Michael Noonan doesn't get that emigration is a disaster for Ireland
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| Michael Noonan - Ireland's Minister for Finance |
Frankly, I think Noonan's language was a bit clunky, but the gist of his full answer was not as insensitive as was portrayed by the media.
He cited his own family as an example of what he meant. Noonan said his three grown up children were living abroad, but this was a "free choice of lifestyle and what they wanted to do with their lives." He added that he didn't think "any of the three could be described as an emigrant."
I disagree with him on that last point. His children are emigrants even if they were not, as he admitted others have been, "driven abroad." Noonan noted the differences between his children's experiences and those thousands who have left Ireland recently after losing their jobs in a bloated construction sector. Most of those people have "absolutely no hope ... of being re-employed in the building industry again in Ireland."
Is that really all that insensitive? It's candid, but true too. Would it be better if he'd said that he hoped one day all of those people would be able to come back and find positions in construction even though he knows that cannot - and should not - happen? Of course not because that would be insulting to them and to all of us still living in Ireland.
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Although I don't accept that Noonan was being insensitive, I wouldn't have a problem with him even if he had been insensitive. I'm sick of sensitive politicians. I don't want them to 'feel my pain.'
The problem with what Noonan said is that emigration is a huge negative for Ireland, but he doesn't seem to understand that..
If emigration is a positive for the country then by all means let's hear Michael Noonan make the case. We won't hear anything of the kind, however, because emigration is a loser for the nation whether the people emigrating are "driven abroad" or not.
Noonan's comment about it being a "lifestyle" choice is ridiculous. It's been a "lifestyle choice" for decades. Even those who left in the 1950s left not because they were facing death by starvation, but because they couldn't face a lifetime of subsistence farming or life as one of the many urban poor. They knew there was a better life out there and they went to find it. That was the choice they made. Others made the opposite choice. It was a choice, a "lifestyle" choice if you like.
Every emigrant is a loss, a loss of someone with the spunk and ambition enough to strike out for a foreign land, with the desire for change that a belief that there can be something new and they can make that happen. These people are risk-takers, the same people who might open a new business if they saw sufficient light at the end of the tunnel. In Ireland today, as in the 1980s and the 1950s, the light at the end of the tunnel is too dim and too far away to keep these people here.
Noonan concluded his remarks with, "What we have to make sure is that our young people have the best possible education right up to third level so that when they go, they’re employed as young professionals in their country of destination rather than the kind of traditional image of Irish emigrants in the 1950s."
In other words, we should tax ourselves til it hurts to provide a first class education - "right up to third level" - for people who are then going to take all that expensive book learning and head overseas and enhance the economy of some other country.
What's the sense in that? Are we better off because we paid so much to prepare these people to be productive in some other nation's economy? Those who left in the 1950s were a big loss in terms of energy and ambition, but at least they weren't taking tens of thousands of dollars worth of education with them.
Here's an analogy. What if the New York Mets General Manager proclaimed himself satisfied that at least when Jose Reyes left for the Florida Marlins that he took with him the years of training and development the Mets had provided him? Now imagine if Reyes had left the Mets not after six years in the Major Leagues, but just as he was ready to begin his big league career, to begin helping his team win games. The GM would be fired for saying something so stupid, but that's essentially what Noonan said last week.
The Minister for Finance of a bankrupt nation doesn't recognize that losing people who have just completed years of expensive education, who are on the cusp of becoming productive citizens, is a disaster for the country.
Noonan didn't need to soothe our hurt feelings and he shouldn't have tried. That's not his job. What he should have done is demonstrate that he understood what emigration really means to Ireland. He should have expressed disappointment that the government has so far failed to find the means to entice those people to stay. He needed to show a determination to stem that flow immediately.
He didn't do so because he doesn't get it. To Noonan and to the governing classes generally, emigration is a safety valve, a means of getting the most disgruntled out of their hair. For that reason, history will go on repeating itself.
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ciaradexy | Feb 01, 2012, 04:45 PM EST
News flash! Airport was full of foreigners!!!
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GeorgeDillon | Jan 26, 2012, 04:10 PM EST
Yank, how can there be a job shortage when foreign migrants are flooding into Ireland and in most cases finding work? Last time I was in Dublin Airport--just a few weeks back--the place was full of Eastern Europeans, Indians, Arabs, filipinos and Africans. Both traveling and working. Very few Irish, it's as if the Irish borrowed billions to build an airport for the foreigners! I have no sympathy at all for the current Irish mania for emigration. They prefer fight to flight. God Bless the Egyptians and other nations that have some cojones.
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joycean | Jan 26, 2012, 08:19 AM EST
Hi Yank, Actually, my husband is no longer at a competetive disadvantage because we are now semi-retired and we have always been very good at finding ways to spread out our income sources and practice more efficiently than our competition. For 30 years we struggled financially though, so I do sympathize with today's young American graduates who have taken on huge debts. Actually, dentistry isn't the worst case, becaue it not only requires a huge educational cost, it also requires a huge set-up cost, and very difficult licensing requirements, which make it difficult for any one, especially a foreigner, to practice in this country. More of a concern to young American dentists are out-of-the-country dental clinics in places like Mexico or India.
Irish dentists have their own issues. When we were in Ireland last year, a relative of mine commented that there were radio advertisements from England for Irish dentists. Also, we listened to a radio interview with a young Irish dentist who had had to close his practice because the government had suddenly stopped paying for dental care in "medical card" services. Since it happened suddenly, every dental clinic in Ireland with a large indigent population was in trouble.
I mentioned the US conspiracy theory as something a poster was arguing. It was curious, just an example of how quick some people are to imagine there is a conspiracy behind anything.
The US faces a lot of problems that it has brought upon itself from competition, especially from places like China. America has signed a lot of "free trade" agreements that have resulted in a loss of jobs in this country. I think we have to begin to rebuild our economy by returning to protectionism: that is part of the theory behind the EU.Other countries use it against us.
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faberm1 | Jan 26, 2012, 08:11 AM EST
Emigration is a "disaster" for Ireland. As minister of Finance he should be trying to figure out how to create an economy that keeps Ireland's most precious resource ( her children ) and not export them.
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TheYank | Jan 26, 2012, 06:42 AM EST
joycean,
The US is not conspiring to "take advantage' of Ireland's loss," but I think they should be. I wrote about that recently, that America is losing out to Canada & Australia. The young & educated are going to go somewhere, why shouldn't America try and lure them?
I understand your concerns with regards to your husband, but that's competition, no? Do you boycott technology/cellular firms that use Indian or Chinese trained programmers/technicians rather than American educated programmers/technicians? Do you steer clear of banks that recruit European-educated traders rather than American-educated traders?
In each of those cases consumers - and ultimately the American economy - is benefiting from other nations' tax-payer funded education systems. I'm not sure why consumers of dental services should not enjoy similar competitive forces, although I acknowledge your husband would be at a competitive disadvantage.
The US is not conspiring to "take advantage' of Ireland's loss," but I think they should be. I wrote about that recently, that America is losing out to Canada & Australia. The young & educated are going to go somewhere, why shouldn't America try and lure them?
I understand your concerns with regards to your husband, but that's competition, no? Do you boycott technology/cellular firms that use Indian or Chinese trained programmers/technicians rather than American educated programmers/technicians? Do you steer clear of banks that recruit European-educated traders rather than American-educated traders?
In each of those cases consumers - and ultimately the American economy - is benefiting from other nations' tax-payer funded education systems. I'm not sure why consumers of dental services should not enjoy similar competitive forces, although I acknowledge your husband would be at a competitive disadvantage.
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LoyalCitizen | Jan 25, 2012, 04:55 PM EST
Michael Noonan is a bond holder and as long as he gets his money he would not care.
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joycean | Jan 25, 2012, 03:24 PM EST
Good article. So the Irish feel the money they spend on the education of young people who choose to emigrate is a loss to the country. Some Irish posters have suggestd that the US is conspiring to take advantage of Ireland's loss.However, since we have a lesser degree of government education funding, we aren't trying to take advantage of Ireland's state funded young graduates because they would be competition for our young people who have often taken on huge student loans and need jobs to pay them back. My husband is a dentist, and it took us 10 years after undergraduate and profession school for us to finish paying for his education. If Irish dentists were allowed to practice here, that would be a serious disadvantage to American trained dentists.
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