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Future without priests in Ireland if crisis continues says leading cleric

Average age is 64, elderly, and not being replaced, conference hears


Conference debates the Catholic Church in Ireland - Average age is 64,  elderly, and not being replaced
Conference debates the Catholic Church in Ireland - Average age is 64, elderly, and not being replaced
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The Association of Catholic Priests in Ireland said this week it has real concerns about the future of the Church. The group, which has 800 priests as members, has been outspoken on the need for change in the church in Ireland.

'At the moment the average age of priests in Ireland is 64,' Father Brendan Hoban, one of the senior clerics in the Association, told the Irish Examiner, adding that the numbers were dwindling and would continue to. 'Without priests there is no Eucharistic, without the Eucharist there is no Church,' he added.

'We are very, very worried about it - and we need to look at priesthood - what priesthood is supposed to do and how we can have priesthood for a new and different world.'

According to the Irish Examiner, over 1,000 people attended the 'Towards an Assembly of the Irish Catholic Church' conference in Dublin yesterday. The title of the conference, say organizers, underlined their aim, after two decades of abuse scandals, to find a new way forward for the Church in Ireland.

But the Association of Catholic Priests does not enjoy strong support from Rome. In fact, many of its members have faced strong criticism by the Vatican recently for publicly expressing views that contradict Church teachings.

Nonetheless, they say there is a widespread belief that the crisis in the Irish Church is deepening, a fact underlined by the recent BBC investigation which revealed that for years, Cardinal Sean Brady was aware of the abuses perpetrated by serial pedophile Father Brendan Smyth and failed to act, and so the conference was created to discuss these issues and the future direction of the Church, the Association said.

Lay Catholic Joe Mulvanney told how in his own parish of Dundrum in Dublin, which has 4,000 people “on the rolls” just 800 attend Mass every Sunday.

“The biggest number we have has walked away,” he said. As soon as the “wonderful” Vatican II was over “and all its 16 documents . . . ” it was “taken back from us”, he told the Irish Times.

One of the conference attendees was clerical abuse survivor Marie Collins, who told the Examiner that the recent revelations about Cardinal Brady's inaction over Father Smyth in the 1970s means that he cannot remain in his current position.

'That is the pity of the whole situation,' she said. 'That that man, who is the leader of our church, cannot see that there is anything morally wrong with his inaction in 1975. Whatever about how he acted or didn't act in 1975, I think his refusal at this point to even see or understand the morality of the whole issue is why he really should not be the head of our church.'


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IrelandNorth, in the US, pontificating about the country he left 30 years ago and calling it wrong. Your version of and vision of Ireland is nothing but a memory. Your prejudice a self-consuming hell.
Ecumenism comes of age in Ireland. Bythebay (BTB) - an Ulster Presbyterian(?) telling those pesky 'Yanks' that Ireland (another country?) will decide the fate of the Catholic Church in Ireland (excl. NI?) Now I know the Mayan doomsday scenario is accurate. (Beware 20/12/2012). Keep up the devils work, BTB! Drive that wedge between Ireland and Irish-America. You'll get your reward in hell! Apropos RC clergy - the problem is what a minority did (i.e. clerical child sexual abuse), and what a majority didn't do - i.e. stop it! Re. politics - socialism IS the paradigm democracy, (i.e. participatory over representative). "Catholic physician"(?). In cases of conflict of interest which predominates - theology or science? If a physician diagnoses/prognoses(?) us as part of "... the body of Jesus Christ", is this a case of the biology of theology? The physics of metaphysics? Despite there being a few good men (and women) in the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, the liklihood is that this 1,700 year religious reich is crumbling in a triumph of democracy over autocratic dictatorship and theological despotism. Open your minds - read the Gnostic Gospels!
@CIARADEXY & KATIEHERK - A one time regular blogger on IC, Father Tim once posted a Blog entitled "Would the last Priest to leave Ireland please turn out the lights" Now this would have been at one time a fanciful notion, but not so now. And whilst I dont believe that it will ever get to the point that there will be literally NO priests in Ireland, it is worth remembering that Ireland has had such an experience previously. The Historians will recall the hundred or so years of the Penal Laws in Ireland during which time the Catholic Church was effectively outlawed on the Island. At any one time there may have been as few as 40-50 priests in the country and few people got the chance to attend mass regularly. The faith survived in the hearts and minds of those for whom it mattered. That is still the case today.Faith in a loving God and a guiding Holy Spirit is as strong as ever. Faith in an Institution which has shown itself to be so inept and inadequate in so many ways is less so. "Where two or three gather in my name, I will be among you" is the promise that was made by Jesus. And that is why I am not and will not be afraid, even if the last Priest DOES switch of the light on the way out!!
loedkionline: Succinct,clear,truthful. It should be heeded.
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lokieonline: What you say about the institutional Catholic Church is spot on. But it won't get shattered until the critical thinkers get together and organize. It won't happen on its own. That's why I laud the priests' association. The old boys in the funny dresses won't give up without a hell of struggle. Let the games begin!
katie, the church in the Us will never fail because of the number of fundamentalists there but in ireland its on its way out and good riddens!
Jack-this site is full of racists complaining about migrants coming to ireland. Funny thing is, those with the issues arent irish theyre american!
Would it be better if the Catholic Church in Ireland went back to being the Celtic Church, as it was before it accepted the authority of Rome? Perhaps have more independence, but maintaining ties with the Pope, in a similar way that the Eastern Orthodox churches are independent, but recognise the overall authority of the Patriarch of Constatinople? If it did, perhaps then it could have more freedom to implement reforms, such as allowing women priests and married priests.
@gravedigger ; is that a racist comment ?
ireland verry soon wil seace to be a catholic country.with the large ammount of migrants entering here and having big families on welfare.leavs ireland on the brink of being over run by non europeans
Not to worry. By the time we run out of priests, there won't be any Catholics either. We'll all be elsewhere, at this rate.
This is the best news I've heard for a long time. The biggest number have not walked away, as Joe Mulvanney says in the article above. They were all alienated and driven away; The gays were told they were "defective and incapable of love" per Ratzinger; the women were told they could not be priests becaust Jesus didn't have any women apostles ( forget Mary Magdalen); the clergy were told they could not marry; those who disagreed were silenced (5 recently). And they wonder why there are no congregations anymore ! The Church is devoted to itself.....preserving its own power and wealth. It's that simple....and if protecting paedophiles has to be done they will do it, again and again. Let me quote Holden Caulfield: "Old Jesus would just puke."
One photograph of the "Assembly of the Irish Catholic Church" says a great deal. It's on the Irish Times site, with today's article entitled "Meeting hears calls for dialogue at all levels in Irish church." I couldn't see anyone in the audience who looks younger than 50, with the average age, I'd say, about the same as the Irish priests'. They look like they've been waiting a long time for the changes promised by Second Vatican Council.
Carroll09, what is the source of your claim that the number of young men in US seminaries is increasing? In any case, that number is only one side of the equation. I've quoted this before from the 1/6/12 article in the NY Times on interviews by Rev. D. Paul Sullins: "At least 25,000 Americans have left the [Catholic] priesthood since 1970, Father Sullins says. Many of them expected the church to lift the celibacy rule, but when they realized the rule was staying, they left and got married. Twenty-five thousand former priests—-in a country with fewer than 40,000 priests today. Celibate or not, all Catholics can do the math." Add to that the number removed because they're pedophiles who enter seminary to find situations where they can prey on children (unless RC officials continue to cover up for them, as looks likely). The "authentic" Catholicism you want, which should have died during the middle ages, drives priests out; the ACP's proposed reforms would open up the priesthood, make it uncomfortable for pedophiles, and bring the faithful back into the pews and the sacristy. If the ACP is "misguided," so are the majority of Irish Catholics. See the survey "Contemporary Catholic Perspectives" for that correlation. It's your view, not the ACP's, that is clearly the minority view--and the reason why the Church is failing in Ireland and the US.




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