We love our Irish Yanks - admiration and respect for emigrants
There has been a lot of discussion around the place recently on the subject of what the Irish in Ireland think about Irish Americans, and I've read some strong views being expressed on both flanks of the debate and on both shores of the Atlantic.
We keep hearing that there are something like 40 million Americans with Irish blood in them. That, for sure, is an impressive tally to have been contributed to the New World by such a small island as ourselves.
We, and you too, have been both busy and fertile down all the long decades of emigration. The modern fact is that ye now outnumber us on a scale of about 10 to one, and that is mindboggling.
I feel that many of the opinions I've heard expressed thus far are wide of the real mark. Few of them reflect the deep clan respect which the overwhelming majority of the stay at home Irish have for their families and friends in the United States especially.
There is a deep, strong, warm bond there, and there always has been throughout my lifetime. We admire and respect what our emigrants achieved down the years despite all the odds in a tougher and more competitive society than the one they had to leave behind.
My memory goes back to the fifties as an Ulster child, and I can say that the arrival home of the summertime "Yanks" was always an occasion of celebration and pride among not just the extended clan, but also the entire local community.
We never said "Irish Americans" as a matter of interest. The incoming flank of the family were always affectionately known as Yanks.
That was not connected at all to the Civil War labels or to the resident state of our relatives. They were simply Yanks, and we were delighted to welcome them home with open arms.
The modern homecomings are slightly different in that it is relatively easy to fly home quite frequently, and even for us to visit quite often. The families are in closer communication all the time in the majority of cases.
But when I was a child the older folk could tell so many tales of Johnny and Mary leaving Cobh or Belfast in their teens and never ever being able to return. It was not easy then.
For that very reason it was an occasion for celebration when the American clansmen and women did make it home for what was invariably a rattling good party.
I've celebrated with homecoming Yanks in all four provinces at this stage of my life. A significant factor in the warmth of the Cead Mile Failte actually goes back to that bloody Famine.
Think about it. The heaviest waves of emigration came from the impoverished communities on the poorest lands, many of these located in the rugged counties along the west coast from Donegal all the way down to Kerry and West Cork.
In these lands the sense of community was always stronger than in many other areas. The people of the west are still very strongly bonded by a common pride in their family, community, parish and county.
When one of their own does well in life everybody is proud of them. They survived and thrived.
And my experience is that they are as proud of their own Yanks as they are of the clansman who started up some successful project in the nearest town. Maybe even more proud because the initial emigrants had to fight such a tough battle against deep-rooted prejudices and disadvantages.
All those legendary American letters both ways across the sea have left a deep knowledge of what Johnny and Mary had to survive in the homeland folklore.
There is also a poignant undercurrent of folklore about those who did not get the breaks and fell by the wayside. There are countrymen still today who never visited the U.S., but who know neighbors, maybe even family members who perished, as they say, in that place called Hell's Kitchen
So, in a single sentence, our Yanks, all Yanks, are highly regarded when they come back home to us.
We are proud of you. Very proud.
Ye are different from us in many ways. I think ye are often surprised that we have changed a lot too, as has our society, but fundamentally we are equal members of the one big zany family, and it is good to get together again.
One reality about the homecomings used hurt me when I was young, but thankfully it has disappeared now. It was a profound enough reality back then.
When Johnny emigrated, for example, a part of the family background was that his older brother Seamus inherited the farm. Back then the farm normally went to the oldest son as long as he was interested. So Johnny emigrated and Seamus worked the land.
Normally in the west that land was not rich, and the manual work was harder than hard all day and every day. The contrast between Johnny, on his return home, and Seamus was often exceptionally cruel.
Seamus might have been only a couple of years the senior, but he so often looked old enough and stiff enough to be Johnny's father. Seamus, whatever he did in the states, always seemed to look tanned and fit, light on his nimble feet, brightly and boldly dressed.
The contrast was often a savage reflection on the different lifestyles, maybe the drier climate, probably a higher standard of living. Thankfully you don't see that anymore. I'm glad about that above all.
There is something bone-deep in about all of us, and that is the special warm feeling you experience in your chest when you are truly in the midst of a gathering of your own flesh and blood.
I can assure those of you who have not yet had that experience in Ireland that it is still strongly here.
It is worth getting the taste of it.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.MaryM232 | May 15, 2012, 08:56 AM EDT
What's the matter, the Yanks finally fed up with the anti-Americanism and contempt from begging bowl Ireland? You all love our money, and have viewed as for too long as something to leech off. I've read enough of your hateful Irish people believing they have the right to come to the US and leech off our welfare system. This woman once proud of her Irish ancestry, now is ashamed of Ireland and disgusted by it's parasitical people.
Springfield9 | May 13, 2012, 12:51 PM EDT
An odd phenomena is the return for a war. My Grandfather stopped home (Cavan) on his way to France. My uncles stopped in Co. Clare on their way to France. I stopped in on my way back from Vietnam. On one occassion my Great grndmother was heard to say "'tis strange, indeed, to get to France by way of a Boston road"
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 28, 2012, 07:06 PM EDT
densonone - agreed, but the 3rd option is stay in a larger place and use local public transport...the main thing is to get oveer and enjoy the experience...
densonone | Apr 25, 2012, 12:12 PM EDT
To DayOLoinsigh, the "wrong side of the road" works for Americans in Ireland as well, including finding myself driving on what really was the wrong side. But visiting Ireland by car instead of a tour bus and interacting with local folks instead of a group of other Americans is well worth the challenge. To Cormac MacConnell, thank you so much for this article. I'm American by birth, but think of myself as Irish-American. (And for those Americans who don't like hyphens, it's the hyphens that give us our cultural diversity.) I can only imagine how hard it was for my great-grandmother to endure the loss of her sons to America under less than ideal circumatances and how hard it was for my grandfather to reinvent himself in a new place that wasn't always kind. But he endured, and passed on that incredible tenacity to survive to my father and I hope to me.
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 20, 2012, 03:01 PM EDT
Johnshiel - You're very welcome..one thing that increased my stress factor on visits to the US was driving on the other side - once or twice, esp on right hand turns, I ended up in the wrong lane...on my last visit I didn't hire a car...a bit restricting, but again, made life easier overall...I think many Irish roads would be a challenge for visitors...alternately, only take a car for part of the time...
johnshiel | Apr 20, 2012, 11:09 AM EDT
dano'l - your counsel re staying put for great Ireland visits is sound and welcome. and well timed. I've been thinking the same thing, but had to get the frenetic looking about done with. I hereby resolve that i'll TRY next visit to motor down... WAY down...
STEVENSTAR | Apr 20, 2012, 07:28 AM EDT
ciaradexy | Apr 18, 2012, 12:32 PM EDT>>>>>>>>>>>> I'LL BE IGNORING ALL YOUR COMMENTS FROM NOW ON... ONE WORD FOR YOU = FREAK !!!!!!!!!!
STEVENSTAR | Apr 20, 2012, 07:27 AM EDT
@@@IrelandNorth | Apr 17, 2012, 08:06 AM EDT>>>>>>>>>YOUR AMERICAN BE HAPPY TO BE AMERICAN IM IRISH THEN EUROPEAN IM HAPPY AND PROUD OF THAT!! IRELAND IS NOT PART OF AMERICA SO PLEASE LESS OF YOUR ARROGANCE..
julesdud1 | Apr 18, 2012, 08:06 PM EDT
There is something about Ireland that I have found nowhere else. I was always a sun & water loving, beach hanging person. Never leaving Richmond VA to go north or east for vacation. Only south and west.... UNTIL IRELAND. I can't describe it. The feeling when I got out into the West of Ireland. The villages, towns, hillsides and people. I honestly felt like my soul was home, I felt free and alive. no beaches, little sun, but the very air, grass & trees were welcoming. You have a little bit of paradise there (which always comes with some issues...) I have this compelling need to come back to Ireland every 3-5 years now. Its coming up close. I think the angels sleep there at night!
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 18, 2012, 06:54 PM EDT
johnshiel – in my opinion vacation strategies can make or break a trip…personally I prefer to base myself at one or two locations over a fortnight…one of the best places to pick up the feel for a place is sat in the local pub, the more one visits specific venues, the more the locals will open up…so I would resist the temptation to open lots of choccy boxes, and only sampling one or two flavours…better to have less boxes, and eat all or most of the contents…go West, any place north of Galway Bay, and enjoy the full Irish….
ciaradexy | Apr 18, 2012, 04:28 PM EDT
BrianO, you hit the nail on the head. There are variations in every single country you go to. Most countries are tourist destinations but more importantly, they are countries where people live, work and raise their families. Funnily enough, Ive met 3 Americans in the past 4 weeks. 2 from Nashville who I spent nearly 2 weeks with. Both were exactly the sort of tourists that every country needs. They were fun, open, honest, interested in Ireland, friendly and no preconceived notions. My friends and some of my family met them and enjoyed hanging out with them too. last weekend I was hosting a walking tour of Dublin for 43 Italian students and 1 kid from Arizona. He had said that being in Ireland and Europe had opened his eyes. he said he doesnt want to go home because he loves how Europe is so open. He loved how we arent ruled by religion and how he loved the mix of nationalities and cultures. More of this type of tourist please instead of the fools who wont eat in a restaurant cos theres a Polish waitress! I love working with tourists by the way. Ive never had a complaint and I have had lots of compliments given to my boss which is brilliant!
BrianO | Apr 18, 2012, 12:53 PM EDT
Ciaradexy, The differences of American culture varies by region, There are loud obnoxious people, there are quiet calm people and everything in between. NYC is very different than a Maine farm, I know you know this. It happens on both sides of the Atlantic. My wife and I had to put up with the political opinions of our Irish table mates at a wedding recently, since it was a wedding we avoided the conversation, we talked about weather, the bride, the food, but these Irish liberal elitist just kept hammering their agenda at us. Were these "Ugly Irish" or just people you have to put up with? In this conversation we stay polite, until finally they were interested in my wife's profession. Since we were trapped at this table it would be easy to say-those Irish are such--, Since Ireland is a tourism destination, people are sold by the tourism office, and as in any tourist destination it can be hard to put up with tourist. But being from a tourist region of the U.S., I have had some of the best times assisting tourist, Lots of laughs, and you actually feel better, next time you run into an American that doesn't understand the differences in cultures try telling him what he should do.
ciaradexy | Apr 18, 2012, 12:33 PM EDT
IrelandNorth, I travel the length of this country every week unlike yourself who left 30 years ago! get out of your time warp man, youre pathetic!
ciaradexy | Apr 18, 2012, 12:32 PM EDT
Steven, I AM stalking you! I work in healthcare and retards are of interest to me so youre a case in point.
johnr | Apr 18, 2012, 11:40 AM EDT
ever heard the term "ugly american"? unfortunatly they do exist. having been a Marine in the 80's in many ports in the mediterranean there were ugly americans everywhere, but they were in places that expected that behaviour. and they exist on a smaller scale elsewhere, i saw it personally in killarney when a member of my tourist group snapped at a lady serving him breakfast. i was embarrassed, i would bet you that woman probably interacted with 15-20 americans that day, but she will remember the guy who was stupid to her. thats more human nature to me than nationality.
johnshiel | Apr 18, 2012, 10:20 AM EDT
danoloingsigh: your comment, about americans being more friendly on their home turf than in ireland, got me thinking... most of the time when i'm in ireland i'm as nervous as a cat. because wherever i am, there were two or three or four other places i'd considered being at instead. and i'm wondering if i should cut bait and switch to one of them... ireland serves up such an enticing buffet of places and experiences. it's sort of like an embarrassment of riches. so it often takes me a bit of deliberate mental focus to be IN a conversation. we are kids in a candy store all day every day when we mosey about your 32. certainly not complaining; just saying....
jamieLM | Apr 18, 2012, 10:16 AM EDT
@johnr, I agree with your post. I'm a proud American who has spent years researching her Irish family tree. I'm VERY PROUD of my Irish ancestry. My maiden name is McKenna. I like Ireland and the Irish so much that I've made numerous trips to Ireland (love the west) and have traveled throughout the country. I just resent anyone telling me how I should think about my Irish heritage or that I'm "not Irish." I'm an American and I've never pretended to be anything else, regardless of the many Irish ancestors I have, but if I want to call myself an Irish-American, I will. I live in the Midwest, which I love, but it's not for everyone. I sound "cranky" because I usually post in the AM after working the 11:00 PM-7:00 AM shift as an RN in the NICU. It was refreshing to read an article that wasn't critical of American tourists. Mr. MacConnell writes some of the very best columns on this site.
89west | Apr 17, 2012, 07:05 PM EDT
One can only wonder where Ireland might find herself, had her people the cohesiveness and solidarity of those who contribute to the well being of the State of Israel.
johnr | Apr 17, 2012, 05:55 PM EDT
thanks bunkerhill i'm here to learn, i've read a little about the brehon laws, and from what little i've read many are relevant today. i will also take your mccullough suggestion also.
bunkerhill | Apr 17, 2012, 05:04 PM EDT
Welcome johnr, and you have said something very pertinent to so many Irish descendents around the world. You carry their DNA and you loved your ancestors and all their tradition. The prehistoric history of Ireland has yet to be explored as it is older than Israel and was on the edge of the known world. Anyone who has travelled through Ireland as I have, will marvel at the way the native Irish have kept their homeland in the most pristine state despite all odds. I am American from New Hampshire and my ancestors came from Britain in 1719. I am Irish by acquisition, or marriage if you prefer, and am presently looking for Irish ancestors. We have been to Ireland so many times and wherever we were we were always welcomed. I wonder if you have read McCullough's book that says the concept "All men are created equal," came from Ireland, probably Brehon law. So great to hear from a mid-western American. We have been to your home area and loved it.
johnr | Apr 17, 2012, 04:20 PM EDT
thanks for the article cormac, i'm new here, been reading your articles here and on irish emigrant for many years. i've never written in until now. mcnamara 31 and 89west are spot on. i've seen some very mean post's here and that's too bad. my approach to any forum is to treat it like a real world pub or tavern, i'm not going to say here what i wouldn't say to your face leaning on the rail. i'm a proud american of irish descent, i was brought up that way but my descendancy is many generations in the past, so my "irishness" is tempered by the fact that i really have no clue what it is like to live in and be from ireland. what do i love about ireland? the history, the openness of many of her people and imo their genuine happiness to meet me and yes the fact that i have dna from there. but i also think the west of ireland is physically one of the prettiest places in the world, i like irish music, both modern and traditional, and your gaa. i find hurling and football to be exciting and very fast paced and follow it as closely as is possible from over here. as far as STEVENSTAR goes, i'm sorry you feel like you do, no one, no where, and no nation is perfect. sorry you had to live in illinois, i spent a week there one day :) just kidding, i live right across the mississippi river from there. it's no better and no worse than anywhere else.
IrelandNorth | Apr 17, 2012, 08:06 AM EDT
Geez! If STEVENSTAR isn't SHOUTING, he's stammering @@@@@ As a pro-Irish-American, I've noticed two discernable trends in virulent anti-Americanism from posters. One is from emanates from Ulster Protestants/Northern-Irish British (alan07/bogsidebunny/STEVENSTAR etc.) who adopt a nationality of convenience in an attempt to estrange Irish America from Ireland. The other is from a younger generation middle-class west-Brit from the rest of Ireland who consider anything geneaological to be so retro- and uncool (ciaradexy). Irish-Americans are more entitled to Irish citizenship than recent waves of EU accession state immigrants. The USA has done more for Ireland than the EU will ever do. Y'all come back and reclaim your ancestors homeland.
McNamara31 | Apr 16, 2012, 11:08 PM EDT
89west... Well said. In a world that seems to have all its foundations coming apart; whether they be economic, religious or political, being Irish should bring us together not divide us.
STEVENSTAR | Apr 16, 2012, 07:41 PM EDT
@@@@@ciaradexy | Apr 16, 2012, 12:33 PM EDT>>>>>>>>> YOUR COMMENTS TOWARDS ME CIARADEXY ARE A LAUGH I SUGGEST DEAR YOU STOP READING AND COMMENTING ON EVERYTHING I WRITE AS ITS ALMOST FEELS LIKE YOUR STALKING...WHY NOT GO FOR A LONG WALK OR TAKE UP A HOBBY OF SOMESORT TO GET YOURSELF AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER... I REALLY FEEL DEAR YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE..... OR ELSE SEEK SOME PROFESSIONAL HELP FOR THAT ATTITUDE .. WISH U LUCK WITH THAT :)
89west | Apr 16, 2012, 06:24 PM EDT
This forum has the potential to be a viable resource for the free and open exchange of ideas and notions common to those living on both sides of the Atlantic. It is easy to turn this venue into a cesspool where the barbs and off the cuff judgmental comments do nothing more than inflame one's hurt ego and eventually, shuts down all dialogue. All the while, very little attention is paid on here to important issues such as the US legislation that is stalled in the Senate that would throw out a life ring to the young Irish seeking employment opportunities here in this Country. On the other side of the coin, as I travel about Ireland my curiosity is tweaked about the many change that have come to the Country in the very recent past. You may say, why don't you ask those questions while your there, well, some of these questions may prove to be an embarrassment or at the very least be uncomfortable to the listener or may just turn into something that goes on here. Whatever the case, I'm sure many on here have the wherewithal to provide comprehensive answers to some of these questions that will be free from the usual vitriol and finger pointing.
irishcoffeekid | Apr 16, 2012, 12:46 PM EDT
its all a bunch of grapes really - some are great, some are a bit soft and some are just rotten! The reality is there are great people here and great people there - its all a matter of how you present and represent yourself and your home country!
ciaradexy | Apr 16, 2012, 12:33 PM EDT
BrianO, its not the Irish on here claiming they wont eat in a restaurant in Ireland if theres Polish staff working there! Its not Irish people saying they wont travel around Ireland if there are non Irish people working in B&Bs! You said 'It takes courage to interact with different cultures', I completely agree with you! Its just a pity some Americans on here don't feel the same way when they come here instead of whinging about the immigrants! There are people on this site who are the worst of the US and its a shame that they exist. Theyre bigoted, racist and they cannot see the irony and hypocrisy in their statements. I have never met an American I didnt like but I have read posts from some who are vile and sick. STEVENSTAR-This article is written by an Irish man.
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 16, 2012, 12:13 PM EDT
The 'TOO' in the headline should be a 'TO'... Whereas Johnshiel has the right 'TOO'...just saying...on a personal note, I found that Irish-Americans in the US were far more personable than when in Ireland...maybe they tried a little too hard when on holiday..or they were just more relaxed in their own environment...whatever, they were excellent company in their own place...and couldn't have been more helpful and welcoming...Irish who over-criticize need to make allowances, as they would expect others to when they travel abroad...
johnshiel | Apr 16, 2012, 10:43 AM EDT
cormac, nice job of wading into the roiling waters of "who is Irish?"... here's another take from my family experience. a saying I heard from my mother often in growing up was that "well, we didn't come to America to be Irish". She was quoting my paternal grandmother, who must have expressed this view many times to her seven children. It seemed to mean that we aim to achieve as much as we can, and become as American as we can. And they/we have; many small business owners and professional people; many large families, too. As I have traveled and read much about Ireland in recent years, I've felt a certain resistance from some relatives that maybe I'm neglecting that Americn achievement side of things. just saying...
TayandCake | Apr 16, 2012, 10:33 AM EDT
self obsessed articles flood this website
jamieLM | Apr 16, 2012, 10:10 AM EDT
Another great read from Mr. MacC. @Stevenstar, I'm an American, a Yank, who has many Irish ancestors and has been to Ireland numerous times. The Irish I've met are like Americans, some very friendly and some not as friendly. I'm not "Irish" or think of myself as "Irish-American" (my choice) unless I'm talking about ancestry with other Americans who have Irish ancestors. I don't even want to be "Irish" - no offense intended - because then I wouldn't be who I am. I also have Dutch, English, Welsh, and Native American ancestors (Cherokee & Choctaw). I celebrate all of my ancestral lines. How any American thinks and feels about their ancestry is none of your business or mine. How, when, and where Americans travel to Ireland is also none of your business. You don't control Irish tourism any more than I control American tourism. I've also traveled throughout Europe. Every country has their share of good, bad, and ugly-acting people. No country is perfect in every way. Ireland is a beautiful country and, overall, I've found the Irish I've had contact with to be warm, friendly, and helpful.
STEVENSTAR | Apr 16, 2012, 10:01 AM EDT
THIS ARTICLE IS A JOKE ..WRITTEN BY AN AMERICAN NO DOUBT.
beaumax99 | Apr 16, 2012, 09:16 AM EDT
@BrianO and to all of the other nice and positive people on this site...These hands full of downers are angry at the world because they are miserable with themselves and want to make everyone else miserable. I with you...I don't allow these lowly people to rent space in my head. Afterall..they are probably shunned by their own.
beaumax99 | Apr 16, 2012, 09:12 AM EDT
those countries couldn't stand you either,
STEVENSTAR | Apr 16, 2012, 08:57 AM EDT
@@@BrianO | Apr 15, 2012, 10:15 PM EDT Steven star knows America is soulless because you spent 1 Year in illinois, ever been skiing in aspen, drive on daytona beach, spent a summer day on cape cod, white water raftimg in maine, seen the grand canyon, you need a soul to interact with people, of course you were depressed, it takes courage to interact with foreign cultures. >>>>>>>>> AS REGARDS TRAVEL I LIVED IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE AGE 22 I LIVED IN LODON AGE 27 I LIVED IN MIDLANDS UK AGE 33 I HAVE TRAVELLED THE WORLD AND I HAVE PROBABLY SEEN ALOT MORE THEN YOU HAVE .. SO I STILL STAND BY MY COMMENT ..
NYCFiredog | Apr 16, 2012, 12:47 AM EDT
The truth is, there will always be good men and women of warmth and welcome like Cormac, and miserable bastids like Stevenstar. I'll put my focus on the former, and ignore the later. I've met both types in my travels to Asia and Australia. Less of the later class. And of course, my blood is 100% Irish, but it's pumped by an American heart. For me, there will always be a fondness for my grandparents old country. When I was in Medjugorje I was adopted by an Irish pilgrimage group and treated as one of their own. It's for those Irish who touched me and warmed me that I think of.
Nicoletta | Apr 15, 2012, 11:22 PM EDT
Stevenstar, when I first came over here I thought it (the US) was soulless too. Having been here for a few years (on and off) however, wherever you live is where you make it. I love living in rural Illinois. The people are friendly; the countryside is wild; the weather is woolly (it's storming' mad outside right now!) but it's home sweet home now, thanks be to God.
BrianO | Apr 15, 2012, 10:15 PM EDT
Steven star knows America is soulless because you spent 1 Year in illinois, ever been skiing in aspen, drive on daytona beach, spent a summer day on cape cod, white water raftimg in maine, seen the grand canyon, you need a soul to interact with people, of course you were depressed, it takes courage to interact with foreign cultures.
BrianO | Apr 15, 2012, 10:01 PM EDT
ciaradexy, don't tell America tell The Irish tourism board. I've traveled to Ireland for the last thirty years, I avoid energy stealers like you, And haters like stevenstar
Nicoletta | Apr 15, 2012, 08:45 PM EDT
Stevenstar, I can see where you're coming from. I'm currently living in the US but my family in Ireland are against me visiting our American cousins as they don't want them all coming over again for their holidays!!
STEVENSTAR | Apr 15, 2012, 07:57 PM EDT
PPS I think Americans are facinated by Ireland and our culture and our people because America is such an empty souless place to live. I lived in Illinois for 1 year and ran out of the place. For 12 months i was depressed, there were no town centers every thing seemed Plastic, the cafes and restaurants were all Chains and not run by people who owned them everything seems so False and souless so i think thats why Americans are facinated with Ireland also Also Italy and other various countries in Europe..Its like you almost want to be European..
STEVENSTAR | Apr 15, 2012, 07:36 PM EDT
TO ALL THE COMMENTD BELOW ABOUT WHAT I SAID ... FIRSTLY THERE IS NO NEED TO BE ANNOYED... JUST BECAUSE MY VIEWS DIFFER TO YOUR ROSE TINTED VIEWS.. IM IRISH BORN AND BRED AND ALL I WAS SAYING IS BE PROUD TO BE AMERICAN AND STOP PRETENDING YOUR IRISH JUST BECAUSE YOUR GREAT GRANNY'S NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WAS IRISH AND WENT TO AMERICA A 100 YEARS AGO.. THATS ALL.. AS AN IRISHMAN BORN IN IRELAND AND WHO LIVES IN IRELAND THATS HOW WE IRISH SEE IT... HAVE A NICE DAY YA ALL ...
irishman6 | Apr 15, 2012, 02:21 PM EDT
Stevenstar...after reading your mindless rants and knowing Cormac has too much class to reply to you I will instead leave you with this old Irish observation which seems to fit you perfectly: "It's hard to see your point of view, as most people can't get their head that far up their own arse!"
ciaradexy | Apr 15, 2012, 01:18 PM EDT
Ancavker, it wasnt the 'well educated Irish people'. We didnt gamble, we didnt demand unsecured bonds to be paid. European and US bondholders did. Im not going to take the blame for something that I had no part of.
bunkerhill | Apr 15, 2012, 11:41 AM EDT
One of the posts under my name did not come from me. It is dated Apr 14 at 1:06 PM. My wife's parents came from Ireland, not grandparents, and my family came here from Britain in 1719. Also we have never met a "harsh" Irish person in Ireland and would never make a comment like that.
ancavker | Apr 15, 2012, 10:05 AM EDT
STEVEN: For all your education and wealth, your crowd over there has made a real mess of the place!!! I know, Iknow it was the big bad bankers,and those mean Germans!!! Of course the well educated Irish people are not to blame
ciaradexy | Apr 15, 2012, 09:48 AM EDT
BrianO, maybe more people need to live in the real world and realise that Ireland is a country and not a theme park? And luckily enough, its not the era of that awful stereotype The Quiet man. That film should be banned for enforcing horrific stereotypes. Its an embarrassment.
BrianO | Apr 15, 2012, 08:47 AM EDT
It's hard being a tourist destination, to my off put Irish friends think how it must feel to be told of a hundred thousand welcomes, and famous Irish hospitality, save up your money take the family over for their once in a life time visit to the land of their fore fathers, and then run into the Steven stars of the world.
manhattan | Apr 15, 2012, 08:31 AM EDT
CK, Your Quaker ancestors fed the Irish during the famine. While the English made the poor starving people build roads to nowhere to earn a piece of bread. The Quakers did it because they were a decent and caring people.
ciaradexy | Apr 15, 2012, 08:23 AM EDT
Oldboreen, we are ALL being ripped off not just the yanks!
89west | Apr 15, 2012, 07:50 AM EDT
Stevenstar wrote in part about the ownership of Ireland on 14 April @ 1220 when he said ...I'm just giving you some facts about my Country... Sir, when you speak of my Country you forget the People of Ireland have saw fit to grant Irish Citizenship to all children who are born to Irish Nationals, no matter where in the world they were born. The grandchildren of such persons are also granted Irish Citizenship once their births are recorded in the Foreign Births Registry. Further, the great grand children of Irish Nationals are afforded an opportunity for Irish Citizenship provided their parents were registered as Irish Citizens prior to their birth. These facts may explain in part, to you and others that Irish kinship is recognized by the People of Ireland and is extended far beyond the island of Ireland to the great Irish diaspora and this gesture of kinship is repaid in kind by those Irish who are scattered throughout the world.
oldboreen | Apr 15, 2012, 07:43 AM EDT
Sincerely written, but let's truely show our respect and appreciation for our returning Irish-Americans-stop ripping them off!! Believe me, the cash they spend in 'the old country'is hard earned!!
the4thleaf | Apr 15, 2012, 02:53 AM EDT
SeamusMartin - I have a baseball cap with "Made in America with Irish Parts" on it.
SeamusMartin | Apr 15, 2012, 02:32 AM EDT
Wonderful piece, Cormac! Guess you could say Irish-Americans/Yanks were made in America with Irish parts. Blessed be the peacemakers. Sla'inte.
CK | Apr 14, 2012, 09:23 PM EDT
Interesting article! It has been documented many times over that when my family arrived here in the U.S. in the earlier 1700's they never forgot whom they were or where it is they came from. They were Quakers from N. Ireland and remained that way well after emigration. They helped shape this country with their strong political convictions,faith in God and hard work with their bare hands. Hundreds of years later, I was born with red curly hair, blue eyes, pale white skin and am covered in freckles..am I not to be proud of what I am? American first to be sure, but a lot of Irish in me to! I may have to reconsider and visit N.I. one day, who knows I might like it there. After all it is that land that helped shaped this land so many years ago.
hjolley | Apr 14, 2012, 05:15 PM EDT
STEVENSTARR: Could you maybe wrap your head around one little fact?. America is only 400 years old. Everyone who lives here is both American and an immigrant. We are all proud and happy to be American but I think it is human nature to want to know where you are "from". Personally, I do not know specifically, only that both sides came over around famine time and both sides fought in our American Civil War. I don't now where you get your information, but we are well aware of the exchange rate and come prepared to spend. Every one of my 4 children and 11 grandchildren have tweeds, sweatesr and jewelry from our dozen trips. If we can't come every year in style, we will save up and come every other year. We come for the craic, not the value of our dollar. We are welcomed "home" by strangers who appreciate our identifying with them through a mutual heritage. We are welcomed home by friends we have made who will remain so forever. We are not people of means (a fireman and a secretary), but we are people of love who know what we are, who we are, and where we come from (America). Shame on you. Erin Go Bragh! God Bless America! I'm coming over on Tuesday for a week in County Down and a week in county Donegal.If I meet you in a pub, I'll stand you a pint.
LilPaddy | Apr 14, 2012, 05:15 PM EDT
Anyone knowing how to contact the writer Cormac MacConnell; please pass him my #.. 951-264-7103.. Thanks, Paddy.
celtickenny | Apr 14, 2012, 04:54 PM EDT
Such a great article, thank you Cormac! I've been to Ireland four times over the last 12 years and without fail have literally been 'welcomed home' every time. When someone asks my name (Lyons) and learn that I know where my family is from (Galway-Tuam) they get excited and start telling about Lyons in their area as if we could be related. My family didn't arrive in the States until the late 1800s and as I begin to piece the tree together, I know that soon I will be reconnected with cousins back 'home'. I come back and stay connected because I have always been aware of where I am from and couldn't be prouder.
Searlit | Apr 14, 2012, 04:32 PM EDT
I was born with dark brown hair, have blue/green eyes, freckles and burn to a crisp in the sun. What am I? No, don't answer all you fresh posters! Irish-American means your ancestors came from Ireland. Since that happened before you were born, you have Irish DNA before you were born, in America - looking at it as a timeline of events. Ha! Gotcha! Thank-you Cormac for the lovely article. I'm trying to get there in September. I love the West the best!
PatriciaMarya | Apr 14, 2012, 04:15 PM EDT
Wow, stevenstar was really YELLING at U.S. all, wasn't he? Loved how others all made their opinions so nicely. I am to be 72 in a matter of less than 90 days and never will be able to go back to Ireland unless I win a lottery or am the travelling companion of a wealthy woman who needs a chaperone as I once so happily was. And all of those years in Irish dance class when we sang "Now is the hour," no one had ever sat me down and told me the tradition of how that song was used - to say good-bye to a loved one who is leaving the next day. The World is a sad, sad place without the addition of anger and the yelling. Wish the Euro wasn't such a tough amount to have to handle. Perhaps stevenstar will be happier with the Russian Oligarchs who seem to be descending upon Eire to scoop up your real estate and disrupt your property values. After all, they don't travel in Coach; they just have their eyes on the bottom line in a non-sentimental, all-out financial focus. Slainte, indeed. So glad that I got to fulfill my Mother's dream of getting to Ireland although, sadly, it was to scatter her ashes in the West. I was treated with such respect when people learned that that was what I was there to do.
Curitiba | Apr 14, 2012, 03:15 PM EDT
The workers then proceeded to spend their wages in the pub and this became a habit. Some escaped this alcholic lifestyle, got married to Irish women and produced little Irish children with English accents. Some of these eventually moved back to ireland. You might have know a few if you were a bit older. Some irish people did not escape this lifestyle, they became alcoholics, their health suffered, saved nothing for their retirement, lost touch with relatives back home ( some of which were glad to see the back of them so that they could swipe the farm) and ended up in dire poverty. Obviously, they had forgotten everything they learned in their PhD courses, by this stage, so they couldn't get a job in Goldman Sachs. Anyway, if you want to know more about the recent history of Irish people in Britain, don't be afraid to ask, sstar!
Curitiba | Apr 14, 2012, 03:08 PM EDT
Only too happy to educate you stevenstar. Once upon a time, before 2009, before your 5th birthday, before the start date of your knowledge of Irish history, there was this thing called emigration. Many of these emigrants came from large families in the West and other rural parts of Ireland and believe it or not, not too many of them gained PhD's in quantum electrodynamics before emigrating to England to work building roads and working on construction sites. You see, there were these two things called jobs and money, which were in extremely short supply in rural Ireland after independence, right up to the 1980's. Many of these Irish people (who didn't exist according to yourself) were employed by their fellow Irishmen, who exploited them in various ways, one of which was to pay them their wages in the pub, which the boss or his friend owned.
ellenred | Apr 14, 2012, 02:55 PM EDT
Cormac, as usual, great article. My own maternal grandmother was born in the Hell's Kitchen area of Manhattan. And I too loved being asked in Galway, "What took you so long to come home?" Or in Cork, being asked if I was the mother of so and so, since I looked like her. Or out on Inis Mor, being asked what part of Ireland I was from. My Irish heritage is on my face-- as well as my red hair. So, yes, i am Irish American--- with strong roots up and down the west of Ireland. Ellen
bbbmckeon | Apr 14, 2012, 02:53 PM EDT
Nice article but based on some of the comments here I think that the younger Irish generation are unaware of the history of the Irish in America whose families came during the mid-19th Century. They were not typical immigrants,more like refugees escaping starvation and severe poverty. They were not looking to leave their homeland, they had no choice but to leave and they arrived in a place that was not so welcoming to them. So, for both of those reasons they held firmly to their faith and their heritage and passed that down to their children and grandchildren. They became proud Americans but they also sent money home to their families that remained in Ireland, supported Irish causes and facilitated the crossing and housing for other immigrants who left for similar reasons. Those stories and that heritage are ingrained in those of Irish descent in America and maybe some of them are looking for a connection when they visit a place that they've heard so much about all their lives. It doesn't mean that they are trying to be Irish in the same sense as one who was born there but that they are looking to somehow connect because of those strong Irish roots. That's the disctinction, and what exactly is wrong with that? I am first generation of Irish descent on my mother's side and fourth generation on my father's side. I have been visiting Ireland since the age of three and have always been made welcome by both my family there and others in general. I am the proudest of Americans, but I also don't allow anyone to tell me what box I should check off if I were asked to choose if I felt more Irish than American or vice versa!
Dompedro | Apr 14, 2012, 02:21 PM EDT
The first-born inherited the family farm -- exception to the rule -- my recollection of Irish history says that this was a legal stricture which became cultural, driven by a limited amount of land on the island and large families. The authorities (foreign) legislated that the first born son would get the farm, to keep farms from being reduced to very small,unproductive units and to "encourage" young, disaffected men to leave the country before they could cause trouble for the government. When the laws were changed, there was still no more land to go around. And young men still left Ireland in larges numbers. In my own family's late 19th century history, the first son came to America (although we have trouble finding him in Irish records), the second (my grandfather) also came to America, the third went to England (or Australia) and the last, fourth son stayed on the farm in Galway until his death well into the 20th century.
ciaradexy | Apr 14, 2012, 02:10 PM EDT
Stevenstar, If youre as aducated as you say, then please learn when to use capital letters and the difference between 'your' and 'you're'. had a 17 year old from Arizona in my tour group today. His granny was from Westmeath but he was more clued up about Ireland and accepting of Ireland and interested in Irish people than many Americans have ever indicated on this site especially the racist hypocrites on this site. You know who you are.
JBRAFTREE | Apr 14, 2012, 01:58 PM EDT
Good piece! Short story: I went to East Galway alone, unannounced to where my Great-Grandfather was born, (in Ahascragh, Ballinasloe),stayed in Creigh for 6 days, I asked the lodge owners to put me in touch with a local they did and Gerry was very nice to take me to where the name was known. Got in touch with who I believe to be relatives. Had them back to the Lodge where I stayed, had a great chat, showed my pictures of older relatives, they took me to the graveyard where my deceased relatives were laid to rest, drove to the old shcoolyard now in ruins, took pics, they drove me back and I got their e-mail address and we promised to stay in touch. the E-mail address was bad. after contacting the lodge they said they would help. Never heard anything more I wrote them a letter to the local Post Office, never heard back. What did I do wrong?????
bunkerhill | Apr 14, 2012, 01:53 PM EDT
Believe it or not we still have Americans who identify as 'WASPS" - "wHITE ANGLO-SAXON PROTESTANTS," and people get upset at Americans identifying as Irish-American or Italian-American. At least we don't identify ourselves by a tribal name, religion and race although DNA has disproves the WASP legend. Believe it or not frequently Americans just have a friendly curiousity about another American's background. We love Ireland, visit frequently and have always received a welcome wherever we went. We hope to return this year.
bunkerhill | Apr 14, 2012, 01:48 PM EDT
Oops!!! I meant I would "never' identify as a WASP. Sorry.
bunkerhill | Apr 14, 2012, 01:45 PM EDT
Believe it or not we have Americans who still call themselves "WASPS" White Anglo-Saxon Protestants." Too bad about the rest of the English or other religions or colors. And people take umbrage at Irish-American, Italian-American etc. while this crowd describes themselves in such narror terms. Actually DNA has now shown their title to be a myth. We go to Ireland frequently to visit my wife's relatives, have been all over Ireland and are always welcomed wherever we go. My wife is very proud of her ancestry from an island older than Israel and yet to be explored. I am looking to see if any of my "British" ancestors may have come from Ireland. Incidentally I am not a "WASP" and would identify in such a manner. Hope to get to Ireland this year. My wife's Irish relatives visit us often too.
bunkerhill | Apr 14, 2012, 01:06 PM EDT
Stevenstar, visit the U.S. and figure out why Americans describe themselves by their heritage. We are a large country that was colonized, we have groups from all over the world, many people on there first trip to their parent's or grandparent's country have been formed by the stories of these people. I met plenty of Irish who are harsh, everyone can do as they please, but the majority in your land the land of my grandfather and grandmother have been cordial. Thank you Mr. MacConnell, and a fine welcome to you on your next visit to my country.
irishman6 | Apr 14, 2012, 12:55 PM EDT
Cormac I always enjoy your stories and comments but several times in this latest one and in some of the comments by other readers the term "Irish-American" has been used. I know what the accepted meaning is but I think it is in error! I am an American of Irish heritage and VERY proud of it, not an Irish-American which would imply an Irish person of American heritage. I know it's a small thing in todays world but to me it's like having a small stone in my shoe. Be well my friend.
joan1954 | Apr 14, 2012, 12:54 PM EDT
To all those who disparage the fact of the Americans who return to Ireland, I am proud that I am an American. I have Irish blood in me two generations removed and for that fact alone I return to Ireland on a yearly basis from Texas and it isn't cheap and so if we don't rent cars and buy a lot of gifts understand that our dollars versus the Euro doesn't leave a lot of disposable cash for spending. I stay in a B&B, and eat my main meal in the late afternoon before the lunch menus end. And before leaving the US search the internet for the best evening meal prices when I choose to eat in the evening. Don't be so hard on us, we need a flight to Ireland from Texas in order to bring more people over from the southwest. There would be seven states that could be catchment areas for flights from either Dallas or Houston. Finally our flights are well over 1,100 dollars to fly to Ireland from the traditional hubs from Texas. I like it whe friends welcome me "home" even when home is the US. That Irish blood which flows through these veins even if that blood came 150 years ago is gladdened with each return, making up for the fact my great-grandmothers were never able to do so.
Garinion | Apr 14, 2012, 12:53 PM EDT
Go raibh míle maith agat!
pilib04 | Apr 14, 2012, 12:49 PM EDT
Great column. Really brought back the memories. I would include not just Yanks, but also the family members who have been coming back and forth across the Irish Sea.
padraigocleirigh | Apr 14, 2012, 12:41 PM EDT
Good column. Our Irish cousins welcome us "home" with warmth and hospitality. We Yanks reciprocate when they come over here. Yes, being Irish is birth there. But one can feel Irish while being a citizen of the UK, US, AUS and anywhere else in the world over.
wdwrkr371 | Apr 14, 2012, 12:41 PM EDT
Stevenstar jesus man what is wrong with you. I can feel the bitterness and hate in your post who pissed on your campfire. To be so passionate about something so insignificant is such a waste of time. So american tourist's come to ireland and see themselves as irish "big whup" what are ye gonna form an paramilitary group to rid us of this huge injustice lol you need to find a better way to spent your time brother. P.S I'm irish born and raised but I've got bigger things to worry about what with being an adult.
STEVENSTAR | Apr 14, 2012, 12:25 PM EDT
@@@@manhattan | Apr 14, 2012, 12:20 PM EDT>>>>>>>>> Not at all mate im not in the least bit annoyed or bothered. But im just giving you a perspective from an actual IRISH PERSON WHO WAS BORN IN IRELAND AND LIVES HERE ... Most of you people have a very 'HOLLYWOOD' fantasy image of Ireland and i'm just giving you some facts about my country thats all..
manhattan | Apr 14, 2012, 12:20 PM EDT
Thank you Cormac for all your good words for us YANKS. It's the Stevenstar's in Ireland who leave a bad taste in our mouths. He is so ignorant about us Irish Americans and why we have such pride in our ancestry . The immigrants to America never give up the traditions of the land of there birth. How do you erase thousands of years from your DNA? Love America? You bet, love tradition? Yes again. So, lets continue to annoy the Stevenstars and continue to call ourselves Irish Americans. Thanks again Cormac.
alantobe | Apr 14, 2012, 11:53 AM EDT
well written. im doing my family tree and family is very important to me. i also have family living in USA. maith án fear.
tomgallagher | Apr 14, 2012, 11:26 AM EDT
It's good to see that racism and bigotry are alive and well somewhere other than here in America.
Trishlyn | Apr 14, 2012, 11:20 AM EDT
STEVENSTAR, What is so wrong with Americans wanting to embrace their Irish heritage? I am American, but also feel a connection to Ireland and I always have. I am very proud of my Irish heritage.
STEVENSTAR | Apr 14, 2012, 10:29 AM EDT
SOME MORE FACTS.. THERE ARE MORE IRISH PEOPLE LIVING IN ENGLAND THEN THERE ARE IN AMERICA.!! I DONT SEE WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS. MY GRANS SISTER MOVED TO ENGLAND 60 YEARS AGO ALL HER SONS AND DAUGHTERS WERE BORN IN ENGLAND AND THEY ARE ENGLISH AND PROUD TO BE ENGLISH AND WE SEE THEM AS ENGLISH .. AND WE ALL GET ON.. I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND AMERICANS TRYING TO BE IRISH.. YOUR AMERICAN FOR GODS SAKE AND BE HAPPY TO BE AMERICAN..JUST BECAUSE YOUR GREAT GREAT GRANNY UNCLE WAS IRISH DOES NOT MAKE YOU IRISH AND AS AN IRISHMAN MYSELF WE DO NOT ACCEPT THIS WHOLE IRISH AMERICAN RUBBISH YOU PEOPLE GO ON IT..
STEVENSTAR | Apr 14, 2012, 10:12 AM EDT
@@@@Curitiba | Apr 14, 2012, 08:49 AM EDT>>>>>>>>>>> YOU SOUND LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO IRELAND. FACT OF THE MATTER I WOULD FIND IT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE AN IRISH MAN WOULD BE SO POOR TO RETURN TO IRELAND FROM UK IN THE YEAR 2012 WHEN YOU CAN GET A RYANAIR FLIGHT FOR 20EURO RTURN .OR 10EURO ON THE FERRY .. WHERE DO YOU AMERICANS GET ALL THIS DRIBBLE FROM??? ..... YOU REALLY NEED TO EDUCATE YOURSELF MORE ABOUT IRELAND THE IRISH AND EUROPE BECAUSE BELIEVE ME WE HAVE ONE OF THE MOST EDUCATED WORKFORCE IN EUROPE AND WE ARE ALSO ALOT MORE WEALTHY AND FINANCILLY WELL OFF THEN AMERICANS WOUULD LIKE TO THINK...TYPICAL AMERICAN IGNORANCE ABOUT THE REST OF THE WORLD..
STEVENSTAR | Apr 14, 2012, 10:08 AM EDT
WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT !! HERE ARE SOME FACTS.. I'M IRISH I LIVE IN IRELAND AND I WAS BORN HERE.. Americans are liked by the OLDER GENERATION MORE SO. when Americans do come here they spend very little and travel around in coach tours.. In the last 10 - 15 years Most of our tourisn comes from Europe mainly UK GERMANY AND FRANCE NOT AMERICA ...so please cut all the bull about Ireland been so dependent on Americans for tourism.. fact of the matter most Americans find Ireland expensive and the exchange rate of the dollar to the euro also puts americans off coming here..
faberm1 | Apr 14, 2012, 09:21 AM EDT
I am always touched in Ireland when people ask me "How long are ye home for?". My family came to America centuries ago, and that makes me feel like in a special way I am indeed home. That's so very very nice. I appreciate that and this article.
Curitiba | Apr 14, 2012, 08:49 AM EDT
Very good article, Cormac, but let us not forget the "Plastic Paddies", those sons and daughters of the hundreds of thousands of Irish migrants to Britain, whose menfolk were known as "MacAlpine's Fusiliers". The men and women of Ireland who contributed massively to Britain's postwar reconstruction and economic development, many of whom are elderly and live in poverty in England today, unable to return to Ireland for that reason. Many others, of course, became prosperous, and their children, who received the education that their parents did not get the opportunity to, form the largest ethnic Irish community outside of the USA, but who faced the same "you're not Irish" attitudes from the Ireland-born Irish. Of course, Cormac, it would be untrue that all people with Irish accents hold this unenlightened attitutes, many have have the attitude "if you're Irish, you're Irish", meaning it doesn't matter where you're born, only ancestry matters. But discrimination against ethnic Irish by those born in the home country must be made as unacceptable as racism.