified the children (boys AND GIRLS) with threats of hell everlasting if the kids ratted out the priests. Is that how the church protects the lives of our children?
Priests take a solemn OATH to NEVER, NEVER, EVER reveal what is told to them in the Sacrament of Reconciliation. They are willing to die first. If they were to reveal a penitent's sin, they themselves would be commiting a very GRAVE sin and would be in danger of hell. It is not up to the government to interfere. This looks to me as another example of Catholics (and all Christians) not having the right to practice their religion.
In the newspaper The Saturday Age Melbourne July 30 2011, front page, there is an article 'Sex abuse by clergy led to 26 suicides,says policeman' The article refers to only two clerical abusers.These abusers would no doubt have been going to regular confession in the diocese of Ballarat and for years many priests knew of their activities,but they said nothing, including their superiors.In this case one of the senior priests of the area was FR Gerorge Pell of Ballarat.Pell went on to be a character witness for one of the abusers in court.The abuse went on, Pell in Now Cardinal George Pell of Sydney.Confidental confessions helped the men abuse. Many lives were lost and others ruined. See how it works?
Collette a Jewish school in Melbourne allowed a pedaphile teacher to escape to Israel by not reporting the felon to the authorities The Jewish misirah like the confessional are aberrations to protect the wrong doers.The Australian Governor General(A former Anglican bishop)resigned for allegedly not reporting abuse in the Anglican communion.There are over 1000 cases of abuse pending accusing the American boy scouts movement of abuse.Pedaphilia has no boundries.
The law of the land is the law no exceptions. It is really that simple.
seanomelbourne, the Jewish community including Rabbi's, have separated themseves from Rabbi Feldman who wants to deal with the abuse under his durisriction within the community. It's more than the RCC hierarchy and not just few faithful have done.
The protection of children is paramount all pedophilia should be reported to the authorities regardless of what profession it is reported in.To compare pedophilia priests with other disiplines seems to me to excuse bad behavior by wayward priests.
@LilPaddy.I was only saying how stupid the law was because I couldn't see how it could be enforced and I think BishopSean makes a good point too.Maybe I'm wrong but I could see how the confessional might come in handy to a pedophile.If he confessed to his boss in confession then he is protected by the seal of confession and moving a priest on is an easy option because he has to stick by the rules which eases his conscience.So you might have a point there.
the post by His Eminence raises an interesting legal and social point: who determines what conversations are private? Is 'private conversation' a right or a privelege? Is it revocable, or subject to modification or annulment; or, is it absolute? And, having reached agreement on these issues, who determines compliance; who determines how the application of the words should and/or are interpreted. These are serious questions, indeed, and, though am not often n the same side as the Chrch, I think 'the people' should give serious consideration to the implications of undoing the seal of confession.
I WILL WRITE THIS "IN CAPITALS" AS MY WAY OF SHOUTING AS LOUD AS I CAN, IN THE HOPE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMENTERS BELOW WOULD JUST "LOOK FOR THE ANSWER IN SIMPLICITY".... BY SUPPORTING AN OUTRIGHT BANNING OF CONFESSIONAL(S)!! Just think about it; the use of "confession" by the criminal pedophiles who conned their way into the protection of a collar and cross, could then molest as many children as was available to them AND ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS "CONFESS", AND THE PRIEST WAS BOUND TO TOTAL SECRECY!! And that dear friends is how "pretender" priests (a.k.a. Pedophile Criminals) were just moved from one parish to another BECAUSE A "REAL PRIEST/BISHOP" COULD DO NOTHING ABOUT IT......NOTHING!!! Aren't we lucky that bank robbers and murderers don't have the same protection system with the F.B.I. and such.... END CONFESSIONALS.... PROBLEM SOLVED (at least with respect to "real" priests having the burden of knowing, but unable to tell). And just maybe we could stop describing pedophile criminals as something that they NEVER WERE, "PRIESTS".. Besides, a confessor would only need to confess directly to HIS God! LETS CLOSE THE BOX AND BURY IT...
In Australia all crimes against children are to be reported. The RCC,Anglican and jewish rabbi,s have pedaphilia charges laid against them they are the only groups who thumb their collective noses at the laws potecting children.
Good point BishopSean.This law IS absurd.Can't put up an argument in defense of this stupidity.Bit embarrassing it's coming from Ireland.How are they going to enforce a law like this.If they can't then it is a bad law.
Will Irish law concerning the turning in to the police of paedophiles also apply to psychologists, psychiatrists and lawyers?




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