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Ireland's denominational schools may breach children's human rights


Children at Castletownbere School, Beara, County Cork
Children at Castletownbere School, Beara, County Cork

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The time has come to address the central role of religion in schools, the Irish government has been told. In a discussion paper presented by the Irish Human Rights Commission (IHCR) this week ministers were told that the religious ethos of most Irish schools may be a breach of the human rights of some children.

Simply allowing pupils of minority faiths (or none) to opt out of all religious instruction, the government was told, might not adequately address the issue since the Catholic ethos of most Irish schools strongly permeates their daily operation.

The time has has come for the Republic of Ireland to address what place - if any - religion should have in the classroom, reflecting the reality of the much more secular nation Ireland has become, the paper said.

It's a discussion that would have been unthinkable a generation ago, but next year Ireland's record on religion in its schools will come under intense scrutiny from an external review by the United Nations Human Rights Council.

The IHCR paper also posed a series of tough questions as to whether the law and practice in Ireland meets human rights standards.

The Irish position could soon face challenges under the European Convention on Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the Convention on the Rights of the Child and the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, the paper said.

At primary level, the IHCR said, Catholic schools require students to devote two-and-a-half hours per week to religious instruction, while it is two hours per week at secondary school level.


The IHCR paper acknowledged that clear provisions have been made by most schools for the right of concerned parents to withdraw their children from any form of instruction that conflicts with their own beliefs. But because of the religious ethos of most of Ireland's denominational schools, pupils would not necessarily be sheilded from receiving religious education informally, it stated.

Ninety two percent of Ireland's denominational primary schools are run by the Catholic Church. There are no non-denominational schools, and just over two percent of Irish schools are inter-denominational or multi-denominational.


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BUNREACHT NA hÉIREANN (Irish Constitution) - Article 44. 2. 2 & 3. These should preclude the state from favouring one religion, or denomination over any other, and either instruct all religions represented in a school, or none.
Ah, Maloney - you never disappoint. Please reveal your evidence about songs about President Obama (in the school I went to we capitalized last names and provided titles to people who held an office). Please tell me what schools have removed the US flag. I pass by several schools in the course of a week. They all have flags outside - maybe they took them from inside. What specifically would you do to reject the "New World Order" with your life? If you want to live in the Dark Ages, feel free. But some of the caves have bears living there too.
Pittsburg: "These are the people who will sit silently while yet another bomb in Israel kills 15 children"--_When did this happen? I follow the news every day, extraordinary I haven't heard about it. Was it before or after the Israelis killed 300 children in the attack on Gaza?
America went from prayer in school to praising & singing songs about obama. No American flags in schools. No American history, just world history, then only the world history they want you to hear. Reject the New World Order with your life if needed.
This idea is ridiculous. The schools NEED prayer and religion. American schools were great until the atheist, Madalyn Murray O'Hare, managed to have prayer eliminated from the schools. I hope the Irish will not give in to the secularisation of their schools. What about the rights of the Christian children? In America, the liberals are trying to eliminate any mention of God in any public place for fear of offending someone. Well, I and 85% of the country who are Christian are offended!! I am a Catholic and attended a public school in Grades 1 - 3. We said the "Our Father" the Protestant way, but I would rather have that than no prayer at all. America was founded on Christian principles by Christians and Ireland has long been a Catholic country. I hope and pray that doesn't change.
Kickstar, I am with you and wish my government (US) would stop all funding of the UN and tell it to relocate.
Dear Portia, they are only lies to people who have not had the experience of opening the great gift God gave them.
I do not understand the problem. The Irish education system is one of the best in the world. The American education system was one of the best in the world until the ban of pary in school. The School are the best thing in Ireland. Do not mess them up, like American schools are now.
Listening to the UN on Human Rights and Religious freedom? Hello? These are the people who will sit silently while yet another bomb in Israel kills 15 children, but have Israel respond! Why how dare they! The eight years I spent at Catholic grade school were tough, but what a preparation for higher learning! Ireland, tell the UN to bugger off!
It isn't that Christ has been sent to the woodshed, but within the Christian Church itself which sect should be taught in school? Growing up Catholic, I would not at all have appreciated any Southern Baptist tenets being forced into my brain. Ireland would be better off assuming the US "establishment" clause as their guiding principle.
All around me families are seeking schools with good moral values. I had a young relative tell me about drug sales in the highschool hallways, sex between rows of lockers and has anyone heard about mortal bullying in schools, like last nights news where a parent objected to a childs being slugged by a fellow 6 year old and being told it is only "bumping" and can't be helped. What about the human right to choose to have a child educated in a safe and moral environment. What is informal religous education? Don't hurt other people (physically or emotionally), don't hurt yourself, if you didn't earn it or receive it as a gift it isn't yours? These schools allow parents the choice of not having their children receive a religious education, but the opposition would force an athiestic education on children. Frightening. My Irish grandmother said, "Don't fear the man who worships God differently, fear the man who knows no God."
This is exactly what Malachi (Brendan) Martin foretold. Christ will be "taken to the woodshed" and radical socialism will triumph.
All religions should be removed from schools and leave it to parents if they want to indoctrinate their own children. As a retired teacher i have seen the damage that teachers do- forcibly brainwashing the nation 's children with lies re god, sin, guilt,etc. The sovereign people have no freedom with a government like we have. Every human need is a human right and we do not need religion with all its controls over man woman and child of Eire.
Are you kidding me?. If you live, work, go to school in Ireland abide by the rules, if by hearing about their religon offends you, Leave. I am so sick of reading about Ireland and the USA trying to please all other religons, and foreign policy. In any other country in Europe and the Middle East if you break their laws or somehow disrespect their beliefs, well, you may lose your life. No Human Rights are adhered to. We are really destroying our own RIGHTS.
Just another example, like the prohibition on elections until the fiscal crisis is further resolved, of why Ireland should opt out of the "European Super State". By what supposed "right" does a body of the VOLUNTARY United Nations presume to dictate on an issue as important to a country as the education of its young?




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