'Ordain a lady' campaign for women to become priests goes viral – VIDEO

God go with eiriamach and her rebellious search. I hope she will have time left in her life to learn what I have learned - that the greatest, most beautiful victory gained by any rebellious or doubting person of God, like I was once, and by all, including self-satisfying atheists and agonistics, is not in rebellion but in submission to the hardness of the Truth of the Loving Christ for both men and women in the roles He (as the Son, His Father in Heaven as Father of all and as the Holy Spirit of Wisdom for all) delegated to each one of us, female and male. The rewards are... erm, out of this world. The other great beautiful recognition I’ve found, and what we all should find is… that no human being’s soul is female or male; thus the need for equality does not exist between anyone of us humans. (I’m out on this topic of ordained women for now, until the next time, if God spares me life to be around tomorrow or next week. If not, there will always plenty of other Catholics around).

(…more) I totally agree with the last line of the song in Antoinette’s article above… “We want our Church back”. It’s what the original followers of Christ would have shouted and sung for on the global media outlets we know today. The “church” that eiriamach declares herself to be within is not the Church we true Christens want back: in fact her kind of Christian Church never existed at all; it was invented like all the other RCC-protesting churches and well she might bother her rebellious barmy to wake up her rebel self and her gorgeously misled by others “priest-rector” to that un-gorgeous fact. It’s only when you, yourself alone, un-hindered by all kinds of media-speaks out there, keep knocking on the door, through questioning, through inter-personal dialogue and debate and especially through trusting prayer for wisdom to know the differences, that the door will be opened eventually as to why we want our Church back (it was never lost; it’s still there as Christ has promised but it has been certainly been robbed by neo-Christians and false prophets, as warned of by Jesus Himself).

(…more) Far from being delusional in my faith in the RCC as falsely alleged by eiriamach, my once-shaky dismissive attitude to faith in the RCC or any church has been exceptionally well re-confirmed during my own lone sojourns to the known tombs of the original Apostles, thanks be to the inspiration of the person of Holy Spirit of Wisdom in God’s Holy Trinity (St. Patrick’s Shamrock, anyone? Three separate leaves in one plant, three different embodiments of God in One Entity). Like I said before, I encourage eiramach and others like her to continue to challenge, to question and seek the Truth like I did at much exploring pain. Yes, I re-hashed and re-examined my beliefs and I’ll tell you, in truth it’s painful but hugely worth it. I travelled and I spoke with people in various places of our world. (more…)

Trust this jacers’ saying that below; it fekkin' happened to him, much to his un-pleasuring of pleasure. These edicts, moral guidance advices etc., issued by Rome and its Bishops are always only issued after deep research by its eminently qualified theologians and others of its members, of the ordained and lay kind, males and females, trained and dedicated questioning studious people in religious, science and secular fields and especially after deep prayerful consideration by the RCC’s various Congregations, Bishops, Cardinals and Pope and their trust in guidance by the Holy Spirit. Contrary to what eiriamach says, the RCC is the world-leader in Ecumenism, with assistance of Greek and other Orthodox Christian Churches in drawing people of differing faiths, that most Protestant churches wouldn’t dare to rub shoulders with, all alongside each other together in prayer to our One God. (More…)

“Sorry” but, given what I’ve said below, I have to herald that I think our dear (now I’m thinking, not so-“learned”) eiriamach and people like her need to re-hash, re-examine their views of the RCC, particularly her seriously-erroneous belief that it is non-Christian in its faith and in its work, or in its religious edicts and spiritual and moral guidance to all over the world. (So you don’t like or agree them?? That’s ok, I once didn’t either. So… oh oh oh … Ok, imagine you met St. Paul on the road to, erm, to wherever. What would your rebellious dismissive conversation with him be like? G’wan, g’wan!... Imagine it. Feel it like real. Feel it like you know all about everything. Have a good row with him about your ooops-a-daisy thinking. The converted Paul would demolish any arguments or doubts you might have and yet leave you feeling you’ve won the argument and comfortingly tell you that your doubts are worthless. That’s how deep the love of Christ works).

I believe that the miracle of Transubstantiation also occurs in Greek and other Eastern Orthodox Churches in communion with the See (Seat) of St. Peter in Rome, and in the Coptic Church in Egypt and other countries, and in the Jewish Messianic Churches, in all of which I would be privileged to accept our Christ’s invitation to commune, to be one, with Him. The true power of the True Presence of the transubstantiated Body and Blood of Christ in the consecrated Holy Eucharist has been remarkably exampled in many miracles many times - in Lourdes, for this one example, where, statistically provable, most of the miracles that happened there occurred during the processions of the Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist passing by those on the sidelines of the procession who were healed of their afflictions, while fewer of the miracles in Lourdes happened through bathing or washing in the miraculous waters that St. Bernadette found while hand-digging dry earth.

On some life-experiencing occasions, I subsume myself hand-on-heart to being in communion with members of Protestant Christian churches holding Communion Services when having bread and wine during a meal at home, in a restaurant or out on a picnic in the fresh air of Irish green parklands or its soft-rippling waved lakes and sandy high-wind-waved beaches. I remember Christ’s words in those moments… and silently ask for a spiritual communion with Christ whilst knowing full-well that Transubstantiation has not taken place, that I am not eating the transubstantiated Holy Body of Christ or drinking His Holy Blood, just simply doing something in remembering. I strongly believe however (after much doubting), that I am eating and drinking the Holy Body and Blood of our Christ where the bread and wine is miraculously consecrated by an original line of ordained Priest of Christ, be he a Priest, Bishop, Cardinal or Pope.

eiriamach confirms that she is a rebellious member of an anti-Roman Catholic Church church (yes, read that again, no mistypo on the double word). Yet, she proclaims, from her few decades of her life experiences, to have all the knowledge needed to tell the RCC - with its 2000-yr old experience and knowledge of its millions of theologians, priests, nuns, miracles and indeed the miracles of its lay-person saints in all that time - what it should do or be doing today. Let’s get Popemess eiriamach’s head sorted out around that. Clearly, she is an RCC-protestant person (no harm in that; as a member of the RCC, I and a not a few other Catholics have protest issues too, none of them anti-sacred). She’s one of the of members (male and female) of thousands of various Protestant Churches in committing the great singular grave mistake of accepting and believing her female “priest-rector” has apostolic succession to perform the miracle of Transubstantiation, delegated, by our Christ alone, to men only (which is the “why” the RCC, Greek and other Orthodox Christian Churches have their hands tied on the issue, unable to change it, despite popular demands by, and respect for, women, something of a choice that, as a modern post-Vatican II Catholic layman, I sincerely regret but have to live with, in its choice to be with unpalatable modern-day “mores”, vis-a-vis Christ’s singular choice of Apostolic delegation at that last supper (how painful that must have been for Him!) he had with them alone. He could have included women in the charge He gave to perform the miracle of “My Body, My Blood” that he gave to His male Apostles if He chose to… but He didn’t. Why? - We’ll never know - but we must truthfully honourably respect and trust in that choice forever, as faithful followers of our Messiah, our Christ.

You think maybe its anti-Christian to kill defenseless babies during abortion? Ya think?

Jacers, you ask (again, and others also ask again and again!) "why would you and your fellow-non-Catholics take so much time to disparagingly comment on matters that don’t concern you?" And I reply, again and again, that the religious institution that will not deal with criticism and that is not open to improving itself (ecclesia semper reformandum) is a dying institution. Not only is it death-driven, but it continues to oppress many with its misguided, UnChrist-like assertions of moral authority. And I say again that you suffer from a common Catholic delusion -- that the Roman Church IS Christianity-- even when we other Christians find the pope's actions and speeches deplorably anti-Christian. In this world, where so many youth are alienated from pursuing a life of the spirit and working with others to improve justice and charity in our communities, Christians are either the Body of Christ working in concert, or a pack of warring factions -- and you would have us the latter! Your replies signal close-mindedness to the insights of other Christians, so I see little hope of Catholics ever cooperating to help prepare for the Kingdom of God on this earth. I am compelled to conclude that you, not I, are the renegade from Christianity, and Christians may never succeed in summoning you to follow the message of the Gospel, which NEVER excludes or tries to drive anyone out of the community of the faithful-- the "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic" (yes, the female priest-rector of my church is ordained in apostolic succession) Church.

(…more) My son went on to say that women, after a great struggle to achieve equality and a right to enter university, were eventually allowed to do so and to graduate, much to the disgruntlement of the colleges’ all-male hierarchies’ displeasure. College-graduating men continued to wear their traditional quarter-segmented berets but women’s berets had a flat board on top… signifying the college hierarchies’ displeasure (symbolising a pat-down on the top of the women’s’ heads and their saying … “Congratulations on your graduation. But! - thus far you shall go and no further!”…. My son also explained that male graduates later discarded the beret to show they could continue to grow tall while women were restricted to being flat-topped. (“Hmmpph!” on that, I’d say!). I wonder how male graduates in America feel about being equated with women wearing their flat-capped berets on their graduation days. Oh, and perhaps I should, in equality and fairness, ask if eiriamach discarded her flat-top cap in line with modern Irish men’s mores (Don’t answer eiriamach! .. you shud know I’m TDP on that!... ah sure sorry… I couldn’t resist it… och ón, no… I couldn’t).

eiriamach Part Trois - Flat-capped…. I didn’t go to university. I qualified in a specific non-academic professional field, which was not catered for by universities at the time (but now is). But sons of mine did graduate academically from university in Ireland. As most Americans know of the custom of graduation in America, black gowns and flat-capped berets are worn for that wonderful moment celebrating graduation. My sons, like their fellow male graduates, wore only a gown, nothing on their heads. Female fellow-graduates wore a gown and a flat-capped beret. I (iggerant me!) asked my eldest son “Why the difference between the men & women grads dress codes?” He explained that in the earliest days of university colleges, men were the only people in them and that they graduated wearing black gowns and rounded berets (similar to bishop and papal berets except they were elaborately braided into four segments, just like the rounded cap you see (if you bother to notice) beneath the American flat-capped berets). (More…)

eiriamach Part Ducks - In a coincidental aside related to Antoinette’s article above, a TV programme on Irish TV last Monday night, “Hector Goes… Holy” (which you can google for and watch on RTE Player, part of a TV series in which “Hector Goes... (amongst the pigeons of various hues, so to say)”; next week he’ll be amongst Irish Gypsies (the Traveller Community)), explored the topic of modern thinking amongst Irish priests (Hector is a non-practising baptised Irish Catholic, a Gaelgóir, from Co. Meath). In it, the Bishop of Meath, one of the modernist Bishops of Ireland that I have great respect for, clearly says to Hector that we will never see women priests or married priests (the latter I would disagree with since it is Canon Law, which can be changed, as opposed to Traditional Apostolic Law which can’t be intrinsically changed by humans, including any Pope of the future). Back to flat-caps… (humorous).

(…more) Like I’ve always said, I respect your ‘learned’ opinions (for that is what they are: opinions, however learned or formed) but I do feel they are not always right or justified within the core of the Catholic Church’s mission for and behalf of Christ and most are certainly rebelliously against Apostolic, Catholic, fully-Christian teaching, which would raise the question as whether you are a Catholic at all, and if you’re not a Catholic, why would you and your fellow-non-Catholics take so much time to disparagingly comment on matters that don’t concern you. But if you are so rebellious, yet capable of great interesting debate on Catholic matters, there must have been a level of some depth of Catholic studies you reached to be so able as to write and argue as well as you do on ICentral (probably elsewhere too) on Catholic matters. Do you, or would you comment on other sites – Protestant, Jewish, Islamic sites in the same rebellious vein? Anything positive you have to say on any such site? There’s none apparent on ICentral.

eiriamach Part a h-Aon - Apologies to eiriamach, Jan 07, 07.23am. I did forget that post of Apr 30 2011 and I now remember it well for the chuckle it gave me … your saying “… don’t spend a life time working for second place” (i.e. flat-capped; I’ll come back to that)... it still gives me a laugh, not of the disparaging kind, just the notion of the rebellious first-grader young girl asking an innocent question that her class-mates in their innocence laughed at and how she must have felt back then. Maybe your posts, regularly containing extracts from various Vatican II papers, the Bible and other ‘edicts’ (for want of a word) and your clearly feminist anti-Catholic rants led me, and I suppose many others, to believe that you might be a disenchanted or disenfranchised ex-Catholic nun: so, apologies on that again. However, I would think many thousands of novice-nuns, nuns, abbesses, Head-abbesses and Head-nuns (including many now deceased but now also confirmed Holy Saints of the Church would fiercely take issue with you on your insinuation that they are or were being “second-best” in their Catholic vocational lives. (More…)