Ireland turns on gypsies homeless

I think Miss Brouder should lobby the American parliament to take in the Gypsies and give them housing and benefits. She seems quite keen for other Countries to do so.

Am I missing something? Is there some innate reason these folks can't go to school, get a JOB, and be PRODUCTIVE in society? The article acknowleges that begging is their business, but not that this is NOT a legitimate business activity, so why smile at it, Ms Brouder? Perhaps the reason the Roma are pushed from place to place is that no country considers this exploitation of pity to be a desirable trade, but the Roma won't change. Also, it is well documented that begging 'cartels' have crippled children to make them appear more sympathetic and thus more profitable to their handlers. This is a filthy business-do NOT try to defend it somehow as a human right!

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Mary has posted this article twice. The "deleted" posts are on the other version.

Of interest to previous poster: This study reports that 48% of Irish adult men engage in an episode of binge drinking at least once a week compared to 9% in Germany, 8% in France, and 11% in Italy (Ramstedt and Hope, 2005). Roma, gypsies, Travelers all together make up less than half of 1 percent of the population and that includes women and children...so the award for overindulgence in alcohol goes to.......

MY POST WAS CENSORED, A CLEAN FACTUAL STATMENT,

(...contd) ‘Tinkers’ on the other hand are genuine travelling tradesmen and craftspeople; they too travel the roads of Ireland, offering pots and pans they make from scrap metals (Get it? “Tin”-kers?) But they are prone to overindulgence in alcohol, just like their brethren the ‘Knackers’. Knackers are no-good travellers and street beggars – the “Have pity on poor me” kind; the “Look at me, my husband beat me up last night: spare me a few coins an’ I’ll say a prayer for you” kind. Genuine Gypsies are rare in Ireland these days... they’ve moved on to England where they complain that the British Govt isn’t doing enough to help them. And so it goes on... endlessly, until European leaders and policy-makers get a grip on how to deal with beggars. With all the benefits that most Europen countries offer unemployed people, there should not be a single beggar out on the streets of their streets.

(...Contd) Others became ‘New Age Travellers’, going from town to town in droves of plush caravans, selling carpets, rugs, holy pictures and whatever else door-to-door, looking smart in business suits. A large number of these ‘New Age’ people own modern luxury homes on the outskirts of Limerick city but still travel the country roads selling dubious ‘genuine’ Iranian rugs, carpets etc. They look smart and clean, are generous to a fault, when attending Sunday Masses wherever they stop off, in placing money on the church collection plates but never pay national taxes, operating in such a way as to avoid doing so and always park illegally in church or train car parks or wherever else they can find until thrown out by Court Orders, only to move on to the next town and do the same. (More...)

I have to challenge thinking regarding names like ‘Travellers’, ‘Tinkers’, ‘Gypsies’ and ‘Knackers’ such as exist in Ireland. The phrase ‘Travelling Community’ applies to all four but each is a class of its own. Efforts have been going on over the past good few years to take the ‘Travelling Community’ off the roads of Ireland and settle them in permanent, heated, comfortable homes. Some have settled and become members of the local communities. Many are rejected by local communities which don’t want ‘Travellers’ in their midsts, not without cause mind you: settled travellers often throw drunken parties with guests every night and violently wreck the houses they’ve been allocated by Local Authorities. (More..)

Cavantown (Sep 21, 10.31) picks up exactly on my point: you can scam the charitable and cheat the law of the land by worthlessly playing a musical instrument while publicly displaying a begging bowl on the streets of Ireland to avoid being arrested for begging. Busking is legal in Ireland, since Ireland changed the law to classify musical beggars are “Street Entertainers”, “working” for their street money and therefore cannot be beggars. Pull me other leg please, I need another laugh.

why are my posts being deleted

my post was censored

The name Roma does not come from amor i.e.love spelt backwords it more likely comes from Romania where a lot of them used to live as well as neighboring Hungary. Contrary to the assertions of a previous commentator they are not a free love people. Quite puritanical among their own group as a matter of fact ;sexual promiscuity among them is regarded as unclean. Also since when did Irish courts start confiscating peoples property in secret unless you owed the government money for back taxes. I think some people are living in a dream world or are deliberately making up dream stories that are not true. Also why should the Catholic church persecute the Roma. Most of Europes gypsies or Roma are Catholic anyway and in whatever country or continent they lived in they always deferred to the majority religion. Very open minded people that way anyhow

When people from Ireland left to start a new life in America, they did just that. Built a home, found a job, became American with Irish roots. What they didn't do is turn up and expect hand outs from the state. Ireland cannot become a dumping ground for Europes poor. If immigrants can integrate into the state and put something into the "bucket" before taking it out, then I don't think it would be such an issue.

Uh, yeah...smoking and drinking yourself to death are legal, too -- so...your point?