The deal for the €85 billion euro bailout for Ireland was done last weekend, with €35 billion earmarked for the banks and €50 billion earmarked to keep the state going for the next few years.
We're getting this vast amount of money from a combination of sources, from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the European Union and a few individual countries, including the U.K. We're even being forced into taking some of it out of our own national pension reserve.
Getting the deal done is reassuring to some extent because it means we now have enough money to keep going for the next few years while our financial mess is tackled. Schools or hospitals won’t be closing, the police will still get paid, services will continue and welfare will be available to those in need.
This may sound a bit dramatic, but there was a real question mark over all that in recent weeks because neither the state nor the banks here could raise any more money on the markets. It currently costs over €50 billion a year to run the country, and we only raise €31 billion in tax revenue. There was a serious possibility that we were going to become a failed state in the middle of next year when the cash we have left would run out.
That can't happen now. And for that, I suppose, we should be grateful.
But there's not much gratitude in the air here at the moment. Instead there is absolute outrage, bordering on open rebellion. The deal may be done ... but the Irish people are not buying it.
The problem for the Irish and European leaders is that there has been a sea change in public opinion in Ireland over the past few weeks, a reversal of the previous public mood of resigned acceptance. The 50,000 strong protest march in Dublin last weekend showed just how much the public attitude has shifted.
What has changed is the hope that a lot of people were clinging to that somehow they would be able to get through the crisis without being affected too much. That hope has now evaporated.
People have woken up to the fact that the impact on their lives will be enormous. The bailout is going to saddle the country with huge debt for years to come, and that will filter down and squeeze everyone.
People have also woken up to the fact that nearly half of this bailout debt is being taken on so that the bondholders and foreign institutions that stupidly lent tens of billions to the Irish banks can get their money back.
Ordinary people here are now asking themselves why they should have to pay for this when they had nothing to do with the irresponsible behavior of the Irish banks during the boom.
So although the finance ministers from all over Europe met in Brussels on Sunday and signed off on the deal for Ireland, there is little or no support for it from the Irish people.
Taoiseach (Prime Minister) Brian Cowen held a press conference on Sunday evening to explain the details, but he’s not really convincing anyone. Instead of being grateful to Europe and the IMF for coming to our rescue, there is boiling rage among ordinary people here at the deal that has been decided over their heads.
There is outrage because this enormous debt will be a millstone around our necks for years to come. And in particular there is absolute fury that ordinary Irish taxpayers will have to repay the billions lost by our banks.
Everyone here accepts that cutbacks and extra taxes are necessary to bring our state spending into line with our sharply reduced revenue. For that reason there has been general acceptance of the four-year plan to bring down our deficit, even though it means severe cutbacks with a massive €6 billion adjustment in next week’s budget.
But the banks are something else. People here are now in open revolt over the bailout deal because, apart from giving us breathing space on the state finances, it will force us to pay back all of the billions owed by the banks. And it will let the bondholders off the hook instead of forcing them to share the pain.
The root cause of this is the absolute guarantee given by the Irish state to the Irish banks two years ago. The effect has been to turn the private debts of our banks into part of Ireland’s sovereign debt. Now we are paying the price.
The average interest rate on our €85 billion bailout package is to be 5.8%, a rate which is more than double what Germany has to pay this week to the markets for funds. So the word bailout is really a misnomer. It’s not a bailout -- it’s an enormous loan at a penal interest rate.
The €85 billion deal is going to cost us €4 or €5 billion a year in interest, and that will be on top of the heavy interest payments we are already making on our existing national debt.
It will make reducing our budget deficit even harder because the interest payments have to be taken out of revenue. That means there will be even less for day to day state spending, and the cutbacks in services will have to be even more severe.
There is also a question mark over whether this bailout will really plug the hole in our banks. Just weeks ago the government was saying that the total hole in the banks was around €50 billion.
We now know that the banks have already got €32 billion, and this bailout gives them another €35 billion, which adds up to €67 billion.
The bailout calculations do not allow for the huge amount of private debt default that is predicted over the next couple of years as the belt tightens. So a number of economists here are predicting that the hole in the banks will turn out to be €80 or €90 billion.
If this were to happen, the current interest payments could escalate from €5 or €6 billion a year to €10 or €12 billion. That level of interest payment would be impossible for us to meet without turning Ireland into a Third World country. Even as things stand right now, this bailout pushes us to the very edge of what is possible in interest payments.
Apart from decimating services, this heavy interest burden will make recovery and expansion of our economy difficult, if not impossible. The cutbacks are going to hit domestic spending so hard the economy will be knocked flat.
The next five or 10 years look grim, with the standard of living falling sharply and nothing in prospect but gloom and hardship at home and emigration the only escape.
So why is this so-called bailout so punitive? There is more than a suspicion here that we are being deliberately punished by Europe for the mess we have made and the threat the Irish collapse has posed to the euro.
There are also other factors at play. Most of the lending into Irish banks during the boom came from French and German banks, and the aim appears to be to ensure that they get all their money back.
And the European Central Bank (ECB), which is supposed to oversee the behavior of banks across Europe and was clearly asleep at the wheel in relation to Ireland, wants all of its money back as well. So even if it means unfairly penalizing the ordinary Irish taxpayers, that is what’s going to happen.
The Irish government had another option. It could have undertaken to sort out our state finances as promised by 2014, but it could at the same time have told the IMF and the EU that unless much more favorable terms (like 1 to 2%) were offered we would default on the money our banks owe.
It could have insisted that the foreign banks and bondholders who pumped money into our banks for very high returns during the boom must now take their share of the bust.
The Irish government could have done that, but instead they went on playing the role of the good boys of Europe doing what our masters tell us. There is a feeling here now that during the bailout negotiations last week the EU saw us as the patsys rather than the good boys.
Angela Merkel and some of the other EU leaders are now saying that in future situations like this, the money markets and bondholders who lend to countries that get into trouble will have to share in the losses that happen as a result. But that’s for the future.
The markets and bondholders who loaned money to Ireland are protected and therefore must be paid in full. As I said, we’re the patsys.
To summarize the public mood here at the moment, it would be fair to say that as far as the bondholders are concerned the majority view here now seems to be that even the senior bondholders (the more protected bonds which got a lower interest rate) should be forced to share the pain.
The view also is that we should immediately decouple our state finances from the finances of our banks. And we should burn those who poured the money into our banks which inflated our property bubble.
We should stop being the patsys. We should stop being the good boys. We should stop worrying about the euro and being responsible members of the EU.
We should start looking after Number One.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.sirpeter | Jan 07, 2011, 08:37 PM EST
topdocumentaryfilms.com/american-dream/ The American Dream is a 30 minute animated film that shows you how you’ve been scammed by the most basic elements of the government system.All of us Americans strive for the American Dream, and this film shows you why your dream is getting farther and farther away. Do you know how your money is created? Or how banking works? Why did housing prices skyrocket and then plunge? Do you really know what the Federal Reserve System is and how it affects you every single day?...NOT FOR THE FAINT HEARTED ;)THIS IS IRELAND
paddypower | Dec 20, 2010, 09:28 AM EST
800 years brutalized and robbed by the pirates of Britland and now at least a lost decade of pillage by the euro shekel changers can be expected. Ireland must get back to depending on itself and not allow the gombeen men and church that have always been on the side of the establishment to hoodwank them any longer. Get back to family and friends and the values of our revolutionary heroes. In the end that's all that will count and not the United Snakes of Europe and all those fascist pigs sitting in Brussels. Dump fianna fail/ure and default of the scum bag banksters!
sirpeter | Dec 08, 2010, 10:03 AM EST
@Watchman..I do blame the government,because anything that happens to a country is the governments fault,be it good or bad.It was up to the government to control the bankers,not the ordinary people,that's why we have a government to serve the people.They allowed the banks give out 110% mortgages..I mean that was crazy,but do you expect young couples who were frantic to get on the property ladder to say NO!!... this is bad.I think that's asking too much,all they could see were house prices going up by the thousands.Governments are suppose to control market capitalism from getting out of hand.
buzzer7 | Dec 07, 2010, 09:34 AM EST
Kid Shelleen, Ireland was always a "3rd world Country"! Don't be lulled into some "futuristic Utopian" ideal, by "emerging Progressive" anything! As it is said, the future is "The same pile of dung, just different flies"! Ireland took the goodies from the EU, and now you have bills to pay! As an American, I fully understand this concept!
KidShelleen | Dec 06, 2010, 03:37 PM EST
We should start looking after Number One is a misdemeanor that we ourselves Hibernian superior have precisely from anyone with a hand near a till looked after Number One. You played the good boy game saints and scholars and all that malarkey. You associate with Patsy Fagan’s, Paddy Whack. What I have seen and experienced you no way have being responsible members of the EU. You took the EU to the cleaners, you spent money like it was an unstoppable elixir and grew stupidity arrogant Eegit with it. Its time you developed a futuristic system by cleaning out the clergy, the patronizing forgiveness flattery stuff of inter ruling family corrupt relations having access to all the new goodies to pick the best positions for cronies, unqualified, doesn’t matter, we must control, this attitude, keep the future secret for ourselves away from the working class. Sure they wouldn’t have a clue, though it is the ordinary working classes who have laid the foundations for the fat cats to build on. The country gives the appearance of a democracy, but at governing level is far closer to being Fascist mafia two party state. One up on a one party state, falling back by a neck, soon to be a tail behind looking up the backside of go-ahead emerging progressive third world countries. KiS
seanomelbourne | Dec 05, 2010, 11:56 PM EST
Incoming Missiles?
Monsoonman | Dec 05, 2010, 08:35 PM EST
English is the international aviation language Lad, so not to worry. All you have to learn is what those little blips on the radar screen mean.
seanomelbourne | Dec 04, 2010, 05:19 PM EST
I might brush-up on my Spanish and undertake an air traffic course me buen.
Monsoonman | Dec 03, 2010, 09:13 PM EST
Then who are the other hogs at the tax trough? MADRID – Spain's military took control of the nation's airspace Friday night after air traffic controllers staged a massive sickout that stranded hundreds of thousands of travelers on the eve of a long holiday weekend, forcing the government to shut down Madrid's big international hub and seven other airports. The dispute intensified in February when the government restricted overtime and thus cut average pay of controllers from euro350,000 ($463,610) a year to around euro200,000 ($264,920). Just how much are you worth when you are working for citizens who earn 50-60K and have no choice but are forced to use and pay for your services? Government unions will ruin your economies.
Watchman | Dec 02, 2010, 09:40 PM EST
SirPeter: I take your point. The difference is not so much that the bankers were morally worse than the average punter (they simply had greater opportunity – an opportunity which most Irish people would have seized if they'd had the chance). But when it all went wrong for the bankers, they were bailed out, first by the Government (ie the taxpayers), then by the EU and the IMF (in effect, the children of the taxpayers), while the little people were hung out to dry. Given the 40 per cent drop in property prices, it would help if interest rates on outstanding mortgages were reduced to about 1.5 per cent, while the banks, once back on their feet, paid a handsome levy on their profits for the next ten years. But that's not going to happen. We were all greedy, naieve and short-sighted. We all knew in our saner moments that the Tiger years didn't make sense. But those with the broadest backs were given the lightest burden to bear. That's market capitalism for you. Blame Bertie and Brian for letting it happen.
gaillimh | Dec 02, 2010, 09:04 PM EST
F... all politicians and bankers in Ireland; they are all free loaders who think they are special in some way. They, the politicians, forget they were elected to serve, and not elected to rip off the country and live the high life. On top of that they come across as total gombeens who dont know how to dress, talk or act in a dignified manner; just watch coverage from the almost empty Dail sometime--how they get away with non attendance in the Dail is beyond me. On top of all this there are way too many of them--if the same number of representatives, on a per capita basis, was in the usa it would be about three and a half thousand. Yes that is correct--unbelievable but true. I just hope the low lifes read this. As for the bankers--short and sweet --just hang them.
seanomelbourne | Dec 02, 2010, 06:01 PM EST
Fianna Fail/Fine Gael/labour party have over the years bedded down with the banks and prostituted themselves at the expense of the people. The bond holders should be told to take a flying leap into a bottomless pit. St. Patrick may have rid Ireland of snakes But he left in Dail Eireann. What a gutless bunch of morons.
WoundedKnee | Dec 02, 2010, 10:01 AM EST
Silling thinks "that all immigration barriers should be banned and just as the birds migrate, so too should people." Great, when are you going to migrate? Hope it's soon. I hear Tasmania is taking in all and sundry. Don't come back. Maybe you could tell me where your house is so that I can move in with you.
Silling | Dec 02, 2010, 07:43 AM EST
The Irish are showing their racist colours now. I remember when we had black baby boxes on every counter, and now all we hear is, the blacks, the muslims and the poles. Remember Ireland, we have been immigrants since the first celts set foot in Ireland and accept graciously those who arrive on our shores just as we have been doing since the famine times. Personally, I think that all immigration barriers should be banned and just as the birds migrate, so too should people. Stop whinging and get on with life. During the Celtic tiger you were so full of shite over there. Remember that when any culture or civilization perishes, there was always one condition, present, they forgot where they came from.God Bless the Blacks the Poles and The Muslims, welcome to Ireland.
bets731 | Dec 02, 2010, 12:08 AM EST
I think every country should learn how to grow crops, raise livestock, learn electronics, etc. etc. and whatever it takes so each can be self sufficient
rehobothbeach | Dec 01, 2010, 11:57 PM EST
John: Its the Irish politicians who are to blame for the status of the Irish economy today. Greedy bankers are just as greedy in the USA, Germany, Francis, and Great Britain. The Irish citizens need to hold every Irish politician in Dublin who voted to placed the cost of the bailout of the Irish banks on the backs of the Irish people out of office. The vote is the what every politician is scared of. The vote will get more from the politicians then a 50,000 people march in Dublin. The Irish people need to vote the bastards out of their elected offices.
sirpeter | Dec 01, 2010, 09:13 PM EST
Watchman..I understand to a point what you are saying,but you are missing a very important point.The ordinary people who are mortgaged up to their eyeballs still have to pay it back.The ordinary people aren't getting a bailout at all.You seem to think ordinary people knew what was happening with the bankers ect,the feckin'government didn't know.The ordinary people were spending peanuts compared to what the golden circle were spending and the sh*t they were doing.DON'T ever confuse THEM...with the ordinary people...IT IS NEVER WE!! That's why it is US not WE have to pay for their mistakes
Watchman | Dec 01, 2010, 06:41 PM EST
John: I agree that foreign banks are being looked after far better than the average Irishman and woman in the street. And I agree with the prevailing sentiment that this is unfair. Something should be done about it. But, as you have so often pointed out in the past, the Irish people, not just bankers and developers, bought with gusto into the property bubble and the accompanying spending boom. You will remember how when the euro achieved parity with sterling, Irish shoppers by the truckload flooded across the border to do their shopping. They didn't care that they were damaging their home market. They just wanted a bargain. Ordinary people who should have known better took out mortgages of a quarter of a million euro and more that they must have known would burden them in the event of a downturn. They also demanded big pay rises and tax cuts for the poor, the rich and everybody in between. I hate to say we're all guilty. But we are. And simply to blame the (undeniable) greed of the bankers is to miss this central truth.
grnd10ka | Dec 01, 2010, 04:15 PM EST
I agree with strict immigration control for Ireland (should be in France or Gemrany as well) Every murder is horrible but there are many cases when irish people attacked or murdered foreigners as well. I dont defend immigrants. I definitely agree that immigrants with serious criminal records shouldnt be allowed to go live or work to other country.But Ireland is not the only country suffering. Money not honesty make a policy.
EasyGoingIrish | Dec 01, 2010, 03:53 PM EST
John: Also factor in that, after the budget if you have an income of $67,000.00 it shall be reduced by $5,800.00. At present 92,000 homes are 90 days or more late on their mortgage payment. If the IMF/ECB get their way the corporate rate of 12.5% will be history and a exodus of financial institutions and less tax revenue. So the suffering will intensify to unheralded levels.
FastEddy | Dec 01, 2010, 03:46 PM EST
" ... We're even being forced into taking some of it out of our own national pension reserve. ..." I'm bleeding from the heart for ya'. That IMF money is coming out of my pension reserves. Welcome to it as long as you pay it back.
grnd10ka | Dec 01, 2010, 02:36 PM EST
I like Ireland and irish people becouse I worked there. I come from small country in the middle of the Europe and our average wage per hour is 2-3eur and we are willing to borrow some money to Ireland now!Our unemployment rate is around 14 % as well.. George Dillon dont blame immigrants from eastern or middle Europe for irish problems! Blame greedy bankers and politics. Most of the eastern immigrants are not parasitically living in Ireland, but hard working people. I am thankful I had a opportunity to work in Ireland and met nice people and drank the best stout in the world. If I have a chance I will come back...not like a parasit :-)
ancavker | Dec 01, 2010, 02:23 PM EST
George: Many fo the Poles are going home now.
GeorgeDillon | Dec 01, 2010, 01:09 PM EST
tempranillo: "unemployment rate is now approximately 15%; my guess is the real unemployment rate is far higher." Ireland will never lower its unemployemnt rate while it encourages Mass Immigration. How could it? You fill one job, but there's always another Pole coming in at Dublin Airport.
SeamusMor | Dec 01, 2010, 12:13 PM EST
To Hell with the bond holders!
Porickseantuny | Dec 01, 2010, 12:07 PM EST
Why do so many Irish who were on the dole complain that bondholders get their invested money back? If the Irish had not been profligate with the real estate market they would have done well with the money if it had been invested in infrastructure instead. As it is, the EU has looked the other way as the Irish enticed Corporations to operate out of Ireland as a tax shelter with a low corporate tax rate compared to the other EU countries. I am truly sad but the Irish bear responsibility for some stupid decisions. Some of the population was happy taking the dole for a long time.
killowen | Dec 01, 2010, 12:04 PM EST
patsys
mayoman | Dec 01, 2010, 11:57 AM EST
The greedy banksters, via their docile pols, strike again. The ordinary Irish man and woman loses, and is stuck paying the bill. How is this in any conceivable way democratic?
LoyalCitizen | Dec 01, 2010, 11:41 AM EST
Successive so called Irish Governments have been committing crimes against humanity and treason since 1996 in using opinions in law and the Irish don't even blink an eyelid. The banks start to fail and the country now wants blood. Perverse little people who worship money deserve what you get. If you had listened to the victims of these crimes you might still have your money.
Searlit | Dec 01, 2010, 11:12 AM EST
Don't the banks have to pay any of this bailout back to the government? At least in the US the banks have to pay back the bailout, and they have already paid more than half of it back to the government (the public). I have always been a purchaser of Irish imports, now I'll just have to buy more to help Ireland's economy.
ochshane | Dec 01, 2010, 10:46 AM EST
What you go in for you get. Thank you deValera and your fianna fail gangsters.
tempranillo | Dec 01, 2010, 09:39 AM EST
Let's be clear. The root cause of the problem was over exposure to the property market, based on fairyland thinking that the property bubble would never burst. The overexposure consequences had 2 consequences--the banking system became dysfunctional AND unemployment skyrocketed. The Irish recession therefore was far more painful than I would have been had risk management exposure limits been in place. The absolute guarantee given to the banks was an ill fated response to the global financial crisis of 2008. In retrospect, it is unclear how the economy would have reacted have the banks that allowed to fail. That said, it is amazing that banks are not nationalised at this point. Clearly, the functioning banking system is required. That doesn't mean managers should be rewarded for incompetence. Your unemployment rate is now approximately 15%; my guess is the real unemployment rate is far higher. The focus must be on putting people back to work & crease and the number of taxpayers---apparently half of the Irish tax units, i.e. Persons and corporations, pay no taxes. I wonder how the economy might look if the incremental taxes collected from Irish scalawags were plowed back into the improving the infrastructure.
feeneycj | Dec 01, 2010, 09:30 AM EST
I agree. Banks in EVERY country asleep at the wheel, a contagion of irrational exuberance.
MikeRock | Dec 01, 2010, 09:30 AM EST
I'm surprised that Niall O'Dowd hasn't blamed Bush or the Pope for Ireland's economic problems.
boomerbob | Dec 01, 2010, 09:22 AM EST
It's infuriating that the common people (both of Ireland and the U.S.) must continue to pave the paths used by the rich withour own skin. The rich who investedin the banks in both countries receive the best of bot worlds - the expected returns paid for by the citizens. NO risk/cost whatsoever to the the scum who should carry the majority of the burden in the messes created worldwide. They wealth transfer from the common to the wealthy just keeps on keeping on.
mcdolan | Dec 01, 2010, 09:08 AM EST
Best synopsis I've read and has captured the mood of the Irish people -- not merely anger but OUTRAGE.