Tourists should not be hassled for bridge tolls
Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2010 at 01:10 PM
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Ireland's Minister for Tourism is in America at the moment in an effort to encourage more of you to come on over for a visit. Great stuff. American visitors get a good welcome here and, well, there are many tourism related enterprises that could use the business.There two things Minister Mary Hanafin should tackle to make the visitor's experience even better. Both relate to driving in Ireland, which can be stressful enough for visitors to this country. I'll deal with one of those two today.
The first issue relates to road tolls and one toll in particular. A few years ago the government eliminated the toll booths on the M50, which is the main highway that runs around Dublin and connects the Belfast road with the roads to the south and west. It's a key road.
When the government got rid of the toll booths they didn't just forgo all that toll money. Oh, no. They installed a license plate scanning system that records each trip on the road as it crosses the River Liffey.
This development freed up the road; no more lengthy back-ups at the toll booths. All car owners can register their car so that the toll is automatically deducted from an account via their credit/debit card. Kind of like the E-Z Pass system only you don't have to slow down. You can zip through at 65MPH. There are no booths at all. No toll booths where tourists and others can pull up and pay the toll.
That's the crux of the problem. For tourists this becomes a real hassle. The car rental companies are at pains to point out to tourists that they must pay these tolls if they use the M50. And, the only way to pay the toll is to find a store that has the facility to let you do so.
There are a couple of stores near where I live that provide this service, but none of them has easy parking, which only increases the hassle. A tourist has to (a) find one of these stores and then (b) find somewhere to park near to the store and go pay the €3 ($3.65). Oh, and they have to know the license plate number when they get to the counter or it's back to the car to check.
I've never had to go looking for one of these pay-points, but it is easy to imagine how frustrating this would be when you've arrived in a strange country and you're just figure out the roads. You just want to get where you're going and begin to relax and enjoy yourself, but no.
Having to remember to pay the toll is bad enough, but then you must hunt down a shop that may or may not exist, in a town you don't know, with no phone and most likely no suitable map. And you have to do that by 8pm the day after you cross the bridge.
And you may not even realize you've even crossed the bridge {photo of bridge's underside above}. I've talked to a couple of Americans who've driven over that bridge without even being aware of it. It's not hard to miss the signs indicating you've crossed the bridge and there's absolutely no indication on the road itself: no change in surface or even paint, no steel structure overhead that is a feature of most bridges, nothing that shouts out, "This is the toll bridge you've heard about."
This is just plain stupid. Tourists should be exempt from this toll or at the very least, paying it should be no hassle. Instead you have visitors coming here whose last experience of Ireland will be a charge on their credit card for a toll they knew nothing about AND a €50 ($60) fine. What sort of lasting impression is that creating?
This isn't rocket science. The government should exempt tourists, but failing that at a minimum they should make it so that rental companies can add these costs (& nothing more) to the rental bill in order to minimize the upset to tourists. It's simple common sense.
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TheYank | Aug 11, 2010, 12:24 PM EDT
"The dogs in the street knew about it". Anyone who didn't is doubly stupid.
George, I was one of those doubly stupid people. When I first moved here it just seemed impossible that corruption on such a scale - and so well known - was possible without the media discussing it. I heard rumors, but thought they were just griping. Now I know differently. Was I the only one who didn't believe it? Maybe being an American made me more gullible than most Irish people, but I think there were a lot of people who thought this was more political griping than real corruption.
George, I was one of those doubly stupid people. When I first moved here it just seemed impossible that corruption on such a scale - and so well known - was possible without the media discussing it. I heard rumors, but thought they were just griping. Now I know differently. Was I the only one who didn't believe it? Maybe being an American made me more gullible than most Irish people, but I think there were a lot of people who thought this was more political griping than real corruption.
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TheYank | Aug 11, 2010, 12:20 PM EDT
michaelcollins,
I take your point, but the bridge I'm talking about is on the main highway circling Dublin and crosses the Liffey. There is no easy way around it and the "scenic route" means a lot of time on clogged Dublin side streets.
I take your point, but the bridge I'm talking about is on the main highway circling Dublin and crosses the Liffey. There is no easy way around it and the "scenic route" means a lot of time on clogged Dublin side streets.
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TheYank | Aug 11, 2010, 12:16 PM EDT
Tourists have to pay tolls in the U.S. so why not in Ireland? This is just another example of a Yank thinking he's above it all. Very annoying.
Okay, hold on. I actually live in Ireland and pay my tolls without hassle because I can set up the credit card account needed to do so. Tourists can't do that and have to go looking for a shop that handles these transactions. It's really way too awkward and annoying, not the sort of thing that says, "Ireland of the Welcomes."
Furthermore, the United States does stupid things to tourists too, like charging them $14 to cover the cost of security checks on themselves.
Okay, hold on. I actually live in Ireland and pay my tolls without hassle because I can set up the credit card account needed to do so. Tourists can't do that and have to go looking for a shop that handles these transactions. It's really way too awkward and annoying, not the sort of thing that says, "Ireland of the Welcomes."
Furthermore, the United States does stupid things to tourists too, like charging them $14 to cover the cost of security checks on themselves.
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michaelcollins | Jul 27, 2010, 04:08 AM EDT
you don't have to drive on the tolled road...just drive around it...its more scenic
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irisheyesjenn | Jul 26, 2010, 09:47 AM EDT
Tourists have to pay tolls in the U.S. so why not in Ireland? This is just another example of a Yank thinking he's above it all. Very annoying.
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GeorgeDavis | Jun 30, 2010, 02:40 PM EDT
Yank: "Most of the corruption was unreported" --------Are you crazy? As the phrase they use in Ireland puts it - "The dogs in the street knew about it". Anyone who didn't is doubly stupid.
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mrwhatever | Jun 30, 2010, 01:28 PM EDT
As an American tourist I think we must remember that even though we are infusing vacation money into the Irish economy, we should pay the same amount that Irish citizens must pay if we are driving on toll roads/bridges etc. The cost of infrastructure maintenance is astronomical and road safety is a concern for all that use it.
With that said, I would agree that the current system needs to be streamlined. As stated earlier, having the car rental agency advise the tourist of the toll costs, where the toll roads and bridges are, and applying it to the bill would appear to be a simple fix for all parties.
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TheYank | Jun 29, 2010, 05:31 PM EDT
GeorgeDavis
Not much I can argue with, although I'm not sure you can say that those who voted for FF were stupid. Most of the corruption was unreported - thanks to excessively strict libel laws, etc. - and not only an FF phenomenon. Otherwise, yup, pretty stupid (or corrupt) decisions on the bridge.
Doesn't change the fact that the impact on tourists could be easily righted, however.
Not much I can argue with, although I'm not sure you can say that those who voted for FF were stupid. Most of the corruption was unreported - thanks to excessively strict libel laws, etc. - and not only an FF phenomenon. Otherwise, yup, pretty stupid (or corrupt) decisions on the bridge.
Doesn't change the fact that the impact on tourists could be easily righted, however.
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TheYank | Jun 29, 2010, 05:25 PM EDT
Ajreaper,
Yup, I think most tourists would accept paying tolls, but it shouldn't be such a chore to do so. You've mapped out a couple of possible solutions and there are probably many others. All that's required is a bit of thought: (a) think what it would be like to be a tourist in such a situation and (b) think of workable solution(s) and implement it.
Yup, I think most tourists would accept paying tolls, but it shouldn't be such a chore to do so. You've mapped out a couple of possible solutions and there are probably many others. All that's required is a bit of thought: (a) think what it would be like to be a tourist in such a situation and (b) think of workable solution(s) and implement it.
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GeorgeDavis | Jun 29, 2010, 02:07 PM EDT
This is an example of the monumental incompetence of Fianna Fail (and the stupidity of those who vote for them). Under Fianna Fail, the state built 99% of the trajectory of the M50 orbital that circles Dublin. But for some reason the state did not build the remaining element, which was merely a bridge over the river Liffey. They gave that out to a private company, with the right to charge megatolls for decades. Actually we know the reason--corruption and graft. And finally, in one more burst of incompetence, Fianna Fail bought back what they should never have given away. Result? A few make millions, Irish taxpayers get screwed.
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Ajreaper | Jun 29, 2010, 01:00 PM EDT
I know this sound overly simplistic but based on the plate number they'd know it was a rental and based on day and date stamp they'd know who had rented it so could it not just be charged to the credit card of whomever rented the car? Or perhaps institute a "tax" on all rentals to cover the cost of tolls- after all where I reside tourist who rent cars are helping us "pay" for a whole host of things that are completely unrelated to their travel here (in many cases) so it seems reasonable to me that 1) a tourist should pay just as anyone else who uses the road does and 2) find a simple way for them to do so-I don't think most would complain about paying the fee but many would not wish to waste any of the time they have in Ireland trying to do so. And my hat's off to those who choose to drive in Ireland- I kept looking the wrong dang way when preparing to cross streets don't even want to think about negoiating roads and highways.
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