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Struggle with church continues after emigrants leave Ireland

A case study at USC by journalism students there


Catholic Church in Ireland struggles as Irish turn elsewhere for refuge and solace
Catholic Church in Ireland struggles as Irish turn elsewhere for refuge and solace
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Where Micheal O'Leary sought churches in America two decades ago, John Corr now looks for pubs. Both of them left Ireland for the United States during times of limited job opportunities at home. But the contrast in their emigration stories illustrates the growing gap between the Irish diaspora and the Catholic Church, say journalism students at USC who have been studying Ireland and Catholicism this year.

For O’Leary’s generation they found the church was integral to smoothing their transitions abroad. He planned to stay in America forever. He opened pubs in Los Angeles and won election to Culver City's city council.

Corr sticks to patronizing pubs. He dreams each day of returning to Ireland soon. And he sees no place for the church in his life. Many from his generation had their ties to Catholicism frayed by two decades of scandals. He barely entertained the idea of going to a developing country where both the economy and Catholicism are flourishing. Instead, young Irish emigrants are mixing with increasingly secular cultures overseas. They also view emigration as a short-term fix. So as they return home, the imprint of religion in Irish life stands to further fade.

On a recent weekend, as O'Leary tapped the shoulder of the priest at St. Augustine Catholic Church to thank him for a good sermon, chances were that Corr was jabbing elbows with friends at an Irish pub a few miles away.

O'Leary grew up with positive depictions of the church in films, activities and everyday life. Nothing could shake his faith – not even the realization that he narrowly escaped what likely would have been an uncomfortable situation with a priest. After coming to America in 1987, he joined decades of emigrants before him in fitting right into the Catholic community. Though he quickly found a job, he was living in a public housing project where strangers refused to strike up conversations.

“When I had nothing else and nobody else, the one thing I could turn to was the church,” O'Leary said.

Beyond kinship, the church also offered basics such as education and healthcare.

“It was a community that offered a basis of support through which immigrants could advanced socially,” said Peadar Kirby, professor emeritus of international politics at the University of Limerick.

Corr's generation, however, has tenuous links to the church, Kirby said.

“Everything they hear, it’s all very negative and every report is a shock to the system that erodes the Catholic Church in their minds,” Kirby said.

Corr, 25, came to Los Angeles in April 2011 to work in the construction industry. He left behind his parents and their farm in County Kilkenny.

When Corr's mother visited, she quickly noticed a nearby church and said he should go make friends there.

“I don’t need to go to a church to meet a new people,” Corr said. “Now, the Irish find the nearest Irish bar and go and talk to people.”

In his time in America, he said he hasn't set foot in a church.


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Hating and despising? Come on guys!
Sounds like StevenStar is jealous..
The Irish in Ireland now, for all of their so called education, drink more now then they ever did. I know lots of older Irish people, those who came in the late 40's, 50's and early 60's who neve touch the stuff And a few who have the odd one or two on occassion. The Irish may be more educated than ever but they are drinking more than ever too.
STEVEN: I will be home again this summer to Ireland like every year, and may pop over during a business trip to London in May if time permits. Am I going to see you decked out in your Man U Jersey?
@@@ANGLO NORMAN ..HAHA...DO I REALLY ? BUT NOT AS MUCH AS I DESPISE YOU :-)
StevenStar- Yet you hate America & Americans.
I DONT THINK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS STRUGGLING BECAUSE OF IMMIGRATION I THINK ITS STRUGGLING BECAUSE PEOPLE THESE DAYS ARE MORE EDUCATED AS TO WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON.. THE CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE AND SCANDALS.. BUT I KNOW ALOT OF IRISH WHO ARE NOW SPIRITUAL.... BUT AMERICANS LIKE TO PORTRAY US IRISH AS THESE HOLY JOES.. JESUS MARY AND JOSEPH... THIS WHOLE HOLLYWOOD THING NEEDS TO STOP ...IRISH PEOPLE ARE ONE OF THE MOST EDUCATED WELL TRAVELLED PEOPLE IN EUROPE... I ALSO CALL FOR MORE AMERICANS TO COME VISIT IRELAND AND NOT ONLY VIEW IT IN MOVIES OR HOLLYWOOD STYLE MAUREEN O HARA FILMS OF DAYS GONE BY ...THE FACT THAT ONLY ABOUT 40% OF AMERICANS HAVE PASSPORTS AND LESS THAN 20% HAVE TRAVELLED TO EUROPE.. I URGE ALL AMERICANS ON HERE TO COME TO IRELAND TO SEE FOR YOURSELVES BECAUSE IT WONT BE ANYTHING LIKE WHAT YOU THINK!!!! TURST ME ON THAT ONE.. NO SHEEP NO COWS OR FARMER O BRIEN STACKING THE HAY OR MARY ANN FALLING OUT OF THE PUB AT NOON AND THE CHILDREN RUNNING AROUND BAREFOOT OR PAT AND HIS DONKEY GOING TO THE SHOPS ....!!!
Will we see a trend of Irish and Irish American sexual predators now start becoming liquor store clerks and bar keeps instead of priests?
anglo-norman | Mar 04, 2013, 06:46 PM EST The Irish must seperate themselves from alcohol,the catholic religion,the IRA/UVF murderers,& their myths before they can progrees as a people.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IM IRISH I DONT DRINK I DONT SUPPORT THE IRA AND IM NOT A CATHOLIC IM A SPIRITUAL PERSON.. ID LIKE TO MEET U ONE DAY AND SHOW YOU THIS.. SO I COULD MAYBE HELP YOU FIND SOME INNER PEACE AND HELP YOUR WITH YOUR ANGER AND BITTERNESS ...YOU ARE MY NEIGHBOR ... PLEASE DONT ALWAYS BE SO MEAN ;-)
The Irish must seperate themselves from alcohol,the catholic religion,the IRA/UVF murderers,& their myths before they can progrees as a people.
The pub or the church!!! Isn't it about time we Irish forged an identity separate from either of these choices. Take the almighty pint off it's pedestal. It has impoverished many Irish families and enriched one beyond measure. The church with it's ingrained guilt may have driven many from it's doors straight to Guinness's. Let's have a St. Patrick's day devoid of obeisance to God or Mammon!
I never blame or condemned the entire Roman Church for the immoral behavior of a small minority of its prients and the covering up of this shameful activity by some of its prelates. I'm by no means a perfect Catholic or very good Christian, but I always attend Sunday mass in the local R.C. church, frequently accompany my wife to service at her Metodist church, and occasionally go to mass in an Anglican church (which is in some ways more Catholic than the Roman churches).
The R.C. Church played a major role in the lives of those of us who were greenhorns in the mid-60s. However, I'm not aware of the Church ever providing us with even a slight fraction of the helps it now gives to ILLEGAL Hispanic aliens.As newly arrived Immigrants, we wewe expected to "give generously" to our Church. Regarding Irish immigrants of my age group squandering our money in pubs, many of us were teetotalers who never felt the need for booze or any other mind-altering drug.
"And for young adults looking for more cultural freedom, he said South America's the perfect place." Can someone please explain what this piece of nonsense uttered by the Harvard student is supposed to mean? Truly this article ranks among the worst pieces of "journalism" (sic) I have ever seen on this site.
What a stupid error. "Ireland and Scotland are the only two countries in the 27-state European Union that don't require students to learn a second language." Don't the dopes who wrote this know that almost every Irish student in Irish schools learns a second language? It's called IRISH, you clowns.




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