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Ireland’s closure of the Vatican embassy was the correct decision

Embassy closure sparks debate


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The Irish government decision last week to close its Vatican Embassy in Rome was the correct one.

It has ignited some controversy in Ireland, where many have claimed it is payback time for the Vatican interfering in the church abuse scandals in Ireland.

Taoiseach (Prime Minster) Enda Kenny has stated that the closure was no such thing, but that might be taken with more than a grain of salt.

So what if it is? Someone needed to make clear to the Vatican that their action in blocking a legal Irish investigation into pedophile priests was criminal activity in itself.

The Vatican, because of its lofty role in the world, has tried to portray itself as above any such considerations, but it is a tale being retold far too often around the world.

The church as an institution is still on the back foot on this one, unable or unwilling to recognize the damage done and act accordingly.

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Only in recent times, and thanks to inspirational figures like Archbishop Diarmuid Martin in Dublin and Cardinal Sean O’Malley in Boston, have we seen church elders stand up and take responsibility for the horrific acts that were done by professed priests.

The lives of thousands of children were destroyed by sexual predators, and many in the Vatican saw no evil.

Amazingly, it was this current Irish government that spoke up loudly and clearly soon after they took office.

Kenny’s speech in the Dail on the matter has already gone down in history as one of the most important he will ever make.

It established a marker that such behavior would not be tolerated in the future, and that the Irish government was no longer prepared to turn a blind eye to Vatican complicity in a cover-up.

The fact that Ireland is the Vatican’s longest standing satellite and where the church had by far the greatest influence makes that move all that more courageous.

Now the Irish government has taken the next obvious step. The closure of the Vatican Embassy is, no doubt, a direct result of the child abuse cover-ups.

The backlash made such a closure possible, and there has been remarkably little negative comment apart from the usual hierarchy suspects to it in Ireland.

The Vatican has no one to blame but its own institutional rules and determination to protect the privileged at all costs.

We are seeing the corrosive effects of that child abuse across Irish society where, in times of economic hardship, the church had a major role as bulwark of the community and society.


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This article by the 'irish central' editorial shows such biased and misleading lies and twistedness that i no longer support 'irish central'. I am Irish. I am Catholic. God Bless the Pope.
By this “Closure... was correct” article, Irish Voice Editorial shows it thinks to know better than the vast majority of diplomatic corps in the Vatican, in Italy and in the United Nations who all are tut-tut’ing the Irish Govt’s decision to close the Embassy. It shows total disrespect to the Vatican which has the oldest network of communications throughout the world through its parishes and their communities on the ground in almost every country which is why so many countries in the world have full diplomatic relations with or diplomatic missions to the Vatican. It is recognised as the biggest “listening post” in the world. Gearoid4’s points below 10 Nov 2.58pm quite perfectly shows why the decision was so so so wrong – “Immature... unstatesmanlike... puerile... poorly judged... not honourable in an international setting”. Just who do Gilmore, Quinn et all think they are on the world’s international stage? And who do anonymous “Irish Central Editorial” think they are???
I see a post I made in between that to joan1954 and the one below to Gearoid4 didn’t make it online, which throws my post to Gearoid4 out of place. I don’t have a copy of what I posted as it appeared online as ‘for review’ so I’ll try again, if not exactly with the same words...
BTW Gearoid4 - You mention ‘the unconvincing accusation’ by Kenny (he actually made three totally false statements in that speech). The accusations were factually torn to pieces by the Vatican in its response on 3rd September last... er, well they did so very diplomatically but there’s no mistaking the undertone crozier-lashing the Vatican gave Gilmore for those lies in their reply. Rednecks Gilmore and Kenny now also have very black eyes in the view of sniggering international diplomats. Jeeze! Will this Irish Govt ever learn??? They could just about save face by rescinding the decision.
@joan1954 – The building housing the Irish Embassy to the Vatican State, is a villa which is owned outright by the Irish people and actually lies outside Vatican City itself but just a short walk away. The Irish Embassy to the State of Italy is a rented building further east of it in Rome. The Vatican does not accept a single embassy building jointly housing representatives to two States e.g. Ireland to the Vatican State and Ireland to Italian State in one building (that goes for all countries having diplomatic relations with the Vatican), an age-old something to do with a possible clash of interests in case of States being at war. Still, as a compromise I suppose the Vatican could relent and accept Ireland’s two sets of ambassadorial staff to the Vatican and to Italy sharing the one building.
AengusOg - check out the NY Times today (Friday November 11). There you will find your picture of the president of Penn State. I saw it in the online version of the paper. Not sure about the print edition. The RC Church could learn a lot from the Penn State saga about excepting responsibility and trying to handle a situation.
@Mbernice _the RCC is to be held to a far higher standard of responsibiloity than that required by civil law. As for the Penn State scandal, all the guilty have yet to be identified, the president is gone but I have yet to see a picture of him, so the front men, with whom the public is familiar, will be pilloried while the rest may leave by the back door. These are parallel institutions.
In Pennsylvania, Penn State University is having it's own pedaphile scandle. This behavior is not limited to the Catholic Church. The PSU scandle has not complete come out, yet, but it is far worse, then the Catholic Chruch's scandle. PSU was also involved in the "Great Globle Warming Hoax" along with East Anglica University. These two scandle should mean the end of Penn State.
@ IAprincess- I'm w/ you 200%!!
This was a great moment for Ireland.
This was an immature and unstatesmanlike decision which the government of the Republic of Ireland think they can disingenuously fool people into believing was taken for "economic" reasons. The Irish mission to the Holy See is one of the oldest in the history of the Irish Free State. The decision to downgrade the Irish Ambassadorial role to the Vatican is nothing more than a puerile retaliatory measure based on an unconvincing accusation that Rome tried to interfere in an internal Irish child abuse inquiry. Seasoned diplomats in Rome from different countries have commented that it was a very poorly judged decision by the Republic and does not look very honorable in an international setting. It seems that the Irish Labour dog is wagging the Fine Gael dog on this and other matters.
In many ways i agree with mbernice but it is still to beseen if the Irish governement can move its emabassy to Italy onto it wholly owned embassy in the Vatican which is something I doubt because of the concordat signed in 1929. Does Eamon Gilmore and Enda Kenny forget that doing this will help his budget, he is wrong. The State of Italy and Vatican City are sovereign governments. The Vatican is not Italy. Whoever brought that hairbrained idea up needs to have his head examined? Ireland is deflecting its inadequate failures on what it alone should have done on the church. That is a problem with a "state" religion which Ireland had under Eamon DeValera and Cardinal John Charles McQuaid.
Why the f*ck do you split a very short news story across two web pages, forcing the reader to click a link to read the final four very short paragraphs? Is it to increase the appearance of web page hits at your website?
Yes indeed. Also I am proud of Penn State and how they are handling their child abuse issue. The Vatican could learn from them.
great idea to remove diplomacy from teh vatican. If we haev ambassadors to the RCC why not to Mecca and the home of the presbyterrians. Why is the RCC so special that they rate an embassy? they are once again showing their evil ways (remember the middle ages?). they just represent one form of religion, no better no worse than others. The words come from man (yes I know they say from god) but they are an interpretation of what happenned. So if they are just one more why the special priveledges? I say treat them all fiarly and the same way. But then we get into bigotry and some religions are this or that. They are businesses trying to capitalize on a story.




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