Will Rory McIlroy declare for Britain or Ireland in 2016 Olympics? -- Both Irish and British likely to claim golf’s hottest superstar
By: Sean O'Shea | Published Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 12:32 AM | Updated Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 12:32 AM
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| Northern Irish world champion golfer Rory McIlroy |
He is the hottest golfer on the planet, but already the question is being asked; who will Rory McIlroy play for in the 2016 Olympics when golf is included for the first time?
As a Catholic reared in Northern Ireland, Rory has come under intense scrutiny for his political views.
His grand uncle was murdered in The Troubles by Loyalist paramilitaries but McIlroy has never discussed it.
McIlroy has avoided all political discussion. The only incident of note came when some nationalists claimed he brushed off an Irish tricolor that was thrown at him after his 2011 win at the US Open but the video is inconclusive to say the least.
His compatriot and fellow golf major winner Graeme McDowell, who is a Protestant, gets no such scrutiny as it is widely accepted he will play with Britain.
But Rory will have a more difficult decision to make. Catholic athletes in the main declare for the Irish Republic but Rory has made it clear he considers himself Northern Irish first and his website reflects that with the red hand of Ulster flag.
But does he think of himself as more British than Irish? That will be the big question come 2016 when he should be on top of the world.
Just two years ago when asked, Rory said it would be Great Britain and Northern Ireland if he made the cut. But in 2008 he played for Ireland in the golf World Cup.
But more recently he says he doesn't know.
"Basically, if I am going to be very honest, which I usually am, whatever I say is going to upset someone," he said. "So I may as well just say I don't know and wait until four or five years' time, whenever I have to make a decision."
He holds a British passport and it is unknown if he has an Irish one.
He has succeeded in making his religion a non-issue – most Northern Irish people know which religion someone is right away --- but for many years people were unsure of what religion McIlroy was.
A New York Times profile of him by Niall Stanage referred to that very fact, saying it was an extraordinary achievement by McIlroy in his own right in having both sides cheer equally for him.
Fellow major winner Padraig Harrington may have had it right when he suggested Rory definitely declare for Britain, thereby making room for another Irish guy on the Irish team.
"I’m fascinated with all this conversation about who we declare for. If Rory and Graeme declare for Great Britain, it means we get two more Irish guys into it. So if somebody wants Rory to be as Irish as he can be, he better declare for GB and we get two more guys in."
Sounds like a plan for a lot of people.
His agent says Rory is no hurry to deal with it. "Rory hasn't even thought about the 2016 Olympics," said Conor Ridge, "It's four years away and God knows where he's going to be in his career at that time.
"He's 23 now and will be 27 when Rio comes round, so it's not even something to discuss at this stage," said Ridge of the Dublin sports management firm Horizon, which represents McIlroy and Graeme McDowell.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.norm2012 | Sep 08, 2012, 01:21 AM EDT
here we go again, same repetitive tabloid journalism from irish central and the same stupid repetitive comments. seems like they put this same article up every month.
warrenpoint00 | Aug 16, 2012, 06:36 PM EDT
Of course the UNeill,s were not kings Fergan.The Proud Shane a king (ha,ha now thats funny)warriors certainly. Kings and queens were and are products of the mindset of the foreign british invader..The UNeill clan were merely every day folks just like us their descendants here in Ulster, trying to protect our way of life and our culture from that same maruding foreign british oppressor.Very simple. Uladh is Irish all nine counties of it as is the red hand of the province of Ulster, Sean O Shea you should know better.
citizen69 | Aug 16, 2012, 05:47 PM EDT
Wrong again misneac... Ulster rugby players do not play for Ireland "when it suits". Ireland is the ONLY national team they play for. As for your other stupid statement about McIlroy, you only have to do a Google image search to see Rory wearing green several times in the last year or so while playing in tournaments.
misneac | Aug 16, 2012, 02:12 PM EDT
Citizen69 obviously does not know how golf is administered in Ireland . All amateur golf on the island of Ireland is governed by the Golfing Union of Ireland (GUI) . Every member of a club contributes annually to the GUI .These monies are used in part to coach promising golfers ,male and female .Where they come from does not matter ,so it is nonsense to state that the Ulster Branch solely paid to coach Mc Ilroy ,we all contributed .No golfer in England contributed a single pound/euro ! My main point is that these people in Northern Ireland play rugby /golf for "Ireland " when it suits . You will note also that Mc Ilroy never wears any golf gear with the colour green ! Like all of them he is British when he wins ,and Irish when he loses .
citizen69 | Aug 16, 2012, 01:33 AM EDT
@EamonnDublin: I was merely replying to Misneac who was suggesting that Ireland had spent a lot of money on getting Rory to where he is today, and that somehow he is biting the hand that fed him, which is nonsense.
Fergananim | Aug 15, 2012, 11:32 PM EDT
@warrenpoint00 - just for the record, not a single member of the Uí Néill were kings of Ulad. Its rulers were members of the Dál Fiatach and Dál nAraidi, who were deadly enemies of the Uí Néill.
Fergananim | Aug 15, 2012, 11:24 PM EDT
@curtisjohnson - how old, exactly? And what exactly does it symbolise?
curtisjohnson | Aug 15, 2012, 09:40 PM EDT
Yes, the red hand is a much more ancient cultural symbol than anything else which survives in Europe. It pre-dates not only the contrived "britain" monstrosity but also the anglo-saxons invasions from Germany.
warrenpoint00 | Aug 15, 2012, 09:17 PM EDT
To Gregshox. Your history lesson.RE The flag of Ulster proud province of Ireland. Our flag bears the symbol of all the Uneill clan not just Aodh.As guardians of Uladh for centuries the Uneill are entited to that symbolic right.The flag of Ulster red hand and all is ALL Irish it has absolutely nothing in common with british , it has been there in time long, long before the british invader.Sean O shea take note please.
BrianO | Aug 15, 2012, 03:17 PM EDT
I'm confused this article has an Irish interest as its base.
EamonnDublin | Aug 15, 2012, 03:11 PM EDT
"Citizen69" - Reducing the question of Rory McIlroy's representing Ireland or the UK down to MONEY??!!?? That's in extremely bad taste! Next you'll be asking your Mum for $5,000 in order that you say that you are her son, instead of somebody else's son. Have a bit of decorum, my good man! Éamonn, Dublin.
EamonnDublin | Aug 15, 2012, 03:05 PM EDT
"Murph46" - thanks for response. BTW, I wasn't being "peculiar" or getting at you. I was just making the point that when one is actually from a geographical area/country, then one does indeed care what others call it, especially when there is a political reason behind it. You followed the norm - you are indifferent to what different parts of Britain/Ireland are actually called, but it seems to have scratched the surface when part of the United States' pedigree is called into question - because you are FROM the USA, or living in it. Because writing/reading is different to face to face chat, I want to make it abundantly clear that I am not taking you to task, just making the point as to why we care. Best Wishes - and enjoy your visit when you're here. Éamonn, Dublin.
Fergananim | Aug 15, 2012, 02:53 PM EDT
Hopefully he'll be a credit to himself and his people, whichever passport he chooses to use.
citizen69 | Aug 15, 2012, 12:32 PM EDT
@Misneac: So how much money did the Republic of Ireland put into Rory McIlroy? None! You make it sound like money from the four corners of Ireland was diverted north to coach Rory. He was coached by his dad and later by the Holywood club Professional in Northern Ireland, which his family paid for. IF there was any money paid towards training of coaching staff at Holywood G.C. by the GUI it would have come from the local Ulster Branch. SO what makes you think he owes any debt to Team Ireland?
Murph46 | Aug 15, 2012, 12:13 PM EDT
EamonDublin-I accept your 100,000 welcomes,but might disagree with your colinization by Mexicans,that seems to be a Brit word! Ha!
DanOLoingsigh | Aug 15, 2012, 08:36 AM EDT
Just as Team Ireland is the 'brand name' for the Olympic team of Éire/Ireland, as it's known these days...
DanOLoingsigh | Aug 15, 2012, 07:07 AM EDT
Team GB is the 'brand name' for the Olympic Team of GB and NI, PLUS the Isle of Man, the Channel Islands (Which are not part of GB or UK) and UK Overseas Territories - so Team UKIOMCIOT anybody?
IrelandNorth | Aug 15, 2012, 06:11 AM EDT
Posters will note that there was no Team UK (United Kingdom) and/or Team NI (Northern Ireland). Only Team GB (Great Britain) and/or Team Ireland, a concrete recognition of geographical and insular realities. Rory is an Anglo-Saxon transliteration of the Gaelic name Ruadhrí (Rooa-ree), translating as Red King - ie redhead rather than communist! (A communist monarch being somewhat of an oxymoron!) What England, Wales, Scotland and/or Ireland (or any part therof) are collectively called is the whole crux of the problem - since 1776, 1800 and/or 1922 restropectively. NB visitors from Texas, Old Mexico(?) Ruadhrí has as many options as there are entities on these islands. He can either play for Team Ireland - Team GB - both or neither. At the end of the day, it's the same difference to most Iri$h R€publican$ and/or Briti$h £oyali$t$!
EamonnDublin | Aug 15, 2012, 05:43 AM EDT
"Murph46" - Céad Míle Fáilte when you come visit us! By the way, they tell me that parts of southern California and southern Texas, etc., are now colonialised by Mexicans. So it's OK with you if I refer to those parts as "Mexico", or "Greater Mexico"? No problem - just sayin'. Éamonn, Dublin.
norm2012 | Aug 15, 2012, 12:10 AM EDT
he's played in the world cup TWICE for ireland. his decision is already made. and when i threw my tri color at him in congressional last year, the cop next to him grabbed it and threw it back to me all in one motion, he, (rory) didn't even see it.
misneac | Aug 14, 2012, 09:48 PM EDT
Every time I see this guy playing I have mixed feelings ,like watching your Mother in Law driving over a cliff in your new BMW ! There is one Governing Body for Golf in Ireland ,the GUI . Every member playing golf in Ireland has contributed substantial money to coach the likes of Mc Ilroy .When they make good they piss off and play for England or the Great Britian teams .Just like the Rugby crowd ,if they cant get on the English team they are happy to prostitute themselves and play for Ireland ( see the bio of Davy Tweed B Special on a Monday having worn the green of Ireland on a Saturday in Landsdowne Road ! ) What a stupid nation we are to tolerate these people .Mc Ilroy was happy in the past to represent Ireland in amateur and professional events when he was not picked for England ,let him do the honest thing now and declare for Great Britian . You will also note that he never wears green when playing . He is entitled to do whatever he wishes ,we in the Republic of Ireland have also the right to tell him not to abuse our misplaced trust and support !
curtisjohnson | Aug 14, 2012, 09:04 PM EDT
@citizen69 - "british identity" lol. GregShox - to which Aodh Uí Néill are you referring?
cillowen | Aug 14, 2012, 07:22 PM EDT
danger lurks in decision
cillowen | Aug 14, 2012, 07:21 PM EDT
if he declares for the UKers as I feel he will - mit all that gold a-beckoning and avoidance of death threats by Orangers - his decision should be obvious.
MrSinatra | Aug 14, 2012, 04:54 PM EDT
let me clarify in my comments, that the flags are not the problem, but rather the person identifying with them.
GregShox | Aug 14, 2012, 04:48 PM EDT
Warrenpoint00, I'd like a history lesson too, please. When did Aodh Uí Néill, the defender of Ulster, leave Ireland, and when did he come back to some more defending? As a supplementary, was he defending the ordinary man, or protecting his own income as a huge landowner?
ancavker | Aug 14, 2012, 04:46 PM EDT
citizen: Northern Irish did not become a so called identity until a line was drawn through it in 1920. I am in Fermangh every year,(having been born on the border in the south), and I have never heard any one refer to themselves as northern Irish. At the end of the day however he can play for whoever he wants to. It is his own business.
MrSinatra | Aug 14, 2012, 04:45 PM EDT
he has the northern irish red hand flag on his website? thats like being black and flying the confederate flag. i don't support violence or more troubles, but for christs sake know your history!
Murph46 | Aug 14, 2012, 04:09 PM EDT
I'm coming over to visit Britain,Wales,Scotland ,Northen Ireland & Ireland and don't care what they are collectively called.
EamonnDublin | Aug 14, 2012, 03:57 PM EDT
Hey, Branagh! Lost touch with reality lately? Not been keeping up to date? Was that Tiger Woods wearing a RoryMask (and RoryWig) when he won - by EIGHT strokes - on Sunday last? Now the youngest ever player to win two majors. As for "Irish or British", he is entitled to a British and an Irish passport - and he can play for whichever he wishes, when selected. And as for those who say that people born in Northern Ireland are not "Irish" - apart from that being a rubbish statement, let anybody from Northern Ireland go to England and tell them you are "not Irish", the English would consider that to be HIGHLY amusing! Éamonn, Dublin, Ireland.
warrenpoint00 | Aug 14, 2012, 03:54 PM EDT
Sean oShea a history lesson for you.The red hand of Ulster the replica of the UNeill clan proud guardians of Ulster is as Irish as Ireland itself.Get your facts right lad.You make the same mistake as the british planters who stupidly claim it as a british flag.Uneills will turn in their graves at your remarks lad.
citizen69 | Aug 14, 2012, 03:42 PM EDT
@CindyDoyle: Yes Rory is Irish but as he is from Northern Ireland he is eligible to play for Team GB (which represents Great Britain & Northern Ireland) or Team Ireland (representing Republic of Ireland & Northern Ireland). Northern Irish is part of the British Identity as is Scottish, Welsh & English. British & Irish are not mutually exclusive. @Branagh: As for him not being good enough, he is world No. 1 and i have no doubt he'll be a major force in golf well beyond the 2016 Olympics.
hancock | Aug 14, 2012, 03:31 PM EDT
Feherty said McIlroy would play for Ireland during the telecast. Know he is a loose cannon , but also close to McIlroy, as he is to all the golfers in Ireland north and south.
branagh | Aug 14, 2012, 03:05 PM EDT
A bit of modesty is in order-McIlroy would probably never even make a Team GB based on his performance in early 2012. As his agent has wisely said,it's four years to Rio-perhaps,by then he might not make a Team Ireland either.
butlerreport | Aug 14, 2012, 02:47 PM EDT
Born in NI and a British citizen...he's certainly not Irish.
cillowen | Aug 14, 2012, 02:44 PM EDT
rory won't win either way
GregShox | Aug 14, 2012, 02:44 PM EDT
Golf in the Olympics. What next -- poker?
MegK311 | Aug 14, 2012, 01:47 PM EDT
I was born and raised in N.Ireland and I am proud to be from N.I. and I am also proud to say I am from Ireland. When watching the O;ympics I supported the Irish regardless of what part of Ireland they were from or whether they were Catholic or Protestant. We are all from a Island called Ireland. I now live in the U.S. But there is a big place in my heart for the people of England. Ireland Scotland and Wales. I think it is unfair to place this burden on Rory let him enjoy his success playing golf. We can all be proud of him.
Sparklet | Aug 14, 2012, 01:33 PM EDT
Britain and Ireland can claim as much as they like. Surely it's up to Rory?
Cranleigh | Aug 14, 2012, 01:22 PM EDT
The real question is why golf will be in the Olympics at all. It's an absurdly overpaid pastime as far from real athletics as one can get. And I speak as a golfer. No doubt coverage of the 5000m final will be even more truncated next time as we go live to some slob wandering about a field.
CindyDoyle | Aug 14, 2012, 12:37 PM EDT
As an Irish American, I don't get it. I live in America. Rory lives in Ireland. I am AMERICAN, He is IRISH.
citizen69 | Aug 14, 2012, 12:29 PM EDT
Rory is British & Irish, as many people from Northern Ireland are. He's proud to be both as is Graeme McDowell & Darren Clarke. They all have no problem referring to themselves as Irish, It's just that some idiots can't handle the fact that they're also British. It doesn't matter to me if he plays for Team GB & NI or Team Ireland as either way he will still be playing for home soil. Five Northern Irish athletes won Olympic medals this year in London, three for GB&NI and two for Ireland. They all done the people of NI (and further afield) proud...@johnshiel: Yes 'Prods' also name their boys Rory! Rory Best of the Irish Rugby team is a northern 'Prod'.
cillowen | Aug 14, 2012, 11:37 AM EDT
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chuckyarla | Aug 14, 2012, 10:53 AM EDT
Rory knows what to do , do does not want to cause any hate or anger . he is Irish and will represent Ireland, England Scotland and Wales people should represent where they come from not as a group
cuculin | Aug 14, 2012, 10:46 AM EDT
The only people who will be making an issue of this are a few nationalistic nutcases and the media. Rory may be of Cath Irish stock as people claim but he is from Northern Ireland and will and should represent GBR. End of story. I am a huge golf fan and watch it week in week out not just because of Rory and it will be a total shame if this is made into a huge deal as he will be forced to give an answer that I am not sure us "Irish" will want to hear!
DrTrelawney | Aug 14, 2012, 10:41 AM EDT
The fact that Rory played for Ireland in the World Cup is totally irrelevant. In that tournament, as in most golf fixtures, Ireland competes as an island against the constituent nations of Great Britain.
DrTrelawney | Aug 14, 2012, 10:38 AM EDT
Olympic teams are 100% defined by geographical borders. If an athlete has been issued citizenship (or qualifies for citizenship) by a particular country, he/she may request a spot on that country's team. Citizenship is easiest confirmed by presentation of a passport or government document. In as much as we all appreciate the current talent of young Rory McIlroy on the golf course, we cannot change the fact that he holds a UK passport. As such, he would have to play for the UK team. Its a long time story and an awful big pill for folks to swallow, but there is another national presence on the shores of the isle called Ireland. In New York, you can literally have your neighbor across the street living in Canada while you live in the USA. You live only 30 feet apart, yet hold different passports. You played ball on the same local school teams and community teams growing up. But if we were to go to the Olympics you'd be on the US team and your neighbor would be on the Canadian team. Rory's spot on an Olympic team should not be about religion. And we should be ashamed if we try to make a talented young athlete a pawn in this historically never ending border game.
johnshiel | Aug 14, 2012, 10:35 AM EDT
do Prods name their boys Rory?
johnshiel | Aug 14, 2012, 10:17 AM EDT
he'll end up playing for the Irish nation, I predict...
ArmaghCity | Aug 14, 2012, 09:32 AM EDT
I thought this question was already answered. He is going to represent Britain. Which is fine, that is his choice. Just as I have the right to choose to support Padraig as a result.
bobby | Aug 14, 2012, 08:43 AM EDT
He sees himself as Northern Irish. Anyone born in Ireland, East or West of the island is Irish. Im from London, english people see all people born in Ireland as Irish. Just like we English in England.