America's Irish immigrants - not Irish enough to be President of Ireland
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| Irish Presidential candidate Dana Rosemary Scallon |
It's true too. She is. Scallon became an American citizen during the 1990s. The Irish Times said she'd become American in 1997 before her last bid to become President of Ireland. Scallon said it was 1999 and it seems to probably be the case as the source for the Irish Times' story has rowed back somewhat on her testimony.
As the story unfolded on Friday I got more and more annoyed as Scallon's American citizenship took on the aura of a social disease. Twitter and talk radio were ablaze with people indignant that this woman who had taken out American citizenship should want to be President of Ireland.
It is vaguely amusing because the Irish Constitution doesn't actually disallow an Irish citizen from the Presidency simply because they happen to also be a citizen of another country. You may well think that's a bit lax, but the Irish Constitution was "written"* by American-born Eamon De Valera. He somehow failed to exclude himself from any governmental role, including President when the Constitution was being drafted.
So, there is no restriction on an American citizen becoming President of Ireland.
Fortunately the matter of the Oath of Allegiance provided an out for those who prefer their political assassinations to be less obviously based on bigotry. The Irish Times got the ball rolling by "helpfully" reproducing the oath Scallon had to take when she became American. They pontificated on the fact that she had declared that she does "entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty ..." when she became a citizen.
That's true too. She said those words, or some form of them, when she became an American citizen. However, Ireland, like the United Kingdom and other countries, doesn't accept the renunciation in the American oath. She retained all rights of citizenship after taking the oath that she had before she did so. There is absolutely no legal impediment to her becoming President of Ireland.
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There is nothing legally preventing Scallon from becoming President, but the Irish Times and others are keen to prevent someone of that type from becoming President. What type is that? Irish immigrants to America.
Niall O'Dowd ran into the same bigoted nonsense earlier this year when he was only exploring a possible run for the Presidency.
And, yes I am convinced it really is only Irish immigrants to America who would be targeted in this way. If one of the candidates had spent years living in France, speaking French and living as an immigrant in France we'd be told over and over how great it would be to have such a sophisticate in the post. If the person had lived in Indonesia, we'd hear about how the candidate could help us renew our ties to the third world.
However, if you go to America and live as immigrants to America live you're told you are no longer Irish. Not really. You're sort of tainted Irish. Good enough for us to woo if you're successful in business or to invite to a "homecoming," but don't for one minute think you're still one of us.
One thing O'Dowd got right that Scallon got wrong was that he didn't apologize or run away from his decision to become an American. Millions have made the same journey over the past two centuries and to give into this bigotry would have been an insult to all those who went to America, many because they were driven there by poverty and political ineptitude, but who nonetheless remained proud to be Irish and passed that pride down to their American born children, grandchildren and so on.
Scallon, unfortunately, said she "would have no problem giving up my US citizenship if that was the wish of the Irish people." How craven.
She should have spit in their eye and told them that she was proud to have become an American and saw no conflict between being an American citizen and serving as President of Ireland. She could have just said she would abstain from participating in the American political process while serving as President. That would have been fine.
The President of Ireland has limited constitutional responsibilities. The role of the President these days is one of national cheerleader and promoter. An American, whether an immigrant from Ireland or of Irish descent, would be a great idea. It would demonstrate that all this talk about harnessing the diaspora's potential isn't just guff or a cash call. Even in a losing effort Scallon could have been that candidate, but instead she chose to accept the Irish Times' denigration of America's Irish immigrants.
* The Constitution is often said to have been "written by Dev," but in fact he closely oversaw the drafting process.
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Rebelforce | Oct 11, 2011, 05:52 PM EDT
Is Dana Irish or American? She needs to buy one of those "Certificates of Irishness" to settle this matter once and for all.
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RichardP | Oct 11, 2011, 05:27 PM EDT
With people going off half-cocked about Anti-Americanism here it's no surprise the actual issues have been conveniently overlooked. The primary issue was that she Scallon) had supposedly hidden her American citizenship deliberately because SHE thought it was an issue. That would suggest a deceitful intent and indeed a fraudulent intent if she were guilty of such a cover-up.
So wind your necks in a little on that one please. As for her American citizenship being an impediment to her candidacy, let's not forget that the good ole US of A prohibits American Citizens not born in the word's so-called greatest democracy from running for President of said country. The hypocritical rantings of "Anti-American! Shame!" need to be tempered with some real perspective.
I asked the question previously in response to another article and got no answers - so, once again, why do Dana Rosemary Scallon, martin McGuinness and our current Head of State Mary McAleese all want to be President of the Republic of Ireland when their so-called contributions to the country have all been in Northern ireland? What do they offer voters that people born and raised in the Republic do not - other than an opportunistic nature?
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cillowen | Oct 11, 2011, 04:37 PM EDT
nice lady but too dumpy lokoing for Aras
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Ajreaper | Oct 11, 2011, 02:52 PM EDT
If it is not contrary to Irish law what possible harm could come from allowing voters to determine who is or is not a qualified candidate? It seems perhaps there is a great deal of picking and choosing done over when an American is ok and not ok. No one should be judged souly on their nationality or citizenship- we all deserve better then that.
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Bailey2000 | Oct 11, 2011, 12:22 PM EDT
Actually I don't know why Niall O'Dowd gave up on his Presidential bid. I am not at all sure that looking at the number of largely lightweight candidates who have come forward that he might well have been elected. As for Dana, I really wouldn't get too exercised about the "American" issue. The truth is that the anti gay biased media shredded David Norris so they feel they now have to re balance by trying to stir up trouble for the other candidates too.
My feeling is that with recent visits by President Obama and Clinton the US has never been higher in Irish esteem.
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Invercolpa | Oct 11, 2011, 11:08 AM EDT
Unfortunately our tribalism once again blocks us from progress.I think Niall O'Dowd would make an excellent President but it was never to be.Our introverted xenophobic class of political mediocrity could never countenance a 'returned yank' in that position. Sure, wouldn't he only want to make a show of us with his foreign ways and habits from over there in America.
So lets fight it out amongst ourselves. So what if one candidate needs to deny ever murdering anyone of aiding or abetting murdering anyone. And another one uses his position to beg for clemency form a foreign power for a convicted rapist.And now even Dana,sweetness heart, is revealed as a liar.
I lived in Ireland for many years. I never met ANYBODY like these candidates.I did meet hundreds of honest,respectible, decent, trustworthy people.Why does one of them not become president? How come we always shoot ourselves in the foot and allow our political processes to yield up such moral bankrupts to lead us.They do not reflect the Irish people I know. So let him go back to the Bogside,let her stick to the singing and let him go back in the closet.Lets pick someone who at least appears to reflect the broad majority of our people.
Keep out the fringe dwellers.We deserve better.
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Yardleypa | Oct 11, 2011, 10:14 AM EDT
Tourism Ireland is doing its welcome home campaign whereby they hope to attract 350,000 emigrants back,it looks like they just want the money but no baggage.
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OBPiper | Oct 11, 2011, 10:11 AM EDT
OK, let the lassie renounce that American oath insofar as it conflicts with her loyalties to Ireland. America does allow some dual citizenships and maybe that should be pursued. But, please remember that the U.S.A. owes it existence to the Scotch Irish within (and the French from without) and that debt can never be repaid better than to honour a dual citizen to become President of Ireland as Ireland would have it.
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joycean | Oct 11, 2011, 09:51 AM EDT
Exactly what O'Dowd ran into. Very hypocritical of the Irish: holding meetings with wealthy Diaspora, planning a "homecoming" and at the same time this undercurrent of Anti-Americanism. Of course, many Irish-Americans will be oblivious. There is another article here about what not to do in Ireland. I wish someone could shake everone in Ireland and tell THEM to stop the double-dealing.
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sirpeter | Oct 11, 2011, 08:35 AM EDT
Anybody in Ireland who has a little bit to much Irish nationalism is going to be attacked with anything a certain group of people in this country can find.If there was no banning of Irish-Americans as President in the Irish constitution then the majority of the Irish people had no problem with it.If there is a smell of lime off the stick Dana is been beaten with,you know who is behind it all.It's hard to spot the Lime-y in a pint of Guinness but you can taste it all the same.It ruins a good pint.
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