Irish ‘Peace’ Activists and Gaza
By: John Spain | Published Thursday, June 17, 2010, 6:55 PM | Updated Friday, September 9, 2011, 9:42 PM
The hype and hysteria last week surrounding the final days of the journey of the
Rachel Corrie, the "Irish" aid ship for
Gaza, was extraordinary.
After what had happened a few days earlier to the Turkish aid ship, a confrontation in which nine of those on board had died, there was alarm at all levels about the possibility of a repeat performance by the Israeli special forces.
Thankfully, the journey of the Rachel Corrie ended without anyone getting hurt, and it's worthwhile now looking back at exactly what went on.
First of all, although the aid it was carrying came from
Ireland, the ship is owned by a Malaysian group. So it's not Irish.
Apart from ownership, the continual reference in the international media last week to the "Irish aid ship" gave the impression that the ship had the support of everyone in Ireland, that the aid on board had been paid for by some kind of national collection in Ireland, or even that the ship had the approval of the Irish government.
None of this is correct, although it is true that there is a great deal of sympathy in Ireland for the plight of the Palestinians.
It's also true that there is a counterbalancing dislike here for
Hamas, perhaps because we know something about terror campaigns. As one commentator here put it last weekend, Hamas is worse than the
IRA, and what they have done to Gaza is a "democratic" nightmare.
So the implication in the repeated media references to "the Irish aid ship" last week (like on
CBS News) was seriously misleading.
Equally wrong is any assumption that the people on board "the Irish aid ship" were representative of Ireland or the Irish people. They may have been well meaning, but they don't represent anyone but themselves and the action groups they belong to.
With some exceptions, like Mairead Corrigan Maguire, who won a Nobel Prize in 1976 as one of the Peace People, and Irish American Denis Halliday, former
UN assistant secretary general, the 15 to 20 Irish on the Rachel Corrie, the Turkish ship and smaller boats in the flotilla, were the kind of young activists who make a career out of this sort of thing.
The same faces reappear, whether it's on the protest at
U.S. troops landing at Shannon, or the Shell to Sea campaign to keep the gas refinery miles offshore, or other anti-U.S. or anti-capitalist causes beloved of the liberal left.
One of the Irish on the flotilla, for example, Fiachra O Luain from
Donegal, is a more or less full-time political activist who was involved in the protest over the
U.S. military using
Shannon Airport. Another of the Irish, Fintan Lane, is a left wing academic who has been active and vocal on a number of issues here.
The names of two of the Irish involved in the flotilla sounded a little different, Isam Bin Ali and Al Mahdi al Harati. In fact both are
Libyans who have become naturalized Irish citizens.
Now is it just me, or does anyone else think that people who are given citizenship here should be spending their time working hard to contribute to the Irish state instead of taking it on themselves to go on a lengthy voyage to make a political point supposedly on behalf of the Irish people?
That, of course, was the whole purpose of this flotilla. It wasn't really about delivering aid.
It was about creating a confrontation, grabbing international media attention and putting pressure on the Israelis to end the blockade of Gaza. It was about scoring a political point.
The extremely violent behavior of the "peace activists" on the Turkish ship who attacked the
Israeli commandos was mainly to blame for the subsequent fighting which left nine of them dead.
It's quite clear now that the commandos were not expecting violence on this scale (previous ships had been boarded without much trouble) and so they were taken by surprise.
Everyone knew that the Israelis had not allowed any ship to break the blockade, and the presumption by the Israelis was that this crew, like others, would submit to being boarded and would allow their aid to go to Gaza via
Israel.
When the Israeli commandos were attacked after the boarding -- and the film and still pictures from the ship clearly show this happening -- they were unprepared for dealing with activists who were swinging metal bars and other weapons.
Outnumbered and under severe pressure, some of the commandos over-reacted and started shooting at close range. When soldiers -- any soldiers -- are attacked with that level of ferocity that is how they react.
The outcry which followed focused all attention on the Rachel Corrie, and the Irish government voiced its concern about what might happen and worked out a compromise deal with the Israeli government.
Under this deal the Rachel Corrie would dock at the Israeli port of
Ashdod, close to Gaza, and land its supplies. The aid would be inspected under the supervision of UN and Irish Aid officials.
The entire cargo, including an estimated 550 tons of cement, would then be taken by road into Gaza, with two people from the Rachel Corrie monitoring it all the way.
By any standard this was a fair compromise and probably took the Irish government some time to negotiate. But it was rejected out of hand by those on board the Rachel Corrie.
Halliday was quite open about the reason. "While humanitarian assistance is one of the two targets of our mission, the second is to break the siege, the stranglehold of Israel over Gaza, and by voluntarily avoiding Gaza and going to Israel that would not be done," he said.
So getting the aid in was less important than provoking a confrontation that would attract international media attention. Probably at that point, the Rachel Corrie lost the sympathy of most Irish people. It was boarded, there was no resistance, and it was brought to Ashdod.
Although there was a protest meeting in
Dublin last weekend, less than 1,000 people turned up.
And when the five Irish who were on the Rachel Corrie arrived back in Dublin on Monday, only a handful of people were there to meet them, although this did not stop the media referring to their "heroes' welcome".
Overall, the feeling here is that the Israelis are their own worst enemy. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu should write a book called How to Lose Friends and Alienate People.
But as one Israeli supporter here wrote in a letter to a newspaper, everyone else can make mistakes and take chances, but Israel has only to be wrong once and it is in deep trouble. It is surrounded by hostile states, almost at permanent war with Syria and only a short rocket flight from
Iran which is completing its nuclear program and wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
It only has to be wrong once. It won't get a second chance.
Hamas is not interested in a negotiated settlement and co-existence. That's why it keeps up its rocket attacks into Israel from Gaza.
It may have been elected, but it has its own ideas about democracy. It has murdered most of the Fatah leaders who were its rivals, it imposes its fundamentalist views on the people and it deals savagely with any opposition. Its only interest is the destruction of Israel.
Faced with this, the Israelis in return want to destroy Hamas. Their method is the collective punishment of the Palestinian people for electing Hamas, aimed at turning them against the Hamas leaders.
Hence the very restrictive blockade of Gaza, which has now been there for three years. It's harsh, it's cruel and it makes the lives of ordinary Palestinians very primitive.
It even seems ridiculous. Cement and metal pipes, for example, are on the aid banned list.
But as the Israelis point out, cement can be used for making bunkers as well as rebuilding schools, and metal piping is used to make the rockets that still fly into Israel from Gaza.
It's a mess. You can't blame the Israelis for wanting security and a respite from the rockets. And you can't but be sorry for the ordinary Palestinians who suffer so much. Whether "peace activists" like those who attacked the Israeli commandos boarding the Turkish ship have anything to contribute is far from certain. Irish or not.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.TrueCelt11 | Jul 04, 2010, 10:08 AM EDT
I take it that 'Spain' is not an Irish surname ? where do you or your ancestors really come from John Spain ? If they came from another country/ethnic/religious group would you not be better contributing something postive to Ireland rather than using this forum to promulgate your right wing pro-Israeli & Pro-British propaganda ?
GeorgeDillon | Jun 23, 2010, 08:26 AM EDT
John Spain's column should be removed. His support for violence and terror is unacceptable, and he should not be given a forum for his extremism.
WoundedKnee | Jun 21, 2010, 04:14 PM EDT
What an idiot this columnist is. Would he like to tell us how peanut butter is a weapon? How about pepper and salt? I have published the list of banned substances (banned by Israel that is, not by any sane people) elsewhere on this site. How come this guy Spain doesn't justify what's on this list. Or is he just a bigot and a warmonger?
shuvonn | Jun 18, 2010, 07:18 AM EDT
Nice to see Israel has lifted the ban on SOME imports as per an agreement currently being crafted with Tony Blair, and after calls from several EU ministers, I hope they keep their word on this one. One could question as to whether that decision is to avoid the REAL inquiry that the U.N. is demanding into the death of the Turkish citizens on the Mavi Marmara, the one Israel proposes at the moment will not include testimony from the IDF members who took place in the *incident* in international waters, and there have been rumors medals have been awarded to those IDF members.
irishwxman | Jun 17, 2010, 05:31 PM EDT
ouch. You got me there. I will just go sit in the corner now and pout.
shuvonn | Jun 17, 2010, 03:37 PM EDT
You can insult all you like, it appears that is your only weapon against anyone who disagrees, it negates anything you post.
irishwxman | Jun 17, 2010, 10:51 AM EDT
Oh and FYI...just because you still seem to be clueless about government...The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy. Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths"
irishwxman | Jun 17, 2010, 10:48 AM EDT
LOL!!! The childishness ensues. I'm just waiting for you to blast me with the ole, "I'm rubber your glue..." argument. So what's the name of the Obama worship church you go to? Is there like statues and shrines and stuff? Do you guys do living sacrifices in his honor? Chant and speak in tongues? I will wait patiently for your reply because I know Hannah Montana is coming on and you don't want to miss it before your nap.
shuvonn | Jun 16, 2010, 04:17 PM EDT
You do SO like to split hairs. It is YOU being petty, Obama REPRESENTS the US, HE is a symbol of the country BECAUSE the MAJORITY of it's people voted him in and if they had NOT he would NOT be the president. Just like the FLAG is a symbol of a country, what is so hard for YOU to understand ? IF Obama represents the people of the US, HE represents the US... Ireland is a constitutional republic and a parliamentary democracy. And the U.S. is constitutional republic and representative democracy. FYI: A republic is a form of government where the head of state is not a monarch... It's a pity you cannot make a point without being petty and childish.....GROW UP BOY!!
irishwxman | Jun 16, 2010, 11:49 AM EDT
What is so hard for YOU to grasp? We are NOT a democracy!! We are a Republic. Just like Ireland. Where did you...excuse me, let me rephrase, Where DO you go to school? If they taught you that America is a democracy that instructor needs to be fired. And I know Netanyahu is the PM, I was making a point. Had I known you were going to be delicately searching for any discrepancies I would have been more specific. So not only are you childish, you are petty. What else can we tack on? Obama does not represent America, he represents the PEOPLE of America. He is not a king. So lessons learned today...America is a REPUBLIC, and the president represents the people, not the country. that is what a REPUBLIC is!
shuvonn | Jun 16, 2010, 10:26 AM EDT
The president represents the country, Cameron represented Great Britain in the BRITISH PARLIAMENT, while on British SOIL, NOT abroad when he apologized for Bloody Sunday yesterday. Why is that so hard a concept for you to grasp? And YOUR form of democracy is name calling just because the one you didn't want got in? That's not exactly an example of maturity. FYI: Netanyahu is NOT the president of Israel Shimon Peres IS the president. Netanyahu is the Prime Minister. Maybe it is YOU who needs to read a book, if you do not even know that fact, my bad that I typed that incorrectly in my previous post, and you didn't even cop that one....
irishwxman | Jun 15, 2010, 12:08 PM EDT
the fact of the matter is simple. The people on the flotilla had no intention of providing aid to anyone. they were only trying to provoke Israel. you bought into their propaganda hook line and sinker. You accuse me of calling you names? Well here is one for you: SUCKER!
irishwxman | Jun 15, 2010, 12:05 PM EDT
"The president of a country REPRESENTS the country" WRONG! thanks for playing. He represents the U.S. when he visits other countries, but when he is here he doesn't represent jack squat. He is some loon that other loons elected, and now most of them are slapping their hands on their heads and saying, "WHAT HAVE I DONE??" And if you said you didn't think Netanyahu is a good prez, then that is your prerogative. It doesn't mean you think Israel sucks because you dislike Netanyahu. That is just asinine. God I can't wait for summer to end so you have to go back to school. Shouldn't you be outside playing or something? Maybe read a book and learn before you open your trap? I read your posts and am utterly speechless at the absurdity of that thing. It's almost as if you just type for the sake of typing and don't really understand what you are typing.
shuvonn | Jun 14, 2010, 06:44 PM EDT
The president of a country REPRESENTS the country, he/she is the internationally recognized representative of that country. Whose picture do they burn ? WHOSE flag do they burn when being critical of AMERICA? Would you accept me saying that I did not care of Shimon Peres? But HE is only a figurehead like the Irish president, so how bout I say I think Netanyahu is not a good president? Would I be anti-Israeli then to you? This seems to be a hard concept for you to grasp. Let me CLARIFY for you. YOU ARE ANTI-AMERICAN because YOU are critical of the person whom the MAJORITY voted in to represent and RUN the country. And that Man runs the country as opposed to being ONLY a figurehead like in Israel or Ireland. THAT IS as IF you said horrible things about the MAJORITY who voted him in ergo AMERICA, Obama REPRESENTS America to the world, YOU yanks didn't take too kindly when the DIXIE CHICKS did that but that was because it was BUSH and not a democrat. YOUR REPUBLICAN BIAS IS SHOWING. Again with the names, how childish you are. Get this man a LABEL MAKER he desperately needs one. The IDF committed PIRACY in International waters, and robbed 3.5 million of property and cash from approximately 40 differently nationalities, their video cameras, their cell phones, memory sticks and credit cards and there were the hypocrite looking for proof less than 24 hours and now you call the theft weak? SO it looks like YOU think that its okay to search your kills and take the credit cards and use them, what FINE, UPSTANDING people the US has serving it now...
irishwxman | Jun 14, 2010, 03:53 PM EDT
You are not turning the argument on me you buffoon. Look at your logic; had you insulted Benjamin Netanyahu, then I could say you are anti Netanyahu, not anti Israel. But what you have done incessantly is attack the entire country of Israel, which in part makes you anti Israel. Now had I gone and said horrible things about America, then you could rightfully call me anti American. But because I LOVE America, and care what happens to this country, I have utter disgust for the president of America who looks to destroy it from the inside out. That does not make me anti America. If anything it proves that I am very PRO America. Your arguments make no sense at all! You are comparing apples to cantaloupes. And if stolen credit cards is all the ammo you have against the Israelis, that is just weak.
shuvonn | Jun 14, 2010, 03:38 PM EDT
I liked Bush's father better than I liked Bush, felt that Cheney was running the show anyway. And Cheney had a lot to gain by invading Iraq, when he was a major shareholder in Haliburton, QUITE the CONFLICT of interest... Now lets get back to my being critical of Israel and trying to help you understand that YOUR calling me antisemitic is tantamount to YOUR being anti-American by being critical of YOUR president. I guess YOU cannot see how ridiculous YOUR argument is when it is turned on you, you do not care for it so much and you call ME a child? You can call me ALL the names you like, it reflects badly on you NOT me in the slightest. Now lets get back to the STOLEN credit cards? You didn't really think I was going to forget you neglected to mention them did you?
irishwxman | Jun 14, 2010, 02:24 PM EDT
Shuvonn, did you like president Bush? Guessing by your anti-Israeli rants and Obama ass kissing that you did not. So based on your logic, you are ANTI-AMERICAN!! BOO BOOO ANTI-AMERICAN!!! BOOO!! SHUVONN HATES AMERICA!!! Do you see how ridiculously stupid that is? I have said this once, (well more than once actually) and I will say it yet again, you have absolutely ZERO clue what you are talking about. you just like to instigate. Very indicative of a child.
shuvonn | Jun 14, 2010, 12:31 AM EDT
Try Haaretz an Israeli newspaper, has printed a story about an Italian journalist whose credit card was also confiscated and used while he was in Israeli custody. His name is Manolo Luppichini, is THAT acceptable for ya?
shuvonn | Jun 14, 2010, 12:04 AM EDT
LOL fox news? Credible? You have GOT to me kidding me...
Monsoonman | Jun 13, 2010, 11:47 PM EDT
uh shuvonn? You want to show us a credible link to back that up? and no the iranian news service and al jazeera are not acceptable. How about showing us a real link from a legitimate news organization such as Fox News or Newsmax...I'll be patiently waiting.
shuvonn | Jun 13, 2010, 12:48 PM EDT
Monsoon: How do you feel about the usage by IDF of the credit cards stolen from the passengers of the flotilla?
DennisQ | Jun 13, 2010, 12:22 PM EDT
Hamas was elected because Israel refused to bargain in good faith with the moderate Fatah. Hamas is exploiting an Israeli weakness: the IDF's apparent inability to control itself. They are not an effective army anymore - they are Black and Tan thugs. Here's proof that the Palestinians were wise to choose Hamas over Fatah: Hamas broke the blockade. Don't expect a moderate comeback.
Monsoonman | Jun 13, 2010, 11:58 AM EDT
If there are Christian bad apples using violence to get their way, they are shunned and brought to justice by fellow Christians. If there are muslim bad apples using violence to get their way, they are hidden, aided and abetted, protected and funded by fellow muslims. That is the difference.
shuvonn | Jun 13, 2010, 10:41 AM EDT
Obama IS president for two more years at least, so DEAL with it. Bush did NOT enjoy a perfect popularity rating when he was in power either :-) You NEVER know, Obama may even be president for longer :-) Public opinion is indeed a fickle thing. One should not judge all Muslims by the actions of some it seems you do though....
shuvonn | Jun 12, 2010, 07:42 PM EDT
No love or support from me towards ANY violence, and as for YOU, you only support the rockets INTO Gaza, you are anti-American, anti-Muslim and anti-Palestinian. Obama IS your president, SUCK IT UP, even if it kills ya, two more years at least and MAYBE even 6. DO you really think that we didn't notice Bush's CRAP ratings during HIS presidency?
shuvonn | Jun 12, 2010, 07:38 PM EDT
WX: The Majority voted Obama in. He IS YOUR president. And you are RABIDLY anti-American by referring to him so disrespectfully. The SO called MAJORITY of Americans will have to WAIT for several years BEFORE they can vote him out, and I would NOT count him out for a second term. God you must HATE that, but SUCK IT UP BOY, HE is YOUR president, you never know you might have another 6 years of that :-) Bush did not enjoy good ratings either, but I guess you forget those things when they do not suit ya...
irishwxman | Jun 12, 2010, 07:31 PM EDT
Why? Because he doesn't agree with you?
WoundedKnee | Jun 12, 2010, 07:26 PM EDT
There is no doubt that Spain has written a very offensive justification of violence and terrorism. I think Irish central doesn't need this racist creep's column.
WoundedKnee | Jun 12, 2010, 07:24 PM EDT
gregwb57 -- You show your ignorance. You didn't know that pepper, jam, notebooks, pencils etc. were hijacked by Israel before they can get into Palestine? OK, but now that you do know, are you going to protest against the violent Israeli terrorists who are maintaining this blockade against children?
WoundedKnee | Jun 12, 2010, 07:21 PM EDT
irishwx "Posted by irishwxman on Jun 12, 2010, 11:16 AM EDT Shuvonn you and Mairead seem to have such a hard on for Hamas and the Palestinian terrorists, why don't you just pack up all of your belongings, give up your wonderful lives in America, and move your sympathizing asses to Palestine and protest all day long." Well irishwx, why don't you go to Israel, since you love it so much? Of course, if you're not Jewish you can't emigrate to Israel, because it's a racist theocratic state.
irishwxman | Jun 12, 2010, 04:20 PM EDT
And when MUSLIM terrorists fly airplanes into building in NY and Virgina, because we support Israel, but not one Israeli has flown an airplane into any building to kill people who support Hamas (i.e. you) that would lead me to believe that the radical Muslim terrorists you so proudly love and support are probably not very good people. So forgive me if I fail to have any sympathy for a group that has sworn to destroy Israel or any country that allies themselves with them, i.e. The U.S.
irishwxman | Jun 12, 2010, 04:17 PM EDT
Shuvonn says, "good job the US does not look unkindly upon those who have a negative view of their president" Do you ever read any news? You continue to call me anti-American for thinking Obama is a total moron and incapable of leadership. But what you fail to mention is that the MAJORITY of Americans agree with me! See his approval rating is almost in the upper 30 percentile, and his DISapproval ratings are almost in the 60 percentile. So I guess you are telling me that over half of the population of the United States is anti-American? DO you have any idea how ignorant that is? Just because you worship at the alter of Obama doesn't mean he is a God. He is a turd of epic proportions.
shuvonn | Jun 12, 2010, 04:10 PM EDT
WX: I think you have NOT said enough when you have not uttered one word of protest about the rockets INTO Gaza but ONLY count the ones INTO Israel. Not ONE word of protest about the facebook group wishing death on Haneen Zoabi (Arab member of the Knesset). Not one about the death of 8 Turkish citizens (ISRAELI ALLY) or a US citizen (I can understand that cause you ARE anti-American) I am no fan of Hamas OR Hezbollah, but labeling people anti-semetic or terrorists or terrorist lovers because they disagree means you are only towing the Israeli line. And YOU do not get to tell ME where I get to rest my ASS, nor do I care for your rabid hatred of all Muslims,Palestinians, not to mention Obama, good job the US does not look unkindly upon those who have a negative view of their president. An advisor to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, was quoted by political sources to have said that, "The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger." But WX seems to think there is NO humanitarian food crisis in Gaza, yet the actual amount of aid going into GAZA is down 75% since the illegal blockade. Israeli human rights organization Gisha, the Legal Center for Freedom of Movement, obtained an Israeli government document which says "A country has the right to decide that it chooses not to engage in economic relations or to give economic assistance to the other party to the conflict, or that it wishes to operate using 'economic warfare' ". Other banned goods by Israel into Gaza are petrol, fresh fruit and vegetables, dairy and personal hygiene products. It is illegal under International Law to wage a collective punishment of a civilian population, but Israel does not let things like that bother them...
irishwxman | Jun 12, 2010, 11:16 AM EDT
Shuvonn you and Mairead seem to have such a hard on for Hamas and the Palestinian terrorists, why don't you just pack up all of your belongings, give up your wonderful lives in America, and move your sympathizing asses to Palestine and protest all day long. I'm sure they would just love you over there.
irishwxman | Jun 12, 2010, 11:13 AM EDT
Once again for all of you daft Pro Hamas and anti Israel Jew haters, from the article above, "Hamas is not interested in a negotiated settlement and co-existence. That's why it keeps up its rocket attacks into Israel from Gaza. It may have been elected, but it has its own ideas about democracy. It has murdered most of the Fatah leaders who were its rivals, it imposes its fundamentalist views on the people and it deals savagely with any opposition. Its only interest is the destruction of Israel." Nuff said.
shuvonn | Jun 11, 2010, 08:10 PM EDT
AJ: 25% of pre-blockade aid gets into Gaza from Israel. FACT! That's a 75% reduction in aid into Gaza since the illegal blockade was formed. As per Amnesty International, the UN, Red Cross, Oxfam deem the situation in Gaza as a humanitarian aid crisis. As per an advisor to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, reportedly said that, "The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger. How nice of them Israelis, how thoughtful of them to admit their REAL plan in Gaza, somewhat like the ghettos they were subjected to live in, in Warsaw...how sad that what was done to them , they are NOW doing to others...
southcountykelly | Jun 11, 2010, 10:43 AM EDT
Thank you for this definitive and ojective take on the situation in Gaza.
maireadinmelb | Jun 11, 2010, 08:32 AM EDT
The entire point of the blockade is to punish the people of GAZA who ELECTED in a democratic election HAMAS to represent them!! Israel and the US did not like their democratic choice, (like in Iraq and afghanistan so they hold more elections till they get the result they want) SO now there is a blockade. THe NEW YORK Times states today that Tony Blair is of the view that this blockade is giving HAMAS greater support so Israel is making its own future terrrorists by denying children education and food!!
Ajreaper | Jun 11, 2010, 08:32 AM EDT
Mr Canada- I said 2 aims of the blockade and only 1 of which is to deny Hamas weapons. But go ahead and ignore whatever is contrary to any point you are trying to make. How much food and medcine crosses into Gaza each day from Isreal? Any of you Isreal bashers even know?
Ajreaper | Jun 11, 2010, 01:20 AM EDT
hmhmhm Mr Canada please note I said there was 2 reasons for the blockade only one of which was to deny Hamas the means to strike Isreal- but go right ahead and completely ignore what you choose to as it seems to be what you folks do. Apparently many of you lack the intellect to understand a blockade is not meant to cause as little disruption and discomfort to the blockaded population. Out of curiosity how many truckloads of food and medicine travel from Isreal into Gaza every day- do any of of you "damn Isreal" folks even have a clue what Isreal does allow in? Oh heck I just don't know why I even bother as none of you really care about anything that contradicts what you have already decided is "the truth"
CanadianPat | Jun 10, 2010, 06:49 PM EDT
gregwb57,Check today's Irish Times at Irishtimes.com, under heading Denying Supplies... by Frank McDonald. As for Ajreaper it would be a very odd rocket made of potato chips,sweets,jam,toys etc.... get your head out of your ...
gregwb57 | Jun 10, 2010, 05:26 PM EDT
G. Dillon, I was just wondering where you got the list from? What you say would be more creditable if you included a reference as to where you got your information from or do you think people will beleave what you say just because you said it? Greg
Ajreaper | Jun 10, 2010, 04:37 PM EDT
Geez Dillion cry me a river- the entire point of the blockade is to deny Hamas items they need to strike Isreal AND make life difficult on those in Gaza in the hope they'll apply political preasure on those who lead them- the same folks who think it's a good idea to shoot missiles into Isreal.
GeorgeDillon | Jun 10, 2010, 01:28 PM EDT
This columnist appears to have more allegience to Israel than to Ireland. Maybe he is so cocooned that he really thinks Irish public opinion supports violence and starvation. Since he seems quite ignorant about the Gaza blockade, mhe should study the following list: Sage, cumin, cardamon, coriander, ginger, jam, vinegar, nutmeg, chocolate, fruit preserves, nuts, biscuits, sweets, potato chips, gas for soft drinks, dried fruit, fresh meat, glucose, flavour and smell enhancers, fabric for clothing, toys, notebooks, A4 paper, musical instruments, cement, plaster, tar and wood for construction (heaven forbid that the people of Gaza should be allowed to rebuild their homes after the Israeli onslaught 18 months ago), as well as razors, sewing machines, spare parts or heaters for hatcheries, irrigation pipes, fishing rods or nets, horses, donkeys, goats and cattle. Maybe Mr Spain would enlighten us as to why children in Gaza are denied notepaper? Or jam? (Or maybe he thinks they should be denied schools, too). Disgusting Bigotry.
shuvonn | Jun 10, 2010, 12:46 PM EDT
The blockade IS illegal, NOT because I think it is, The U.N. and the international red cross think it is too. Sorry I seem to bother you so much WX :-) Wink :P sheesh I think he secretly likes me...
irishwxman | Jun 10, 2010, 11:25 AM EDT
Hey, just in case everyone didn't know, Shuvonn really wants us to know she believes the blockade is illegal. But its only because the Rad Cross thinks it is too. Just making sure EVERYONE knows so she will stop saying it in every single post.
CanadianPat | Jun 10, 2010, 10:28 AM EDT
The best of lies have a heaping dose of truth in them to make them more palatable! First The Irish people in general do not have any time for Hamas, second the I.R.A. never targeted the South of Ireland and most of the difficulties felt in the South were the result of anti Republican actions.Third though many of the activist may have many interest that does not make them wrong.Lastly the action on the Turkish ship was pure and utter murder,if nothing else the results prove it so.
shuvonn | Jun 10, 2010, 09:57 AM EDT
Monsoonman: Why should there ONLY be an agreement about the existence of Israel when the Palestinians deserve the same thing, recognition? And yes I agree that the violence against Palestinians has to stop, just as I agree that rockets into Israel has to stop.Why is your ONLY focus on violence against Israel? Why is your only focus on recognition of Israels right to exist? Why NO outrage at the setting up of a facebook group that had over 700 members before it was shut down advocating the murder of Haneen Zoabi? Anyone might think that YOU think violence is acceptable to ANY perceived (whether realistic or not)threat against Israel. And no one else has the right to protect itself...It's alright for Israeli's and yet not ANYONE else...
Monsoonman | Jun 10, 2010, 09:08 AM EDT
Great article! There needs to be a guarantee of some sort, ironclad of Israels existence. The jihad mentality has to cease, the violence has to stop or nothingis going to change.
shuvonn | Jun 10, 2010, 07:12 AM EDT
Hey WX before you agree with someone you should really read it ALL before you agree :-) It's like signing that you understand what was written in a statement. Just like the IDF tried to force the people they kidnapped to sign statements that they entered Israel illegally, :-) The blockade of Gaza IS illegal, and so the flotilla always made it clear that it was to bring aid AND to bring the worlds attention to that illegal blockade. As for the activists being responsible for the fighting that left 9 dead, the IDF boarded the boat in International waters, thereby it was an illegal operation, so if you run an illegal operation, YOU are responsible for the outcome, and breaching international law for your own security, when that places the security of other nationalities in danger, is irresponsible and could lose Israel an ally. And it is illegal to level collective punishment against a people. I agree with him when he says you can't but feel sorry for ordinary Palestinians. I would like to see the rockets into Israel stop, just as I would like to see the rockets and attacks on Gaza stop. We cannot level criticism against one side while condoning the actions of another. Just as we cannot be critical of Palestinians for not recognizing the state of Israel since Israel are choosing not to recognize a Palestinian state. It hypocritical to be critical of someone for doing something you are engaging in yourself.
maireadinmelb | Jun 10, 2010, 07:06 AM EDT
Why would Israel prevent cement going into GAZA, thats right must not let palestinians build bunkers! they might notdiel when they are bombed! Why do pro israel people not recognise the whilst Israel is talking it is also KILLING!
irishwxman | Jun 09, 2010, 02:08 PM EDT
and someone finally realized that, "...of course, was the whole purpose of this flotilla. *It wasn't really about delivering aid.* It was about creating a confrontation, grabbing international media attention and putting pressure on the Israelis to end the blockade of Gaza. It was about scoring a political point. The extremely violent behavior of the "peace activists" on the Turkish ship who attacked the Israeli commandos was mainly to blame for the subsequent fighting which left nine of them dead.
irishwxman | Jun 09, 2010, 02:06 PM EDT
No...I agree with him when he says, "Hamas is not interested in a negotiated settlement and co-existence. That's why it keeps up its rocket attacks into Israel from Gaza. It may have been elected, but it has its own ideas about democracy. It has murdered most of the Fatah leaders who were its rivals, it imposes its fundamentalist views on the people and it deals savagely with any opposition. Its only interest is the destruction of Israel. Faced with this, the Israelis in return want to destroy Hamas. Their method is the collective punishment of the Palestinian people for electing Hamas, aimed at turning them against the Hamas leaders."
shuvonn | Jun 09, 2010, 01:52 PM EDT
SO you agree when he says that the blockade of Gaza is restrictive, harsh and cruel and makes the lives of Palestinians primitive. And we should feel sorry for Palestinians who are suffering, while respecting Israelis need for security. Israel is creating enemies because it is its OWN worst enemy, and yes Netanyahu should write a book on who to win friends and influence people. It most certainly IS a mess.
irishwxman | Jun 09, 2010, 11:30 AM EDT
FINALLY!!! Someone over at Irish Central gets the story right. Thank you!!!