Ireland is broke - with a growing population
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We all know that if Ireland is to avoid going bust, it has to cut back on state spending very severely. Even with the cutbacks that have already been implemented, state spending is still between a third and a half more than the revenue that's coming in.
There is a bigger picture, of course. The huge amount of bank debt we are carrying as a state is too much to bear, and at some point in the future the EU and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) will have to recognize that and accept some level of debt forgiveness.
That will reduce our massive annual interest bill and mean that not so much state spending vanishes on that rather than being available for services.
But even if that happens, we still face a major readjustment in our spending. And it's essential that it happens as fast as possible if we are to avoid turning into another Greece.
To be able to raise state funds on the money markets again and to end our dependency on the EU and the IMF we have to show that we can get our Budget deficit under control again. That means cutting state spending progressively until it comes close to matching revenue.
The problem is that it is incredibly difficult to do. Everyone regards their share of state funding to be absolutely essential.
We have seen that in the past week, for example, in the bitter arguments that have broken out over spending on small local hospitals. Last weekend Taoiseach (Prime Minister) Enda Kenny was accused of lying because he gave commitments on preserving services at these local hospitals during the election.
Now he is faced with the reality of cutting back in health, one of the biggest state spending areas, and some small local hospitals are losing their full accident and emergency services as a result.
People in the affected areas are outraged by this because it means they will now be an hour or (in the most remote areas) two hours away from an A&E unit. This is something that people in rural America are used to, of course. It goes with the territory.
But here it is seen as completely unacceptable. Irish people want a full 24-hour A&E surgical service on their doorstep no matter where they live, how much it costs or how inefficient it is.
We have seen the same kind of emotive reaction in relation to schools recently, when it was announced that the number of special needs assistants would have to be cut back sharply.
These are the assistants who help teachers cope with children who have physical disabilities or conditions like attention deficit disorder. It's hard to think of a more emotive issue.
But from none a few years ago, we now have hundreds of these posts on the state payroll. And we just can't afford them, just like we can't afford the hundreds of language assistant teachers taken on to cope with immigrant children with no English.
There are many other areas where cutbacks have to be made which are equally difficult, for example in relation to psychiatric services or care for the elderly.
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Cutting back state services here to the level we can now afford was always going to be hard. But it's only now that people are waking up to the reality of just how difficult and painful it is actually going to be.
Of course we can increase taxes and that is coming down the tracks, starting with the big one, a property tax, followed by water charges.
But the truth is that we are getting into the area of diminishing returns on taxation here. Pushing taxes higher will further depress the business environment and further expand the black economy in which people pay no tax at all.
In addition to that, there is a very strong feeling here that people are already paying enough because as well as very high income taxes (when all the extra income levies and charges are included), almost all the services that people access now involve an extra payment.
From bin tags for your garbage to college registration fees to private health insurance (because you can't rely on the state health service), people in middle class Ireland pay through the nose for services that are supposed to be supplied by the state. And they do so even though they have already paid for these services through their income taxes.
There has been a lot of puzzlement here about why our state services (like health) seem to be in an almost permanent state of crisis these days. It wasn't like this in the old days, people say.
After all the years of the boom, why can't we pay now for the services that a civilized society should be able to offer all its citizens?
One of the main reasons, although it's rarely included in discussions about our state services, is the change in population. The big increase in our population has put huge pressure on stretched state services.
Back in the 1950s (a decade I have been researching recently for another project) the population was 2.6 million. The first figures from the recent census taken in April were published last week and revealed that this year, 2011, our population in the Republic stands at just over 4.58 million, which is the highest it's been for 160 years.
This has been a big surprise to all the experts here, who had been confidently predicting that the drastic downturn in our economy over the past two years would have resulted in a sharp fall in our population as immigrants went home and Irish people emigrated. In fact the present population level is 110,000 more than the experts had predicted. That has serious implications for the demand on state services here, in schools, hospitals, public transport and so on.
It has thrown the government's forward planning into confusion and will mean that some of the budget estimates for spending are going to be off. And that will mean the EU and the IMF will be pushing us even harder to stick to our deficit targets.
The official reaction to the population boom was interesting. We were told that the growth in population had shifted from being fed by immigration to "natural growth." In other words, more babies.
Between 2002 and 2006, migration represented 60% of the change in our population, the experts said. Between 2006 and 2011, the change was 65% due to the birth rate and 35% due to migration.
What the politically correct official commentary did not make clear, of course, is that the immigrants who came here over the past decade were predominantly younger people, and that a significant part of our baby boom has to do with that. The birth rate in Ireland is currently the highest among all the EU countries.
The other factor that is clear is that the expected exodus of tens of thousands of Eastern European immigrants who came here during the boom has not happened. Instead of going home again, they are staying here.
Not only that but we are having what the experts call "net immigration" at the moment, and that is likely to continue for the next few years. In other words, in spite of the big numbers of people who are emigrating because of high unemployment here, even more people are still coming here to live.
This has caused a good deal of puzzlement in official circles, but there's really no mystery involved. The fact is that welfare benefits of various kinds are much better here than in Eastern Europe, so even if you have lost your job why would you go back to your home country?
There's unemployment benefit, rent allowance, children's allowances, fuel vouchers in winter, money for schoolbooks and clothes and so on. All of which add up to a standard of living that even people with jobs in rural Eastern Europe cannot match.
The fact is that the children's allowances alone here for three or four kids would keep a small village in rural Romania going.
The problem stems from the guiding principle on which the European Union operates. All citizens must be treated equally, wherever they live.
So you can't pay immigrants a lower level of unemployment benefit or children's allowances just because in their home countries the cost of living is one fifth what it is here.
This has been enforced to a ridiculous degree. For example, immigrants can claim for Irish children's allowances even when their children are still living back in their homeland.
It completely distorts the situation and provides a strong incentive for immigrants to stay here even if there is no work. The fact is that this principle cannot work unless all benefits paid by the states across Europe are harmonized, and we're many years away from that.
There are moves to change this situation in other European countries, even ones with a very liberal ethos like Holland. The suggestion is that after a certain period out of work, immigrants from other EU countries should be required to return home.
This is completely against EU principles, of course. And it's a complicated situation when the immigrants have children born in Ireland. But a solution has to be found.
The politically correct attitude is that our expanded younger population is something to celebrate and will be a big benefit to us in the future. But getting to the future without going bust in the meantime is the problem.
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Towngate | Jul 15, 2011, 06:35 PM EDT
Cursplutter. I am in despair! I just can't seem to please you at all, no matter how hard I try! Here you are again - completely off-topic making another unwarrented personal attack on a fellow Commenter and insulting us all ~ and John Spain in particular, by not directing a single letter of any word of your comment to his excellent Post here!~~~ we now discover your legendary monumental ignorance extends to medical matters too! Polyps can develop in anyone, anywhere at any time of their lives, and I rather think you associate them solely with the rectum, from your own personal experience. Any experience I have of such examinations was solely in order to comply with strict health standards required by Thady Quill LirAir to fly the likes of your sorry backside full of bursting blistering buboes - brought on by years and years of tireless self-abuse - from Queenstown to Roscommon Hospital in under 5 minutes!
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sirpeter | Jul 14, 2011, 09:09 AM EDT
Creakygate you're a bundle of optimism.I see you missed my inspiring comments.I'll try and keep the auld candle flickering more brightly for you Creaky.Interesting how the word polyp sprang into your mind.Old people talk alot about polyps don't they?Makes me think you had a certain rectal probing at some stage.Bet you enjoyed that (tee-hee).And to think all that medical treatment was all for free.Say it loud Creaky~It's a great little Country.
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Towngate | Jul 13, 2011, 06:53 PM EDT
OBPiper. Hi! The banks are just as murky this side of the Pond. You are right in all you say. However the Little Green Men and the Wee Orange Men of Ireland will never join. Have you got a paintbox? Mix those colo(u)rs! ~ hey,y'see! ~ NOBODY wants to be THAT colour! ~ Although God knows the country is up to it's neck in it! S'long!
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Towngate | Jul 13, 2011, 01:24 PM EDT
Well,John - good meaty Comments on this Piece. Well done. ~ ~ Thanks joycean. When do we make a start? MotherIrish all great stuff and covered in my plan! - all except learning the language at church.(Aahhh,and which Language to you mean,though!?)
No,it would have to be taught and examined forensically by proper humans for fear the clergy - if they survive being defrocked of all their wealth and State support (cover-up)- get up to their old tricks of terrifying the innocent and holding the Sheeple in the Steeple to ransom with Fear and Lies and cruel False Hope!. ~ And LoyalCitizen the same goes for the Judiciary, I'm afraid, who have abused their secretly appointed, unaccountable,unelected - frankly: bizarre - powers for far too long. We baulk at Aristocratic power and yet we accept this. It has always been a mystery to me! Btw: Even Sirpeter the Polyp; the balmy bargain-basement-dweller whose candle has been flickering wery dimly recently,shocked us by offering his Flying Doctor Service. If he ever gets it off the ground - he can borrow my spare Lear! - Cork 'airport' to Roscommon A&E: JT:4mins.50secs. ~ Slainte!
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OBPiper | Jul 13, 2011, 12:35 PM EDT
I am native to the U.S.A. and I don't for a moment think that the situation is any better here than over there. Indeed, I wonder how it is that the banks come out on top and who owns them. The U.S.A. is complicit in concealing the ownership of banks and in corruptly giving lifeliess corporations the civil rights of human citizens. Perhaps in smaller Ireland crimes can be easier uncovered and remedied. The I.R.A. and the Orange people should join forces!
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Trealach | Jul 13, 2011, 11:17 AM EDT
Don't you just love it when American's lecture how other countries should operate, yet America has the highest national debt in the world, without a hope or intention of paying it back. They have ALL the answers for EVERYONE else - but NONE for their own massive problems. They prefer to waste $650billion on a useless military, and then have the audacity to criticise a Christian Country which takes care, as best it can, of the poor. They ridicule us for being Christian in our socialism, yet they pride themselves in a selfish and self-serving failed capitalism. It would be better if American started filling in their own financial hole, before lecturing to others how to fill theirs. The Irish are well known for being able to get out of our own mess - unlike America.
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MotherIrish | Jul 13, 2011, 10:55 AM EDT
With so many on the dole, it is no wonder that Ireland has problems. Cut the dole. If you do not hand out everything to the non-productive, then people will find a way to make money. If you choose to have kids, then you have to pay for them. If you choose to migrate from another country, learn the language the way my grandparents did, at church. Why is it the responsibility of the current tax payers to pay an immmigrant's way to learn the language of the country they have chosen to live in.
Let the parents pay for the books and uniforms. Come on now -- who is responsible for what any more? Back up on the social programs. The people need to take responsiblity for them selves. Government is not run economically; we all know that.
I feel sorry for you Ireland but I feel the pain coming to America too with all the social programs that Obama wants by leveling the money. We have people here who get paid to be on the dole - and I pay income taxes to pay those who are baby mills and do not work but are able. I fear we are all in or getting into the sinking boat of welfare and 'social' programs
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joycean | Jul 13, 2011, 10:08 AM EDT
If I were one of the IMF investigaters, I doubt is I would agree to partial debt forgiveness based on the case you make, maybe a moratorium, as Towngate suggests. Problem is: Ireland has all these immigrants because life is better in Ireland than Eastern Europe or where ever. So life in Ireland is not as bad as elsewhere. IMF money is meant for developing countries:the home countries those people come from.I think Ireland's problem is that it had a sudden, but unsustained, affluence, and now it wants it back.The problem with American health care isn't lack of availability in rural areas, it's cost, which is not government subsidized.People pay huge premiums for private insurance. Welfare was "reformed" years ago to make it very difficult to get. It certainly isn't available to 50% of the population.
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LoyalCitizen | Jul 13, 2011, 10:04 AM EDT
Ireland is not broke. Being broke would be nice for a change. Ireland is insolvent several times over without ability to pay off the debts. Ireland is also burdened with a corrupt establishment. The only solution i see is to shut down everything and start again with a court system that works to control politicians or take a leaf out of the Icelandic book.
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sirpeter | Jul 13, 2011, 09:57 AM EDT
Just because rural America except that they have to travel 2 hours to an A&E surgical service doesn't mean we Irish have to except it.It is crucial a seriously injured person gets to an A&E within an hour (also known as the golden hour)to save that persons life.Bet they won't cut back on the fire service because property is worth millions if it burns down.Lets face it human life is cheap to any government.But I like to remind them mine isn't.Every American should have access to an A&E within an hour too.How much would a few cheap medical choppers or light aircraft in the right places cost when you compare the $685.1 billion spent every year on the US military.We pay the bondholders country crushing billions.But essential services are always to expensive.They need a good poke in the eye.
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Towngate | Jul 13, 2011, 09:49 AM EDT
John: Ireland has ALREADY gone bust. That's what having massive debts that you can't ever hope to repay properly,means! ~~~ Tax receipts are relative so the actual size of the population shouldn't matter - providing the proportion of the workforce is stable. ~~ State Benefits and Salaries with all their shapes and horrors should be a priority in reducing waste. John, putting aside the examples you cite which are astonishingly part of claimants rights - there is known to be widespread abuse of the system; the 'nixer culture' (black market/barter/cash is king/ 'a bit for the books an' that's for yourself'/'Animal died on farm', scam, and what-have-you),is thriving. I could cite many cases that would make your toes curl! And more importantly, everyone KNOWS this is going on big-time throughout the country,every day ~ on every level! ~ ~ ~ If this new Dail was serious it would explain to our EU Partners Bailout boys,that they WILL get every cent back with interest, but they must give them five years in order to do some serious 'housekeeping' at home! Suspend those ridiculous EU social provisions for Member citizens from outside Ireland, either by repatriating them or barring them from local Welfare payments. ~ On the home front, each Claimant should be thoroughly investigated and their extended families means-tested and general wealth at home and abroad, should be taken into acccount.
~~~ The justification for these harsh measures will be that we simply have to live within our genuine means ~ with everyone playing an HONEST part in fulfilling the aspirations of our country.
Let's have a good clear-out first and see if we really CAN DO IT!
I read 'the Soldiers of Destiny' want to change their name to wipe out their crimes against the State.~Fat Chance! Let us hope the true nature of Irelands natural Destiny is not to be reduced to Moody''s JUNK!
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