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Jewish Irish minister accused of being prejudiced against Catholics

Decision to separate church and state angers some


Justice Minister Alan Shatter
Justice Minister Alan Shatter
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Irish Defense Minister Alan Shatter, who is Jewish, has been accused of being prejudiced against the Catholic Church this week over his alleged refusal to allow the state's army to provide a guard of honour for a religious procession during the recent International Eucharistic Congress in Dublin.

According to the Irish Examiner, members of the Irish Defense Forces have regularly taken part in religious events throughout the State, but this is a tradition that may have finally changed in pursuit of a more secular society and in the wake of the abuse crisis. 



A spokesperson for the Department of Defence told the Journal that a request had been submitted by the Eucharistic Congress seeking the Defense Forces’ participation in a religious procession. 



Limerick Fianna Fail minister Willie O’Dea, a former Irish defense minister who resigned in the wake of findings during a controversial high court case, accused minister Shatter of 'blind prejudice' in blocking the army from taking part.

An army spokesperson reportedly told The Irish Catholic this week: 'The department was not in a position to approve such involvement as military participation (in the parade) was not considered appropriate.' 



Criticizing Minister Shatters decision The Irish Catholic wrote: 'The unprecedented move has raised fears that religious events around the country, where members of the Defence Forces have traditionally played an important role, will become 'no-go' events for military personnel. It will also increase suspicion among people of faith that the Coalition is increasingly hostile towards Catholics.' 



Minister O’Dea added that he believed the request from the organizers of the congress should have been granted.

'It demonstrates a strange petty-mindedness by Mr Shatter, which I must say does not surprise me. His response to the request seems like one of blind prejudice and his reaction is totally inappropriate. He should now give a proper explanation why this decision was taken. The army have participated in Church ceremonies since the foundation of the State, irrespective of what Church was involved. 



'There has been this tradition, and now we are told that such participation by the Defence Forces on major occasions like the eucharistic congress is suddenly inappropriate if Mr Shatter says so,’ O’Dea said.


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catholicabusesurvivorsni------the minister was right , the vastican has its own army to run around a pointless kabal gathering, the irish army are employed for the defense of the nation , the jewish minister should remind the vatican they colluded with hitler???
any story with Willie O' Dea in it is quite simply bull**
Ken from Dublin. Please don't forget to take your medication before you get on the bus. You have some serious dillusionary visions! Idget!
Am I just not seeing it, or has some editor removed deirdre emm's posting, the one I commented on? If I had quoted what deirdre emm wrote, would the editor have removed my comments as well? If it happens again, I'll try quoting the entire offensive posting, just to see how this editing works.
Any doubt as to why, despite all the Infidelity and Corruption Associated with Catholic Politicians like the Kennedy's; Wee still look to Them, for Confidence and Leadership ? Your no J.F.K. Barack Obama, Your not even John Kerry! And there are Bureaucrats in Dublin, who would sell The Irish Republic "Down The River" for the Dutch Bounty on Renegade Revolutionaries!
WhEn thE Dal Lama VsiEd irEland did thE Irish DEfEncE ForcEs providE a Guar of Honour? In acual fact would IrEland providE trough it's DEfEncE ForcEs a Guard of Honour for all rEligous Organisations likE thE Hari Krisna'a? Obviously not. So how can it bE PrEjudicE if thE Irish DEfEncE MinistEr brings thE allowancE for thE Catholic Church to Equality of provision of Guars of Honour REligions? AftEr all Non Cathlics stood to FrEE IrEland from British rulE!
Minister Shatter carries Irish Government Department portfolios for Justice, Equality AND Defence - two of which are highly sensitive! How advisable is this? One son of an ex-Irish Army Private Kelly, (killed in action by IRA friendly fire), was used as a political pawn to sabotage NI's DFM's presidential campaign. How ethical was that? Min Shatter decorated Pte Kelly posthumeously recently. Why not field commission any other son of Pte Kelly's Snrs who is currently serving as a Military Police NCO? Pte Kelly Snr did a tour of duty with the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), some of whose members were killed by Israeli Defence (sic) Forces (IDF). Will Min Shatter be decorating them posthumeously? Senator David Norris's presidential campaign was sabotaged by discovery of documents apropos clemency letters he wrote to an Israeli Court for an ex-homosexual love convicted of raping a Palestinian boy. How did such discovery come about? An ex-Fianna Fail Min of Defence (Michael Smith) was quoted as saying that his Govt would not come out with their hands up to army deafness claims, using an armed robbery metaphor against honourable ex-servicemen pursuing legitimate claims. Irish Army participation in religious ceremonies of any religion is as inappropriate as British Army battle standards in Protestant Cathedrals in Dublin and around Ireland. Fine Gael Taoiseach of 1920/30's, John A. Costello, once said he was Roman Catholic first and an Irishman second. How did he become Taoiseach as a national of a foreign state? PS Some Jews are actually anti-Zionist!
Kenfrom Dublin, iam certainly not Anti Catholic but i do think the RC church has a lot to answer for and as for Jews and Israel, I have no problems with them at all. It is clear however, that if someone voices their view which might not be the same view held by the rest of the sheep on here then it's quite acceptable to call them a racist, anti-semite or facist and hope that this sticks but its childish and shows how ignorant some people really are. The church has been hiding Paedo priests for too long, the state should distance themselves from the church as much as possible and I agree with Alan Shatter's decision on this. Bob McBride I don't have such an app and don't wish to have it either.
Go raibh maith agat James Fitzpatrick for your comments against the anti-semitism that has been displayed on this board. Never apologize for providing a history lesson. Slan go foill, mo chara.
It's interesting the people whom deirdre emm thinks you should hate along with Alan Shatter. Jeffrey Herf, writing "Fresh Air in Central Europe," in the New Republic (Aug 25, 2010 online), has this to say about Anette Kahane: "grew up in East Germany, now directs the Amadeu Antonio Foundation, an organization that promotes a multi-ethnic Germany. The foundation draws attention to and fights against instances of anti-Semitism as well as of racism against immigrants of all ethnicities and religions, whether the hatred comes from the neo-Nazi scene or Islamists. In the past few years, the foundation organized a much-discussed and even much more needed traveling exhibit about anti-Semitism in formerly anti-fascist East Germany." Barbara Lerner Spectre, another that deirdre wants you to hate, is an American philosopher, theologian, and author who founded Paideia, the European Institute for Jewish Studies. She has taught Jewish Studies in Israel and the USA and is a recipient of the Max Fisher Prize for Jewish Education in the Diaspora and several other honors for her work in education, anti-Semitism, and Judaism. I wonder why so many racists have targeted Irish Central lately! Do they think the Irish are as stupid as Glenn Beck? Are they planning to open up a KKK branch on O'Connell Street? What does deirdre emm and her tribe have to gain by stirring up hatred?
In light of the Roman Catholic Church's role in child abuse and the Vatican's refusal to act appropiately since the revelations, is it any wonder that the church is losing support from traditional 'Catholics' the ordinary people just don't trust them anymore. It is right that the state distances itself from the RC church as much as possible. Unless this procession has received a threat from a terrorist group I don't see why the state should provide armed troops as a guard of honour.
deirdre emm's scorn for people who do not share her bigotry is feeble and petty. It must be lonely living with such bitterness. Indeed, I suspect that lurking behind deirdre emm's fear-mongering and scapegoating is nothing more than a desperate search for like-minded--that is, similarly feeble-minded--people to agree with her. Any takers?
@bob mc bride - can't agree with you more. And Irish Central should not refer to Willie O'Dea as "Minister". He's not, he's a disgraced Fianna failed politician desperate for a bit of oxygen.
He's not the only one they all are.
I wish more Irish people were agnostic. I used to run away from Sunday School so often that my mother gave up trying to indoctrinate me. Thankfully, my dad was not a zealot! Let your children make their own minds up!




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