Pope pushed for IRA to end H Block hunger strike

Yeah,I want my money back 10% of Catholic yearly income for 200 years payed to the Anglican Church with interest.They keep the apology,just give us the money..yeah and the land..I want some land too..Yeah and some proddy woddy owns the fishing rights to Kenmare river..i don't think his family set foot in kenmare for 200 years.

@londonirishtom britain only "abolished" slavery when it was no longer a primary component of its economic output. The US civil war had little to do with slavery. Moreover, if the anglican church were truly Christian it would somehow recompense the Irish people for the stolen tithes and land (at least return some of the land?). The Anglican Church hasn't even apologized. Instead, you have greedy degenerate vicars who have never resided in Ireland challenging the title of Irish citizens to their own land. That's the british terror state for you - all about greed, murder, and theft.

@barneyjo Trans-national mass consumerism is a sickness emanating primarily from the anglo-sphere and is responsible for the industrial estate Ireland disaster (it was pushed on the Irish people through the anglo rooted Dublin based mass media). However, this is only a resultant component of anglo materialism - it's produced a debased view of human nature leading to supremacism and our current souless nihilism (which the western regimes soften with mass consumerism). It is also responsible for the doctrine of pragmatism which has ruined western education (just look at the astronomically increasing expenditures in relation to outcomes).

Im a Descendant of John Devoy (IRB)..One of the greatest of all Fenians..I am an Irish Republican but most importantly a Christian, a believer in God.

Being an Irish Roman Catholic for a lot of people is an Identity to be proud of..given centuries of British rule for it to be destroyed...but Roman Catholicism is not the essence of what makes up a proud Irish person. This church has become for Irish People a church of traditions devoid of the Spirit of God..Accept God's Rule over Rome rule & Ireland will be blessed for it..

@kurtjohnson - "it's true that degenerate anglo materalist/mass consumerist doctrines continue to poison the country" if by that you mean that there is a branch of Tesco in practically every large Irish town, thats commerce, which is of course a two way street if you recognise that there are many branches of Dunnes Stores in towns and cities across England, Scotland, and Wales. A further example, before its demise, the Waterford Crystal Group had taken over the English Wedgewood Pottery. Whilst I can accept the concept of "Political Capitalism" and its links to the evolution of consummerism, I think it is best to view both as separate constructs, if for no other reason than basic objectivity.

@kurtjohnson – don’t suppose this is the place to remember that Britain abolished slavery some thirty years before the ‘freedom loving’ USA, and without the need for a civil war?

One wonders if the "Christian" Anglican Church will ever repay the Irish people the stolen "tithes" that it extorted from them. Of course, the degenerate sickos also owned, tortured, branded and sold slaves.

The Church hasn't been pro-Irish since the Papal Nuncio brought assistance from Rome in the 1640s. Additionally, Bill the Orange was in favor of allowing the Irish to keep their property making the loyalist supremacist worship of him somewhat curious. Re the Towntroll and barneyjo posts, it's true that degenerate anglo materalist/mass consumerist doctrines continue to poison the country primarily through the former pale (where the anglo toxin was allowed to keep a foothold in the mass media). Too bad that Ireland could not rid itself fully of the pale cancer the way France did in Brittany.

@sirpeter(& others) Good God - surely this cannot be; a modicum of consensus breaking out!!! It must be the end of the world!!

Not the first time the vatican sided with Britain against Ireland. When the British defended the Monarch-Pope against the Republican mobs of Rome, the deal was that the Pope would tell the Irish bishops to tell the Irish that God wanted them to bow to British authority. The Pope did so. Most, but not all, of the Irish bishops obeyed the pope.

barneyjo..If a poster here disagrees with a certain point i make..I don't mind.If it is a good point all the better.If i am wrong better still. I'm then a little wiser then before. But so is everybody else who cares to read that post. Look if a guy posts a load of crap that i know to be untrue and is derogatory,I'm going to challenge him with the information in my head.If he wishes he can challenge me back, it will go from there.Either way the information or topic has two sides of the story.For all to read. If they want to get personal and call me an idiot,that's grand too.I'm quite good at been foul mouthed myself,maybe you didn't notice..ha ha.I know you have different views to me,and the post below seems good,I will do further research to what you said..You seem a reasonable guy and you consider yourself an Irishman through and through.There is enough posters on this site who haven't a good word to say about anything Irish.So go easy with the negativity.This site is about all things Irish,not having a dump on the Irish (And to honest i don't mean you)There are others though who need my attention.lol Happy New Year..Hope it's a good one ;)

@sirpeter - a few points; 1)implict in your comments/ posts is that the view that I and others hold is less well informed than your own. I dont consider this to be the case; indeed, I could equally level the same charge against your own views. 2)I would contend that your view of the role of the Catholic Church in the immediate Post-Famine years, completely negates the "raison d'etre" of Cardinal Paul Cullen and the Irish Hierarchy from 1850 onwards and their efforts to make the Church a dominant force in the Ireland of that period. To that end, Cullen, together with a large section of the Catholic hierarchy was prepared to "shake hands with the devil" in his quest to turn what was generally viewed as a "rag-tag" church into the considerable force it became within his lifetime and beyond.And it is only in the present time that we have witnessed the demise of that entity. 3) Whilst I applaud your wish and intent to "defend" (your words) Irish Culture and traditions, I feel obliged to qualify that view by saying that you take to much responsibility on your own shoulders without the sanction of others like myself who consider themselves Irishmen through and through

BTW..At least you try to put up an argument,unlike Towngate who now speaks indirectly to me,because he can't handle facts.Course the abuse i give him might be something to do with that..ha ha ha.I'm not sure what your motives are...But you must admit your post on Dec 30, 2010, 05:58 PM EST to Downunderyan was not the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth.To omit important fact's is tantamount to lies. This is my crusade on IrishCentral to let people know the full facts when a poster either has misinformation or is been biased..I put in a counter-argument and if they are interested,they can look up the facts for themselves..as you say.

I think the Pope should have told the British to give them political status or their deaths would be murder and on their hands.