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Ireland Calling by John Spain

Greek financial mess not comparable to Ireland

Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 at 08:46 AM

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ESB chief executive Padraig McManus.
In the past few weeks the Irish Minister for Finance Michael Noonan has been stressing to his colleagues in Europe and his high level contacts in the U.S. that there is no comparison between the Greek financial mess and the crisis in the Irish state finances. "Ireland is not Greece, you know," Noonan repeated again and again to EU ministers and U.S. financial and business chiefs on his trip over there.  It became his catch phrase.

You can understand why he was at pains to emphasize the difference.  Greece is a basket case.  It's completely insolvent as a country.  It has little or no hope of sorting out the mess it is in.
And it's not just a country in massive debt.  It's a country in massive denial as well.

The Greeks just don't get it.  They don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that a country has to pay its way.

They seem to think it's someone else's fault.  They seem to think that if they hold enough marches and fill the TV news with enough mass protests, then somehow the problem will be solved.  That they won't have to cut their spending to match their revenue.

Maybe they think that the rest of Europe will keep saying okay, give them another few billion to keep them quiet.

Sadly, life is not as simple as that, even in Europe where billions gets thrown around in the name of holding the EU together.  There's a limit, and Greece is way over the line.

The fact is that it's not anybody else's fault that the Greeks are going down the plug hole.  It's their own fault.

Greece is a country where not paying your tax is a national pastime.  It's a country where the black economy is widespread so that huge numbers of people avoid paying tax and at the same time many of them claim all kinds of state benefits.  The inefficiency, everyday corruption and waste is legendary.

There are vast numbers of people on the state payroll, but no one seems to know what a lot of them do.  One (Greek) economist I heard recently suggested that the government should lock all the state offices without warning some day and do a head count.  He said that this would show that at least a quarter of those being paid were actually at home most of the time.

In Greece a lot of state workers have been able to retire in their fifties and get a full pension.  And when they die, the system is so lax that their kids go on collecting the pension (or so a recent investigation uncovered in many cases).  The same lack of checks means there is wholesale fraud across the welfare system in Greece.

And the rot starts at the top, with politicians who get big grants and expenses, senior civil servants who get dubious bonuses and gifts of holidays, and middle-rank state officials who refuse to make anything happen unless there's a kickback for them.  

One of the best examples of the madness is the pension deal for 25,000 power workers in Greece, which puts even the feather-bedding of workers in the ESB, the Irish electricity company, in the ha'penny place.
In Greece, the state has paid ****8 billion (that's over $11 billion) into the pension fund of these 25,000 lucky workers over the past 12 years.  And before you ask, the power supply in Greece is pretty dodgy.

Some of the stuff that goes on over there, you couldn't make up. Yet it's been like this for so long that it's now considered by people there to be normal, even justifiable.  

To be blunt about it, the home of democracy is corrupt.  Too many people there are on the fiddle and those who are not fiddling themselves are implicated every time they hire a plumber or a painter who is part of the black economy.

And who's going to turn this mess around?  All hope rests on the shoulders of the Prime Minister George Papandreou, whose father was Andreas Papandreou, also a prime minister 20 years ago and corrupt, and whose grandfather was Georgios Papandreou who was (you guessed it!) prime minister several times before him.
The current George, like his dad, is a socialist, and cutting back on state spending is not what he's good at.  Dishing it out comes more naturally to him.

Anyway, the current George is doing his best, mainly because he doesn't have a choice.  But the Greek public is in revolt.  There is a two day national strike happening this week over the massive cutbacks demanded by the EU and the IMF before any more billions are handed over.  

All of which explains why Noonan can assure everyone that "Ireland is not Greece, you know."
We have huge fiscal problems also and we need to cut back drastically.  But the public here understand, they are taking the bitter medicine and Irish society is holding together.

And of course there is no similarity between the inefficiency and fiddling that goes on over there and what happens here.  And no similarity between having such high numbers on the state payroll in a small country, or the number of those on big salaries and big guaranteed pensions.
No similarity at all, right?

Well, it's at this point that Noonan's dismissive "Ireland is not Greece, you know " assertion becomes less convincing.

It's at this point that we call in Declan Collier, chief executive of the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA), which runs the airports here.  His total package in 2010 totaled €612,500.

That's not bad, considering that in 2009 passenger numbers fell by 13% and last year they fell by another 10%, just as the white elephant that is Terminal 2 opened at Dublin Airport.  It's a vast cavern of emptiness, with only a handful of the retail units occupied.

DAA profits plunged over the past couple of years but hey, so what, he jacked up the airport charges by nearly half, so they're back in the black.  The ordinary Joe can pay, right?

Or we might want to call in Padraig McManus, chief exec of the previously mentioned ESB, the semi-state which has supplied us with power over the years. He had a package of around €750,000 in 2009.

It was reduced a bit in 2010 but it's still huge.  No doubt the Greek power workers would applaud, but the rest of us, facing electricity prices that are among the highest in Europe, might not.

Not that the cost of electricity would bother Padraig since he gets a 50% discount on his own bill, like all the other ESB workers, who have average pay of around €76,000 a year.

And that's average pay, so it covers everyone including the guys with the shovels who put up the poles and the guys with the screwdrivers who do the wiring. They're probably the best paid power workers in the world.  With probably the best pensions.

Outside Greece, of course.

These are just two of the many semi-state organizations here who have had virtual monopolies for years.  The ESB is now facing some competition, but its size still makes it dominant.

And the DAA still has the kind of monopoly that would make even the Greeks envious.

That's just two of our semi-states, but the same point applies to all of them -- they don't face real competition or real risk.  So they can charge what they like and pay themselves packages that match the private sector where real risk has to be faced.

The chief executives of all the Irish semi-states are at it.  The head of An Post has been getting around €400,000 for delivering the mail. The boss of Coillte, the forestry organization, was getting around €300,000 for looking after the trees.

The head of Bord na Mona was getting the same for minding the bogs. Even the boss of Bord na gCon (the greyhound industry) was getting almost as much.  Talk about going to the dogs!

And of course this seeps down through senior management and staff, in a culture of high pay, low efficiency, long holidays and a nice easy working life with a lovely fat pension to follow.

The same culture is there in politics, the civil service, the judiciary and right across the vast numbers on the state payroll.  It's a culture of high charges, high salaries, high pensions.

And it's the pensions part that really infuriates people in the private sector, most of whom have seen their pensions decimated by the crash in the markets.  The high pensions for state workers here are paid out of state funds (i.e. borrowing) and are guaranteed. Just like in Greece.

This can't go on, of course, and the government is now taking the first steps to reforming the system.
Last week it announced that semi-state bosses, senior civil servants, judges and other top dogs are to be hit with big pay cuts to cap their salaries at €250,000.  What they didn't make clear is that these guys are still in line for pensions that would cost a private sector worker millions to fund.

And the politicians who are in charge of the system do very well out of the pensions racket, of course.
The reason all this is important is that unless there is top down reform, ordinary workers on the state payroll here won't accept pay cuts and higher efficiency changes.

One of the few exceptions to the salary ceiling is our pal Padraig, the head of the ESB, who will still be getting well over €300,000 for keeping the lights on.  How will he survive?

Maybe the Greeks can give him a few tips.


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Let's try to separate banking incompetence from trying something to stimulate demand. 40% down sounds silly--until you realize the house that was e500 might be half, today. but, what i really trying to suggest is some means for increasing demand -- and, oh---we should also have currency swaps thrown in the mix, so joe o'sixpack can be relieved of currency risk. this idea will never happen--but, were it to, housing would show some recovery...as for the banks, i have wondered if the government went too far & whether some aspects of the gtee might be deemed a 'gift;'and, if so, might some debt be re-characterized as non-gtd.......probably wishful thinking
ctempranillo-Had Ireland's banks had ANY of its loan portfolios with 40% down, they would be in more solid shape. As you knnow, bank-owned properties (i.e., foreclosures) are sold on the "county courthouse steps" all across America every month. Cash deals, in seven (7) days...so,yes,a program for the sale of individual (vs. financed, leveraged, buyouts of "blocks" of properties) properties to ebears at reduced cash commitments (at appropriately discounted prices, mind you)might be a workable route to occupancy and utilization...my "beef" on the issue centers on the fact(that)Ireland, while it clears its books and positions itself to repay its debts to financial institutions, NEEDS to pause, and consider its debts as a sovereign nation...These debts should be SUBORDINATE to the Geraldine Land Heist at the founding of the Republic!
cMBA-clearly, something is required to spark demand. details re qualifiers for debate. think conceptually & maybe, we develop an idea worth pursuing. maybe 40% down in a depressed market invested by Dollar bulls might be worth discussing. perhaps, e-bears the better term. lots of rough edges.
Go raibh maith ag Searlit go leor!!... Like aseef we need l’IMF! Me and me office mates were talking over morning coiffeur - (jacers! Watch yer language – it’s coffee! *Wha’??? Pizzoff!*) - as to what might happen if ze Greequess had defaulted and yer one, Mad Dame gan aon Regarde, hadta face such a situation. We agreed that she was already overpaid for her job and that she should distribute her surplus Monet to the newest entrante au le table du Trazeyseum Vorld Countrays. Bonjoor, Mad Dame... Ireland Calling. Vill Messer Johan Spain next pleeze standaise up?... Actually, as an ecommunist meself, I agree a lot w/ casualMBA’s comments at 10.19pm. It’s a vay forward. En chargay Lagarde!
"Diasporistas" being offspring of qualifying diaspora?...heck of a deal; 40% down and 'perhaps' a preferential rate ...may need some rough edges smoothed ;)
we all now know Ireland's problem is ultimately related to the housing boom; that it enabled egregious compensation schemes to be ignored; that bankers were permitted to be stupid [and perhaps deemed stupid for being stupid; that everyone believed housing prices would not decline. no, Eire aint Hellas. The problems are nonetheless severe. I wonder whether encouraging the diaspora to invest might prove fruitful. oh, we could dream up ten thousand reasons why not to do it. Economists often talk about tipping points........my sense is the D-men/women could would should provide the spark needed. let me give one example. as regards foreclosed properties, develop a protocol whereb y diaspora bidders would have to put down 40% to permit a mortgage of 60% perhaps at a preferential rate; irish residents not subject to any mins. Diasporistas would be vetted so that loan obtention is taken as a given. more details to come just a thought
Though Irish "semi-state" CEOs may be taking home a handsome paycheck, "semi-states" may be the way of the future if Ireland's economy is to get on its feet. IC's piece on Google's Eric Schmidt focuses on the need for expansion in broadband wireless, and high speed information technology "infrastructure," as well as IT inclusion (as in integral) of small and medium businesses. Continued investment in "infrastructure" of all kinds (though Celtic Tiger was a real step forward) is essential, along with education, if Ireland is to sustain growth in its GDP. These initiatives, however, are likely to include Irish "semi-states."
Thank-you jacersagain. Ádh mór ort le IMF!
Sheesh! ICentral's policing editors don't allow certain buttons to be ressed. Use the key button Alt Gr followed by the letter to get the fada in.
Ooops alors! gaibh mo leath scéal! >> " .. on the key that shows and while holding it down, follow with pressing the letter you want a fada on..."
@Searlit – tks for compliment of calling me a friend. Why oh why don’tcha listen to me advices for the fadas?? Never mind ((Friend)) - here’s a quick way to do the fadas (ICentral writers note as well, pls): On yr keyboard, press down on the key that shows and while holding it down, follow with pressing the letter you want “fada’ded”. Mar seo: á í é ó ú. Nó mar seo (using ): Á, Í, É, Ó, Ú. Sin mar a dhéanaigh tú é. Slán go fóill. :-) >> Now, all I have to do is teach the new IMF Chief, Madame Christine Lagarde, how we Irish speak and write about money matters. And it won’t be through Double-Dutch or Greek.
I see from today's Business News that Worldwide investors are not buying the "Ireland is not Greece" T-shirts. Pity that. They could have made a fortune buying them in bulk and selling them on. I saw a lovely letter in the Irish papers recently re Mr. Noonan and his Govt colleagues being in reality members of the Fianna Fail Continuity Party. Ya can't beat Irish wit!
Nicely analysed John... When I heard of Noonan's "Ireland is not Greece" campaign, I had to smile. I remember Dublin in the "good ol' days". I left for N. America in 1974. I remember that in order to get a telephone installed, if you didn't know someone personally in the telephone company you would be waiting months to have a phone installed. Even when you did know someone and could get your name bumped up the list it still took weeks. Has that changed? As for the ESB, my grandfather worked for them before the war. He was injured on the job and died from his injuries after four years in a mental hospital - he had been struck in the head by piece of equipment falling off a power pylon. The company covered the medical costs, but they gave my grandmother nothing in the way of a pension.
There may be problems with certain pay levels and salaries. Just don't go thinking that privatization will help. From recent evidence, the administrative costs skyrocket whenever a former state agency is privatized. BTW, is my friend Jacersagain reading this? I need those Irish fadas again, please. :)




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