Living My irish Dream


Living My Irish Dream by Mary Catherine Brouder

Ireland turns on gypsies homeless

Posted on Monday, September 20, 2010 at 06:44 AM

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No matter where you go in Dublin’s city center, and many large cities, you’ll almost always find people sitting on the street begging for their keep. There are the young runaways, the sullen addicts, and then there are Roma people, often referred to as gypsies.

Despite the fact that the Roma usually don’t exhibit addictions, have children with them, and maintain distinctly tidy appearances despite their meager means, it’s the Roma I hear my Irish friends and neighbors complaining about the most.

Since France officially began deporting hundreds of Roma families this week, I’ve taken part in more than a few interesting conversations. Several of my friends were, like me, horrified by the measure, but I was surprised to find that many people wholly supported the idea of involuntary deportations.

One friend launched into a tirade about the horrors of “the gypos.” When I pressed him to explain where his decidedly pejorative frame of mind about the Roma came from(perhaps personal experience?), he merely offered the usual, “they’re just rude, and so ignorant.”

Besides, he explained, “They hurt their children to help their chances of getting more money from begging.”

Did he have any proof to support such an accusation? None.

It seems to me that it would logically require much more parenting to raise a disabled child on the street, rather than a perfectly healthy one. And for that matter, wouldn’t it cost his parents more in lifelong medical treatments than they could ever hope to earn begging for change?

Even if that one didn’t make the most sense, he had another reason for his prejudice. “When you give them money, they pool it all together from all of their posts around the city and then when they get back to their camp, they divide it up.”
Well, that just sounded like an example of business savvy, or good sharing at least; hardly evidence of crookery and inherent dishonesty, as he would have me believe.

I spent time with Roma people a few months ago while working on a documentary about them. My co-producer and I traveled around Hungary, to some of the most destitute and hopelessly impoverished slums I have ever seen. And yet I’ve never meet people more eager to open up their homes and hearts to me, a perfect stranger with a video camera, than the Roma in those neighborhoods.

All of the families we visited gave us three kisses on the cheeks – a Hungarian custom – and offered us coffee and literally every single piece of food they had in their cubboards.

One older woman spoke about having barely enough money to buy loaves of bread to feed her family, and then laughed at the idea of being able to buy meat to put on those loaves. It was an awkward silence, full of shame and sorrow on my and my colleagues’ part, that followed. We had eat sandwiches for lunch, and the likes of big chicken dinners, every night that week.

The Roma are not just poor people. They live in homes without proper heating, electricity, or sanitation.

They live in conditions that no human should have to endure, and if they were anything but a convenient scapegoat for Europe’s financial problems, they wouldn’t be allowed to.

I spoke with Prof. Jack Greenberg, a civil rights attorney who spent time in South Africa during apartheid; he had also traveled through several Roma camps and neighborhoods in recent years. He described the living conditions in Roma camps and neighborhoods as worse than anything he had seen in the South African shanty towns.

The lucky ones get out of the places where they’ve historically suffered from slavery, genocide, discrimination, and marginalization, to start anew in places like France, or Ireland.

And when they get here, they fight for every dime they get. Yes, many are agressive when it comes to asking for money or food. I have had a few unpleasant experiences with Roma people pushing too far when begging or responding to my donations with ingratitude, but I often wonder how pushy I would be if I had to rely on the charity of other people to feed my children.

I bet I’d fight tooth and nail to get any money I could out of my fellow man. Maybe I wouldn’t be so polite if I saw people all around me wasting food and wearing pricey clothes while I spent my days worrying whether my family would end up going to bed hungry.

A few days ago, I met had a chance meeting with a Hungarian living in Ireland. So, I excitedly told him that I had traveled all around his country, documenting the plight of the Roma people. His facial expression turned from one of delight to disgust. “The Roma people?” he offered with a condescending snort.

“Have you been to any of the jails?” Well, no. “They’re full of Roma people.”
I started to speak about how a legacy of poverty and endless discrimination and marginalization leads to hopelessness, and often, in turn, crime.

He cut me off. “The police over there, they are afraid to arrest anybody because they’ll say, hey you’re just doing it because I’m Roma.” He finished this last bit with a satisfied imitation of a person playing the “poor me” card.

I thought about it for a moment, and then I realized that didn’t make any sense.
“Well,” I asked, “are the jails full of Roma people, or are the cops afraid to arrest them? It can’t be both.”

He had no answer for this. He, like millions of others all around the world, had been fed a bunch of tripe about people that are different, and being inclined to dislike what is unfamiliar, he agreed to allow every reason he was given, to support his theory. Even if they were literally contradictory and illogical.

Discrimination is never logical. Nor is it permissible.


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Comment seems to have disappeared. For the record, Romas make up 3% of the population of Hungary and make up 66% of the prison population in Hungary. Not sure why the comment disappeared, those facts are quite easy to check.
To answer Mary's problematic question, around 3% of the Hungarian nation are Roma and around 66% of prisoners are of Roma origin.
To MaryM232 Two things: 1 - Paper never refused ink, saying you read something about the gypsies doesn't equate to truth 2 - Ms. Brouder has in fact done her research travelling to Budapest and the like living amongst Roma people
Ms. Brouder, do you bother informing yourself before making such pronouncements or merely spout off when the whim takes you? I read the foreign press, and there has been one scandal after another for years about the Roma abusing their children. In Scotland, a group of Roma were found to be sexually abusing children, and pimping them out to pedophiles, in Italy, France and Spain, Roma physically harming their children either to qualify for more benefits for the disabled, or to get more money when the child begged as a disabled child earns more money out of sympathy. In Romania, Roma stealing children to smuggle out of the country to use as beggars, the way Fagan did in Dickens' Christmas Carol. I've read one article after another. The Roma are a criminal people, they aren't poor refuges.
I have seen and lived among the impverished. All should read this article. Also, Jesus encouraged us to feed the poor...
It's OK to want the Roma out of Ireland but the USA is to embrace the illegal mexican & the muslim. Both want to change America, not become part of it. Do as I say not as I do.
The Roma can live just as good, in Romania. Irish foreign minister should be able to advise the Romanian goverment on how to borrow money in the global finiancial markets ,to feed and house their Roma's at home, this way they would be living and raising their children in their cultural envoirment, and not subject to taxpayer resentment in other peoples homeland, who have to borrow to suport their own.
I would think that the writer would be glad not to make the acquaintance of posters who have no idea about dialogue...when something makes them feel uncomfortable...they resort to name calling, etc....easy to see that the mindset that has created this problem is alive and well.
Oh no another escapee from a suburban upper-middle class gated American community. here's an idea for you, live with your new friends for 6 months with no support from or contact with mommy and daddy, then come back here and give us your opinion, which will by then be an informed one. You have no idea how ridiculous you sound.
Dublinjas: Ms Brouder certainly has a cheek going to your country and telling you what to do. How many Roma are permitted to immigrate to the US? Let's say there are 3000 Roma in Ireland now. That would be the equivalent of about a quarter of a million in the US. Go lobby your Congressman to admit a quarter of a million Roma to the US, Brouder, you silly hypocrite.
Thieves Liars and Crooks that is what your friends the Roma are, Who have come to our country and terrorize our elderly and stink up our streets. And p/s Mary Catherine Brouder What are you actually doing in my country ? We don't need anymore UN reps so called do gooders in Ireland..If I passed you on the street I would not speak to you....Who are you anyway ??
Rubbish in rescuing these folk. Masterful con-artists passed down to the next generation in the same way we were drilled to work and be decent. Nothing in them has changed in forty years plus in my experience. A woman came to the door in Ireland when I was a boy. A child wrapped in a shawl "Buy a rose and God Bless You". The rose was folded pink toilet paper on a stick. My mother took pity. Brought her in. Heated soup for the child and herself. Bread. Roast chicken spuds you name it. Gave her groceries to take home. Her purse gone from the sideboard when she left bowing and scraping "And may Our Blessed Lady reward you" There is a syruped romance around these folk. Poor. Marginalized. There is also a stark reality check. What about my mother and us handed toilet paper and robbed via Jesus and Mary? They hate us. Thrive on it. Corrall in theft. Milk what's going with a 'pity us' smirk. A gypsy is a gypsy. Beyond reach as of choice. Percecuted Romas my arse. This Article attempts to lift people who are content in their side-glance devious Religion of take 'three kisses on the cheek' or no. When did they ever bring out the fiddles and join in?
And btw Mary (this article's author), your last statement is both typically liberal -- and proposterous. Discrimination (not just the word but the whole NOTION of which has been stigmatized as 'bad') is PERFECTLY logical, in certain kinds of circumstances. If a person is causing trouble, you throw them out of the pub (that's what bouncers are for) -- that's discrimination. If you're a practicing Baptist, good luck joining the Catholic church (again, discrimination). Which set of clothes did you put on this morning -- over which others? Discrimination. Could I as a white joint the Nation of Islam? Probably not...again, discrimination. Discrimination is not only NOT bad and indeed permissible, but absolutely CALLED FOR, under certain circumstances. Tolerance is not always good, just as intolerance is not always bad. It's always circumstantial, and case-by-case...and I'm only sorry, Mary, that you chose the oh-so-easy, rubber-stamp and utterly WRONG approach of broadbrushing yet another entire concept, just because political correctness has made it easy to do so, and because you think no one will dare directly challenge the notion -- and we'll just 'shame them away' if they do, right? Well...it ain't happening. You really do need to become less cliche'd and more of a thinker. Take it as constructive criticism; that's how I mean it.
I don't like seeing anyone in abject poverty any more than any other caring person (I sponsor a child overseas, myself) -- but folks, no nation can just let themselves be overrun with a foreign people who do not assimilate, do not contribute, and who further tax a system that's already facing financial collapse and cannot affort it. Deportations, like they're already doing in France, also need to happen in Ireland -- and that's not doing something just to be 'mean' but for national survival. Tough decisions have to be made here, folks...and Ireland (and the USA, for that matter, with its massive illegal alien problem) cannot just keep putting it off. These are serious matters that need serious attention, NOW. Our countries cannot -- I repeat, CANNOT -- keep going as they are and have been (turning a blind eye to massive influxes of foreigners). Deportation is in fact a solution. Saying 'You can't do that! How cruel!" is NOT a solution; it's just being a cheerleader of the unsustainable status-quo, for purely emotional reasons. And that is NOT an option. Oh, and lest anyone accuse me of never having interacted with the Gypsies in Ireland -- I have. I've been panhandled to (in Derry City), and I've heard it directly from business employees, in Donegal: they shoplift and steal, and you have to keep a close eye on them whenever they're in the store. My question is, what in the world are they even doing in Ireland, at all? THEY...SHOULD...NOT...EVEN...BE...THERE.
looking at the comments and the article, neither shows a solution. After all, surely begging on the streets of Dublin isn't a long term career prospect? And we've already been through this with the traveler's trying to get a solution, and it seems failed. I'm not saying don't be nice, I said hi to the Roma Woman in the galway alley every day though I don't know if I ever gave her money...she didn't seem to mind... perhaps now though the pressure of no money in the country is affecting them too. If begging is a lifestyle, Ireland isn't the place to do it these days. Like all migrant workers (?) when the economy buckets it's time to go home, because you cannot stop humans under pressure resenting any further push on their already meager resources. I had a weird conversation with my sister about travelers as an ethnic minority, she was all for. I was 'but their Irish', I wasn't saying their way of life shouldn't be supported as an Irish cultural choice (though subject to the same laws ;>) but that they were Irish not some strangers in our midst. And of course we need to take care of our own. But considering how that's working out.. not sure we can be great help to the Roma people. It seems like something that should be addressed at a EU level with discussions with the Roma themselves.
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