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75,000 Irish to emigrate next year as unemployment continues to rise

Leading think-tank warns of slow recovery

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ANTOINETTE KELLY,
IrishCentral Staff Writer
Published Thursday, December 1, 2011, 7:32 AM
Updated Thursday, December 1, 2011, 10:30 AM

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Over the coming year another 75,000 will leave Ireland
Over the coming year another 75,000 will leave Ireland
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Tens of thousands of Irish are expected to leave the country next year as a result of the continuing euro zone crisis, a leading think-tank has warned.
 
The Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) has warned that their forecast for 2012 is worse than previously thought, due to the ongoing global economic recession.
 
They advised that unemployment and emigration will continue to grow next year. They estimate working numbers will drop from 1,807,000 to 1,785,000, a drop of 22,000. An estimated 75,000 people are expected to emigrate.
 
They predict that the homegrown economy will grow less than one percent, almost half of what they had estimated in their previous quarterly report.
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David Duffy, co-author of the ESRI report, warned that Ireland will more than likely have difficulty repaying the EU/IMF rescue deal.
 
"For the forecast period that we are looking at - 2011 and 2012 - we should meet our targets," he said.
 
"But beyond that it depends on the international environment and if that continues to deteriorate, then that would make meeting our targets more difficult.
 
"Ultimately, it's what happens internationally that will determine the outcome for Ireland."
 
In November the unemployment rate in Ireland increased 0.1 percent to 14.5 percent, the latest figures from the Central Statistics Office show.

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sirpeter | Dec 05, 2011, 06:28 PM EST
Georgie Boy.Read this!!The Japanese are grudgingly acknowledging that their long-cherished sense of ethnic homogeneity may be untenable under the forces of globalization and changing domestic needs,including an aging population and growing labour shortages.Despite the widespread image that Japan, until recently, had hardly been touched by immigration, the country actually experienced sizable inflows of people from abroad.The number of visa overstayers, who comprised the bulk of immigrant workers, grew from 100,000 in 1990 to 300,000 in 1993, and stood at around 207,000 as of January 2005. They have come mostly from other Asian countries, such as Korea, China, the Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia.As the Japanese gradually and grudgingly open their country to foreigners, they have felt the positive and negative impacts of the growing presence of foreign communities.They are beginning to realize they cannot escape the consequences of border-crossing forces of globalization.The Japs can't seem to keep the door shut either Georgie Boy.So you had better place them along side the other governments of fools and gangsters.

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GeorgeDillon | Dec 05, 2011, 01:09 PM EST
Doesn't take long for the Mass Immigrationists to show their racism, does it? OLoinsigh's reference to the need for the Irish to "widen their ‘gene pool’" is offensive racist garbage. Go back to your KKK or British National Front buddies, you Nazi creep OLoingsigh. I don't care what you say about me, as I think you're a fool, but it's pretty scary when you attack a respected journalist like O'Gorman. There's no depths to which the mad Mass Immigrationists won't stoop.

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GeorgeDillon | Dec 05, 2011, 12:19 PM EST
What OLoingsigh says is wrong. The point is not that successful economies attract migrants. The point is that it is a decision for a government as to whether to open the doors to migrants or tightly control access. A prudent government opts for the latter, a government of fools and gangsters chooses the former, as did the Irish government. (By the way OLoingsigh, no one I know supports an end to all Immigration. There has always been immigration into Ireland, though you probably didn't know that). I've been in successful economies such as Japan and South Korea. The number of immigrants in these places is quite small, and they are limited to supplying skills which the locals don't have. Hence someone who teaches English as a Foreign Language can migrate to Japan, but not someone who shines shoes for a living (contrast with Dublin--full of foreigners shining shoes).

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DanOLoingsigh | Dec 05, 2011, 02:31 AM EST
It’s a fact that successful economies attract immigrants, like magnets. It’s also a fact that the reason Ireland saw little immigration post-independence was due to the relative failure of successive governments to get the economy right. Ireland was one of the few European economies that continued to export people post-war. Then came the Tiger, and suddenly Ireland became a place people wanted to go to, and not just for the fishing. It was quite a shock to the system, and happened too quickly for some. Dynamic, successful economies need immigrants…and it’s a badge of success when they come. Ireland is still relatively under-populated for its size (larger than the Netherlands with 25% of the population). If Ireland is to build to the ‘critical mass’ of most successful economies, it needs more inward migration, not less. Who could be stupid enough to believe that after generations where we exported our ‘unwanted’, we could pull up some imaginary drawbridge when things improved? Bad news for the ‘ethnic purity brigade’, but from reading some of their posts, I reckon they could do with a little widening of their ‘gene pool’.

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TODufaigh | Dec 04, 2011, 06:32 AM EST
donegalcali: with respect, migrants come to Ireland to work. Under the 'habitual residence' rule, they are not even entitled to welfare.

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donegalcali | Dec 03, 2011, 11:31 PM EST
@George Dillon. We have had our tiffs here and im sure there will be more but your 100% right on this.

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donegalcali | Dec 03, 2011, 11:29 PM EST
It has nothing to do with race. There is nothing wrong with being concerned with mass emigration of indigenous people while mass immigration of foreign people. At least they are my own thoughts. I am strongly against welfare immigration> Irish people don't arrive in countries seeking help. Thats the difference. Irish culture is not encouraged. Multiculture has failed in most european countries, or at least the way they have tried it anyway. wake up. There is nothing wrong with questioning.

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sirpeter | Dec 03, 2011, 07:58 PM EST
IC. Any chance of a few bucks for educating the racists.I'll work for an immigrant wage.

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sirpeter | Dec 03, 2011, 07:48 PM EST
Georgie Boy.Don't ever go into gambling you would have lost your Social Security fund.If you want a big word competition I'm game.But Georgie Boy you are not in high school any more.Sophisticated words don't impress me very much.I take those words as part of the English language.That's the basics Georgie Boy.It's the content of your comments Georgie Boy.That gets you the marks here.See Georgie you're not very bright.I know this to be an absolute truth.You equate education with intelligence.Oh! soooo wrong.Maybe in the U.S.A if you have a college degree it's worth something because you need money to get one in the first place.But in Ireland college degrees are a dime a dozen.I should know I employ 30 people but it's no thanks to my college degree.Still I look well holding it in the pic on the wall.See it's relatively cheap to get a degree here.Our government says all must have an opportunity to further their education without having to go to Iraq.Broken32 is not very good at spelling.But I think he would put up a better argument orally.To know ones weakness and admit it is intelligence.Dumb as fu*k on a forum though.But to be honest Georgie and this is a fact you have no writing style.It's flat,unimaginative,repetitive prose.It's crap Georgie.Your writing efforts is like painting by numbers.You can't think outside the box.To be a good racist you have to inspire people.

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sirpeter | Dec 03, 2011, 06:42 PM EST
Broken32.You are going to have to listen.The Irish people are NOT GOING to get a vote on immigration.Free movement of people is the way of the future in the EU.What you are saying is Irish people can move to other countries but nobody can move to Ireland.That makes no sense because we have surplus of educated people who can't be expected to live on welfare until things get better.England at the moment wants 175,000 new immigrants a year to boost the economy.Some people will complain about immigrants but if you take to the streets they will arrest you.Irish culture by way of Music and Games is very strong in Ireland and as TODufaigh has said Riverdance brought Irish culture to the world in a big way.Why? Because it is enjoyable and has something to offer.90% of Americans are descendents of immigrants.Do Americans get a vote.You're talking bullsh*t because it's not going to happen.I live in Ireland and I don't see an immigrant problem.BTW GAA is played in most Irish schools and the kids of the immigrants do play.I have seen them.Why wouldn't they play they are going around with white kids and hurling and football are great games.You are arguing for the impossible and that makes you a bit of a fool.It's the Irish/English/American ect people who are employing them not the government.Try and get yourself elected and see how far you get.The people might complain but at the end of the day.They say live and let live.You see Broken32 it's you're in the minority otherwise alot more anti-immigration politicians would be in government.Now that's reality.

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awoken32 | Dec 03, 2011, 04:18 PM EST
everyone can read your answer an make their own minds up,its useless having this conversation with you,we will see what happens i suppose

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awoken32 | Dec 03, 2011, 04:17 PM EST
TODufaigh do you in live in ireland? there is no mass immigration into ireland? are you mental,ireland has been flooded in the past ten years,we have to build new schools all over the shop to deal with this problem,are you not blind can you not look around you? and as for been on the left,the lefties are the ones that have ruined ireland fianna fail fianna gael are all lefties

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awoken32 | Dec 03, 2011, 04:00 PM EST
So your answere is NO,that you would support and deny the rights of the irish people to have a say in their own country,which ever way you dress it up,you would deny the people that right,atleast your honest about it eh,you an your human kind,in order to speak of the human kind,first you have to study the nature of humans and pack mentality,and power majority you never read any history no?about populations being wiped out,shocking doh you would actualyy deny the right of the irish to have a say in there own country,you have no right to even claim to be irish,your nothing but a traitor on your own people,id like to debate that matter with you someday,you really are so gullible it beggars beleif,what a sickening answer cant beleive you discontent for your own people,but there ye go,thats why you are the minority,its because of views like that

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TODufaigh | Dec 03, 2011, 03:23 PM EST
This has nothing to do with 'democracy'. We all live on one planet and the Irish, more than most, should know that if we expect to travel freely and settle where we will, then others have the same right. Cultures thrive, survive or die, not because of immigrants but because of their own inherent vibrancy. Riverdance, anyone? It's not my kind of music but it does prove that a 'minority' culture can have a big impact. I don't think any of you guys are really 'left-wing'. People on the left believe in the universal brotherhood/sisterhood of humankind. There is no 'mass immigration' into Ireland - and none of you has addressed this - and those people who are here will fit in, just like the Irish in the USA, Argentina, Australia, Britain, France or the various other places they have gone

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awoken32 | Dec 03, 2011, 03:05 PM EST
If the we did have a vote on the matter,an the peole said sure lets have mass immigration,even doh i did not like it,i wouldnt or couldnt say anything about it no matter what,as my people have spoken an that would be that,i know im representing a lot of people here,im not talking about destroying any other culture here,just so thats perfectly clear,im just saying that my people should be allowed have a say in their own country,its not only a democratic right its a human rights issiue,i have freedom of speech an i will make my point,no matter what false slander i get for speaking out on the issiue,fair is fair

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