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Diarmuid Martin slams Irish Americans sentimentality

Says Boston Cardinal O’Malley’s Irish roots irrelevant to solving crisis


Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin
Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin
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In an interview with the Boston Globe, Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin discussed Cardinal Sean O’Malley’s assignment to assess the clergy abuse crisis in the Irish Catholic church and assist the church in its response.

He also made some controversial comments about Irish Americans.

The Archbishop said he had no relatives in the United States, which he admits is unusual for an Irish person.

“So I have no feeling for Irish-Americanism. I don’t understand it . . . American sentimentalism for a country they don’t know, it’s not my dish,” he said.

“… I’m in no way anti-American. I like the United States and I had a lot of dealings in my past on a professional level with the church and politics. I would have known a lot of American diplomats, and senior American diplomats. I have a lovely photograph of Hillary Clinton — not only a signed one, but with a message.”

When asked if Cardinal Sean O’Malley’s Irish roots helped him understand the Irish church Martin disagreed.

“That might insult him . . . In fact, coming to Ireland and playing the Irish-American card can actually be — today, there would be a certain amount of skepticism. I remember a man saying to me one day in Rome, he said, ‘Goodbye now, and begorra.’ I think he thought he was being nice. But ‘begorra’ is the sort of thing you see in the American-Irish leprechaun films. We don’t say ‘begorra.’

He’s an American churchman, I’m an Irish churchman . . . What we have in common is not our Irishness, it’s our Catholicity. And both of us, we’re doing the same job.

O’Malley, who was appointed by the Pope as Visitor to Dublin, has had experience dealing with clerical abuses in the United States. Regarding Cardinal O’Malley’s visitation to Dublin, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin had this to say: “I believe we still have a great need to waken up people in the Irish church. There’s a lot of burying heads in the sand. And there’s a real danger that the child sexual abuse, because it’s so difficult to deal with, it could become a way for people not to face the very serious issue about what we’re supposed to be doing. . . The dangers is, in times of trouble and pressure, the temptation is, ‘Let’s stick to the old show, we know the rules, they worked in the past.’... But we’re gone beyond that stage. Now, I didn’t say the church of Ireland had gone beyond the brink of collapse.”

When asked about his relationship with the priests in his own archdiocese, he said, “I think the one thing that priests would say is that in managing this particular crisis, with one or two moments, they would say that they were lucky they had a person who was able to deal with it.

“I mean, laypeople stop me on the street and say to me the most aggressive things, like, ‘Keep at it! Knock them down! Don’t take any nonsense from them!’ Extraordinarily strong things. ‘We’re behind you!’ . . . I think that the practically unconditional collaboration I gave to the Murphy Report (a government commission’s investigation of abuse in the archdiocese of Dublin) — I think people said, and I think most priests would say, ‘It had to be done, and you did it, and you did it the right way.’ But I don’t want to be talking about myself. “

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GEORGEDILLON, "I have an uncle in Ireland, do you know him?" Made me blow tea out my nose! LOL. I AM watching for an opportunity to use the word "begorra" as well, but I think one only says such things to Catholic Priests, and I don't know any....
It's great to see Maureen Turlish contributing to comments. I wonder what her views are on the Archbishop's "confession" that most abusers are not remorseful and the connection between narcissim and grandiosity. It's pretty obvious, to me anyway.
away you go, call it what you like. a spade is still a spade.
I'm going to call bullshit on this one.
@hancock -no I didn't get his name. After a nine hour flight, with two small children , the last thing I wanted to do was argue with any immigration officer with the power to ruin my holiday.
@ancavker I lived in France for a while, it doesn't make me French.I went to Cuba on holiday , I am not Cuban either.i like pizza , that wont make me Italian. I was born in Ireland, so I am Irish. You, if I understand correctly, were born in America, that makes you an American.No amount or referring to "The Auld Sod" or "The HomeLand"or chieftains music listening will change that. Basically Your American that likes to listen to Irish music and visit from time to time.
expatrick: Still waiting for a reply to my comment below. If it is OK for the Irish in Ireland to latch on to all of that, and they do not live in England or the U.S., why is is a problem that Irish-Americans latch on as you say to Irish culture.So the Irish in Ireland don't want it,but we cannot have it either?
I have never used that begorrah business and I have never heard anyone in me family utter it. I am an American and I do find his remarks blatantly generalizing. NOONE has more fight for the Irish culture than me as an IRISH-American. We aren't all a bunch of wankers that pull our Celtic card out when it is St.Padraig's day. WE have argueably done our bit for Ireland collectively on par with many of our families on the island. No one would scream Tiocfaidh Ar La, and smack Margaret Thatcher in the face faster than myself. I AM IRISH, Martin,..you sanctimonious bastard!
Realy? An American immigration officer asked a 3 year old if he was in the IRA? Did you get his name and report him? You don't seem the type to take that begorra stuff laying down.
How does slighting your own ethnic group go hand in hand with priests who have molested innocent children? Can Irish Americans have sentimentality about their own culture? Do you believe there is such a group of people in American that consider themselves Irish American? It seems the census does... Can you imagine a Rabbi from Israel saying the same thing about Jewish people in America? What they do have in common is their Irish Catholicism... Irish Catholics are estimated at around 30 million and their are 70 million Catholics... that makes Irish Catholics roughly 42% of the American Catholic church.... Stop dividing our cultures and our people bring us together as a people of shared blood, history, family and spirituality... and let the priests marry and go to pre-ordained sexual therapy
@GeorgeDillon- you seem to like calling people liars. you would lose your bet. my 3 year old son was jokingly asked by an american immigration officer "are you a member of the IRA Begorra". That was before the year 2001. i guess they dont joke about terrorism any more. PS. George .I traveled through Dublin airport last week.kept my shoes on. only ones taking them off were the people who forgot to take the change from their pockets and set off the scanner. American incidentally.
"I do find it annoying when someone says "Begorra". thinking they are funny. Or says "i have an uncle in Ireland, Do you know him?" I'd bet a hundred bucks that this poster expatrick has never heard either of these pieces of nonsense. He manufactures his own nonsense, and ascribes it to others. He's talking garbage--par for the course for many of the Irish. These Irish remind me of the character in Dylan's "Like A Rolling Stone". Now that the world has seen them for the impoverished dopes that they are, "Now they don't talk so loud, Now they don't seem so proud..."
hancock: "PS I have never heard a live person utter the word begorra". I guess that sews it up, because I've never heard a dead person say it either.
expatrick: I do not think you got my point at all. Except for the few years of prosperity, how exactly has it grown? You did not address any of my points. Oh and by the way, not grandparents, but parents. Not to mention I lived there,and I still have a place there.
@ancavker - you got my point exactly. The Ireland you all LOVE so much has grown beyond what your doting Irish grandparents would ever have dreamed possible. your opinion of Ireland is skewed by those rose coloured glasses most of you wear.




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