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British riots have important lessons for Ireland and US

Not just about race issues but have and have-nots


London riots 2011
British riots have important lessons for Ireland and US

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London: There is a lot of overheated and even hysterical media coverage about the situation here in London. Equally, some media coverage, including that of the BBC, has been astonishing in its patronizing complacency and its stereotypical assumptions about race and class. Yet this phenomenon is complex and multi-stranded and reflects deep underlying stresses in British society today.

There are many very marginalized public housing estates in the Greater London area and across Britain, with a legacy of bad relations between police and the local community going back decades, but also with a history of  poor provision of support services, high rates of unemployment and a range of related social problems. Generally these are black areas; Britain is not a fully integrated society.

The current spate of incidents exploded following the killing last week by armed police of Mark Duggan, in circumstances which are as yet unexplained. Mr Duggan, a black man, grew up on the Broadwater Farm Estate in Tottenham, the same place where, in 1985, PC Colin Blakelock, the first policeman to be killed in a riot in Britain since 1833, was shot following a series of incidents including the death of an Afro-Caribbean woman, Cynthia Jarrett, from a stroke, during a robust police search of her home.

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So far, so predictable. Are the current events in London ‘race-related’? It’s not that simple. Anyone who has seen footage of the looters and rioters who have taken to the streets in the past three days and nights will have noticed that a good number of them were white. As one tweet acidly put it 'The Youth of the arab spring rise up for basic freedoms. TheYouth of London rise up for a HD ready 42" Plasma TV. Something more complicated is going on, hardly captured by the simplistic term ‘criminality’, used by PM David Cameron, even though much of the behaviour has been criminal.

It’s summertime and there is nothing to do. Britain is a society marked by a huge and increasing gap between haves and have-nots in this consumerism-obsessed society, where social services have been relentlessly run down and youth unemployment is at an all-time high at more than 20%.  Political life has stagnated, which may be one reason why the frustration of some people is being expressed through such means as an avowedly violent anarchist wing of the British student movement. These are the  people who ‘break away’, as the media reports always put it, from peaceful demonstrations and proceed to attack iconic buildings or monuments or individuals thought to be particularly representative of the state.  It is difficult to believe that such ideologically driven individuals played no role in the looting and mayhem of the past three days.

It’s a bit ironic that the methods the British used in the Northern  Ireland for so many years are not considered to be acceptable here  – no water cannon, plastic bullets, baton charges, snatch squads or tear gas. I’m not saying they should have been. The principle of ‘policing by consent’ is a far better one. The ‘Rotterdam Charter’ on policing for a multi-ethnic society embodies the principle that any police force, in its structure, should reflect the society it polices – as we see nowadays with the PSNI.  For a variety of reasons, the London police undeniably lost control in the past few days (cutbacks are relevant  as well). The people who have lost their businesses in the riots are mostly members of ethnic minorities themselves – small Asian shopkeepers and restaurant owners who have lost everything. Some of the interviews with them on local radio here have been heartbreaking.

It doesn’t have to be like this and there is another, more benign, side to British society. The place where I am staying here is perfectly quiet. It's a mixed council estate, the majority of which is still tenanted, but with a good number of owner-occupiers. The area around (Archway, North London) is very mixed - Asian, black and white - slightly shabby but lively, with a mix of everything from Turkish grocers to Irish pubs. There are very upmarket houses in Highgate, minutes away. The friend who has lent her place to me while she is on holidays says there have been occasional problems with disruptive adolescents but nothing serious; relations with the police are good. The neighbours are friendly and, looking at the numerous children playing around the place, I don't see any sign of segregation on grounds of race.

Professor Mary Hickman, of London Metropolitan University, is Britain’s best-known expert commentator on the Irish in Britain. She has also carried out extensive research on integration in British society. Her work confirms a key point: it’s all about the local. Two of the six sites she and her team studied, Kilburn and Downham, a part of Lewisham, were opposite cases. In Lewisham, where there was a lot of trouble during the riots this week, community relations are poor.

Kilburn, traditionally an area of Irish immigration, is very mixed nowadays - English, a lot of older Irish, younger Asian, recently arrived West Africans. But relations are generally good, largely because people work hard, at local level, at building good connections. This doesn’t have to mean that people will only live with people with whom they believe they share common values, as long as they are willing and able to conduct a dialogue and to decide for  themselves what kind of interactions they wish to have with one another.

People in Ireland and in the US may think all this is irrelevant, but I beg to differ. The fissures in British society today may be partly racial, but they are also social. The gap between rich and poor, in Ireland as much as in Britain and indeed the US , has become intolerably wide. We are all being asked to ‘tighten our belts’, social services, education and health are being cut back, but those who are seen as having perpetrated the crisis which has befallen us have not suffered by comparison. The current British riots do show that Britain is not yet integrated, socially or racially. It would be foolish for people in Ireland or the US to feel they are doing any better.

Piaras Mac Einri is an immigration expert and lectures at University College Cork.




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muchas gracias themurphia. I'm no problem with disagreements! best
OK It is not acceptable to accuse you of being a FF supporter ...! People have enough **** to deal with in their lives...It is my experience that people are so used to dealing with hostility that what really disarms them is politeness/kindness...However sometimes that would require the patience of Job...Sometimes it feels like dealing with kids...teaching them boundaries etc...Hopefully there will be less personal abuse in future...it is tiresome to read and stifles debate/craic...as in the real world the bullies prevail and the quieter people who often have the most interesting things to say retreat...It was nice to have a little light hearted banter on IC recently...! All the best...!
the0murphia: fair enough, but I disagree. If you look back over the comments these people have made about pieces of mine you'll find they are ad hominem, without exception, abusive and false - I'm accused of being everything from a rack-renting landlord, to someone who profiteers from 'mass immigration' to a supporter of Fianna Fail. These two (WK and GD) have form - look for yourself. As I say, I have a name and a location: I don't hide behind anything. Personally I'd much rather have a civil debate, as we are used to in this country, and I'm prepared to accept your good faith. I'm not a professional journalist and never described myself as an immigration expert - that's how IC captioned the piece. So I'm going to stand against the groupthink here and say that I stand over my views. I find it extraordinary that you could say that 'wk did not make a personal attack on you' - 'slum landlord'? - seems kind of personal to me!
maceineri:WK did not made a personal attack on you he criticised what you had written...you on the other hand have responded with an outburst of vitriole against him...so I think your explanation a little disingenuous... Perhaps on reflection you accept you have responded in the heat of the moment...it certainly seems disproportionate...at least to an objective reader...I find the personally gratuitous comments by contributors on this site wholly inappropriate however since it seems to be acceptable to IC I suppose it's a case of when in Rome etc...!
The riots are nothing more than anarchist gone crazy..there will always be haves and have nots in the world..most of the time if one is willing to work,you can make a decent living..In America, we have entitlemeyoungnts that are strangling the economy,mainly because there are people recieving them that don't qualify..such as young people who are perfectly able to work,and don't,druggie and illegals...the subsidies were intended to help the truly poor,elderly and physical and mentally handicap. Fraud is rampant,but no one wants to cut back on these subsidies...so it grows into "GOVERNMENT SLAVERY". The reasons these rioters give is lame and most likely a lie,it seems they are just wanting riot and pillage. Most ancharist hurt their own people more than anyone else..so they are nothing more than thugs out of control.
Macenri or whatever other moniker he uses on this site thinks we should not challenge him on his bigotry. After all, he tells us, he's an "expert on immigration"!!! Won't work, macenri. If you use hatefilled language (on another thread you used the "wacist" slur, because I expressed solidarity with the majority of people in Ireland, who when polled oppose Mass Immigration into their country) I and others will certainly confront you. This is not a game in which the rules are you can use all the dirty slurs that fall out of your mouth while the rest of us kowtow before you. That may work in Ireland, where people like you have been able to stifle all debate on the settlement of the country by foreigners, but it won't work here. You probably have never heard of the First Amendment--look it up. I'll give you a bit of advice. If you want to stop looking like a bigoted jerk who needs to wash out his mouth start, debating rationally. Begin by telling us how you personally profit by Mass Immigration. Are you a slum landlord in Ireland who rents out homes to immigrants? Does your livelihood depend on importing foreign migrants into Ireland?
WK's criticism is of the jounalsim not a gratuitous ad hominem attack unlike the so called 'professional' journalist...!
@themurphia: with respect I think you're missing the point here. If you look, for instance, at JimCork's points below, you'll see that he and I disagree - in fact we are probably poles apart although I think his criticisms are fair and sharp. But there was nothing personal about his criticism and I'm a big boy. In fairness to IrishCentral I should also say that I'm not one of their writers: I wrote an op/ed piece, without payment, and Niall O'Dowd and his people are not answerable in any way for it: only I am. My problem with the people I criticised is not that they disagree with my views: it's with the extraordinarily abusive, vituperative and personalised nature of their attacks. I think I'm entitled to defend myself against abuse from people I don't even know and who know nothing about me and who insist on misrepresenting my views in a bizarrely inaccurate way. I don't even know who these guys are> One of the privileges of the internet is that anyone can say anything under the cloak of anonymity, but that privilege can be abused. Maybe there is a difference between European and American culture here - I honestly don't know. I think people who have views - of whatever persuasion - should step up to the plate and identify themselves, unless they live in a place where their lives would be endangered. In my case I'm a known individual - anyone who likes can find me at http://www.ucc.ie. Best
Wounded Knee: Seems you 'wounded' him...'...you guys are good for a laugh - cheap shots (no comment!) from the sidelines are always easier than hard work...' Now we know what IC writers think of their readers...If you don't want comments/criticsm then don't write for an onine comments page...! Simples...!
Blimey...!
Hey WoundedKnee - have you and GeorgeDillon ever been seen in the same place at the same time? Your asinine, ignorant and inaccurate views seem remarkably similar. And if you knew anything about journalism, which you obviously don't, you'd know that the headline is the sub-editor's, not mine. Still, you guys are good for a laugh - cheap shots from the sidelines are always easier than hard work, especially from cowards who don't even tell us who they are. My name is out there and I stand over my views: you guys lurk in the shadows like the cowards you are and snipe. Get a life.
Macenri's article is very poorly written, isn't it? Poor level of analysis, and full of cliches (is that kind of mediocrity the norm in Ireland now?). And the headline--"important lessons for Ireland and US"--sure fails to deliver. The writer gives us ZERO lessons worth noting. He obviously doesn't have any profound insights to offer.
The conduct of the feral elements of Society is not that they are disengaged etc it is that they over identify with the culture of greed the legacy of Thatcher's Britain... They aspire to the type of 'Society' they read..using the term in it's loosest possible sense...about in the Murdoch media...obscene immoral unaccountable...a celebrity *bling* life style cannot be funded by ordinary jobs... hence the descent into drug and gangsterism...the 'get what you want by whatever means necessary' culture... Against a backdrop of bad or no parenting...single parent households multiple different fathers kids having kids no authority figures in the home no concept of right and wrong...no boundaries...out of control kids...This is not about a lack of jobs and opportunity these kids/young people are not ideologues...they reject authority education and work opportunities and seem to value nothing other than consumerism...If they were concerned about lack of jobs why burn down other peoples work places...? Growing up as an immigrant I was made to understand the value of education...the opportunities it could afford... However the thing that really grounded me was that I did not want to do anything to hurt or bring shame on my mother and father...They raised a large family on precious little...their children all obtained professional jobs and own their own homes...I hope they thought they'd done a good job...I am not materialistic and have no lust for money or possessions I cannot therefore understand why anyone would think such things worth burning peples homes places of work or taking someone's life.
a few innaccuracies in this report - social services have not been run down - the Labour government was obsessed with being big brother and state interference - the family unit has broken down and social services stick their oars in more than ever enforcing state sanctioned morals (ie there are tens of thousands of kids taken into care and no foster carers for them because of all the red tape - prime example the old black Christian couple in England who have successfully fostered 15 kids over recent decades but have been deemed unfit to be foster carers because their evangelical (Pentecostal) Christian views on homosexuality - hence some kid left in a care home instead of a loving foster home). Second point the Police Service of Northern Ireland have stated that water cannon would be of no use to the police in England for the type of rioting we are seeing which is small fast moving gangs as opposed to large static crowds where water canon and plastic bullets (baton rounds) are operationally useful. What would have been useful is the French police tactic of spraying rioters with dye to help identify them - turning up to work or the dole office with a blue face.....
Ifeel sorry for the businesses that scrimp and saved to keep a business going in this age . It is sad that these young people could not just march down the street every day and try to be heard this way. They might have gotten a little respect for doing it this way. Yes we are all frustrated over what the gov. has done to its people. And it is happening all over the world. WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!! But will they listen. Sad thing is no one wants to take the responsibility for what’s going on. Yes these are probably dysfunctional children with not a care in the world. Parents can't afford to have them and they then feel deprived. They were never taught that other people have feelings. They are only concerned about theirs. When I heard a 13 year old videoed a situation I asked why was a 13 yr old out at the wee hours in the morning? I feel there has been greed in people with high paying jobs and they take from the ones who have no jobs to go to. Let’s take a cut in pay and build jobs for the youth.




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