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We should be tough enough to take Mayor Bloomberg's joke

Posted on Saturday, February 12, 2011 at 04:45 AM

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The other night Mayor Bloomberg jokingly called us - Irish /Irish-Americans - a bunch of drunks. Some people were offended; some were outraged. As for me, I'll give him a pass. In fact, in some ways I admire his attempt at reasserting one of my favorite aspects of New York: the way two rival ethnic groups can respect each other and indulge in (understood) light-hearted stereotyping.

The context matters. The Mayor wasn't speaking at a press conference or even issuing an annoyed or angry off-the-cuff comment. He wasn't at a dinner honoring Jewish (or Italian or Russian or Hispanic) New Yorkers.

He was at an Irish event that he had been invited to. It was an event organized by the American Irish Historical Society, an organization that celebrates the Irish contribution to America.

I'm sure the Mayor was comfortable at such a relaxed occasion and assessed the gathering as successful, confident people proud of their Irish heritage, secure enough to take a little ribbing from someone they all know respects them. Unfortunately he was wrong.

John Dunleavy, Chairman of the St. Patrick's Day Parade, said Bloomberg, "wouldn't make a joke about any other ethnic group." You know what? Dunleavy might well be right, but so what? Bloomberg's blooper merely shows that he thought (a) the Irish could take it because their success belies the basis of the stereotype and (b) that the audience in front of him would know he meant nothing malicious.

It would have been far better had Dunleavy or someone else in the audience responded in that witty, sarcastic manner that is (or used to be?) our stock in trade.

The college I went to was almost evenly split between the Irish and Italians. We used to say all sorts of things to each other, the types of things that would probably have you in front of an anti-bullying tribunal today. But none of it was real. It didn't mean a thing and didn't stop us being friends. Good friends. Best man at each others' weddings sort of friends. It was only fun and we all knew it.

When I worked downtown I used to engage in this sort of banter with Jewish colleagues. I loved it there too, even though it was a little different than it was with my Italian college friends.

It is an aspect of life in Ireland that I miss about life in New York: this good-natured ethnic give and take among friends, colleagues and peers.

The Jews and the Irish in New York have been rubbing up against each for 150+ years, from the stinking ghettos all the way to the top of New York's business, legal, financial and political spheres. Sure there has been aggravation and bad blood between them at times, but today the two groups look eye-to-eye at one another at the top of the pile. It's a relationship of equals, which is why Bloomberg would feel he could make such a joke at the expense of the Irish.

I have to admit I'm not a big fan of the Mayor. He's too much of an old fussbudget for me. I would normally be be happy to see him brought down a peg, especially slipping on an Irish banana skin.

Yet the reaction to the Mayor's little joke doesn't make me happy at all. Actually it makes me a bit sad to think that these little jokes are no longer 'allowed' in New York.

The Mayor's transgression was less than Ronan Tynan's (not knowing his audience) and I thought the reaction to him was far too severe. New Yorkers used to have a thicker skin, but nowadays everyone's too darn sensitive. It's time to toughen up and that includes the Irish.

{Photo: Mayor Bloomberg at the unveiling Ireland's national monument to the Fighting 69th in Ballymote, Co. Sligo in 2006.}




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I'd like to add my own bi-partisan two cents.. Personally, I wasn't offended, but I'm usually not offended by anything. It wasn't a religious stab, nor was it a malicious racial slurr with intention to offend. In New York, the culture and up-bringing is different. Mayor Bloomberg is a New Yorker, through and through. His language at home works for people at home, the same as different dialects of the same language. Think of how many dialects there are for Gaelic. Those city folks likely didn't take offense, just laughed it off. Are they ignorant or just don't care, and does it matter that much? However, the fact of the matter remains that he made a remark he probably could've thought twice about while being a politician, but particularly given the situation and the broad audience. Agreeably, if a comment was made about him being a "penny pinching Jew" then there would be problems.. BUT, if the parties are seeing one another as friends and equals then why not? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Sure, it carries more weight since he's a politician. Yeah he botched, but it's not the end of the world, either. I'm also pretty certian it'll never happen again.
Go raibh mile maith agat, Katiemac
Bloomberg is a punk and should be called out on this one. I'm sorry isn't good enough. No Irish politician would get away with "joking" about Jews!
Amen. I have always considered we Irish the Lost Tribe. If we can't take a joke, then shame on us. Besides, there is a lot of truth behind the stereotype. Anyone want to take The Pledge?
you can be ok with allowing the Mayor his joke at the expense of our race given our history ..downtrodden etc...why think this is ok....there is a serious history of alcoholism in Ireland...it is not anything to laugh at ...or to allow anybody to think it's funny. Just reflect a little....make fun of our accents....anything....but not alcohol....maybe having an alcoholic in our family makes it personal...
Well said Katiemac.
A storm in a tea cup.
"Out o' what?" I mean to type!
A priest and a rabbi are walking together past a school yard. The priest says "You wanna *&$% one of those kids? The rabbi answers "Oughta what?"
@seanaci...Not really. "Jewish" is also cultural since there are plenty of "Jewish" people who don't practice their religion. And there are also people who convert to Judaism who have no cultural connection. And the typical "Jewish joke" doesn't refer to religious practices but Jewish social culture or perhaps even physical appearance. So yes, the comparison is appropriate, although there are plenty of other examples, too.
Yank, who wasted money sending you to college?. Ignorance and stupidity is still alive and well, just like your acceptance of sterotyping. This was akin to going into a Jewish Temple and saying, "Heil Hitler". Really stupid.
Comparing Irish jokes to Jewish jokes is comparing apples to oranges. "Irish" refers to a country of origin, "Jewish" refers to religious beliefs. Bloomberg did not say anythign about Catholics.
Total misrepresentation of the issue, Yank. It's not about how "tough" the Irish nor whether or not there is "truth" in what Bloomberg said. The Irish are more than tough enough and nobody is claiming that we don't drink our fair share. The issue here is whether or not the Mayor should be held accountable for his comments. According to your theory, apparently, nobody need EVER be held accountable for their words or deeds as long as "noboby got hurt." But it's not the EFFECT of the comments but the INTENT that is important. In other words, WHY would he say such things to an Irish audience and WHY should we pretend like we didn't hear what he said? I don't much care for political correctness in general but since that's the world we live in these days there's no reason why the Irish should allow themselves to be punching bags when other groups do not. So don't worry about the Irish response but instead focus on the person who made the comments. Just because we CAN "take it" doesn't mean we should HAVE to...
It is not that we are thin-skinned, it is that this man is so sensitive to the feelings of everyone else. This is the same person that thinks the rights of the mosque investors are more important than the feelings of the families who buried their loved ones @ the WTC site. Many of these families are Irish-American as well. Where is the same sensitivity that he shows to virtually every other minority group?
I agree with The Yank 100%.I,m a New Yorker & Irish American and it didn't bother me a bit.I,ve been to Ireland many times and i can honestly say that Americans drink more then the Irish.In my experiance anyhow.The Irish drink much slower by far.Not saying i never saw a drunk Irishmen but the worst i ever saw was a drunk Irish women( girl really).




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