Emigration the only way out for young Irish in Ireland -- No future, no jobs, no hope if they stay behind
By: John Spain | Published Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 6:39 AM | Updated Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 6:39 AM
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Children taking part in a Sinn Fein organized demonstration against emigration in Dublin earlier this year.
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Behind the very occasional good news story about new jobs the
economic situation here remains absolutely dire. Not that you would think that watching the way
Taoiseach (Prime Minister) Enda Kenny and his ministers turn up at every new job announcement to bask in the glory and suggest that we're emerging from the gloom.
There have been a couple of examples of this in the past two weeks, with the Kerry Group announcing 900 jobs at a new food product research facility to be built in Co. Kildare and the
Paddy Power bookmaking business announcing 600 new jobs in their Dublin HQ in online gambling and the supporting technology and marketing.
Both of these are impressive developments in home grown
businesses that are doing well, and of course new jobs are not only welcome but desperately needed. But the way we are all supposed to accept news like this as the dawn of a bright new day and the way the
Kenny and his ministers seize on these announcements and milk them to the last drop is worrying for several reasons.
Firstly these are mainly high end jobs, some of which will require high skill sets and language abilities that will not be that easy to find among Irish school and college graduates. As in similar job announcements recently, some of these jobs will go to foreign applicants who will come in here to fill the vacancies. We will come back to this later.
But the main issue in this week's talking points memo, as Bill O'Reilly would say, is that such announcements give a misleading view on the jobs situation here right now, because that remains extremely bleak.
The fact is that
Ireland is hemorrhaging people now, particularly young people, because they can't get jobs at home.
The headlines and the statistics are soul destroying, and no doubt you will have seen some of them.
Most of the figures come from information gleaned in the census last year, which led to the memorable headline
that emigration was worse now than at any time since the famine. Another emotive headline said that one person was leaving every five minutes. This was built on figures that showed that 87,100 people a year were
emigrating – a daily average of 238, or one person every 303 seconds, which is just over five minutes.
That was the situation over a year ago, and what level
emigration is at now is anyone's guess, although no expert thinks it is coming down.
Adding information from airline figures, from unemployment figures and other official statistics to the base of the census data allows the experts to estimate the current level of emigration. But it's not an exact science, partly because there is no real effort to gather enough information. Official Ireland does not really want to know.
Read more on Irish immigration here.The overall point is that we are losing a significant slice of the present generation of young people. And many of them will never come back on a permanent basis.
The return of
emigration here on a scale that is now higher than in the eighties or in the fifties or probably any time since the famine has, of course, caused a great deal of discussion and comment here.
But a lot of this is superficial. An in-depth analysis of
emigration to identify its root causes would involve many sacred cows in Ireland, and official Ireland is not prepared to go there.
Of course we know the immediate reason why so many people are leaving right now -- they can't find jobs at home.
The emigration figures are higher than ever before because our population is higher than at any time since the famine, and the
economic crisis we are going through now is deeper than any this century.
Most of that is of our own making, but our situation is made even worse by the worldwide financial crisis and slowdown.
That much is clear. It's stating the obvious.
But what is not clear is why Ireland is so vulnerable and so prone to emigration.
Mass emigration is not unique to us, but we are probably the country in the world best known for it.
There are historic reasons, of course. We have a history of
emigration that goes back to the famine and because we speak English, the U.K., the U.S., Canada and Australia are easy destinations for our escape.
There are social reasons as well. For decades, up to relatively recently, our Catholic belief in the evils of birth control meant that large families were common.
Families with eight or 10 children growing up on modest farms in areas with no industrial development were seen as something to be celebrated, even though the inevitable result was going to be
emigration.That has now changed drastically, with the high number of single parent or one child families bringing down the average number of children per family in Ireland to less than two.
But there are still large families, and the emigration option is deeply ingrained in us at this stage.
Another critical factor is the failure of our culture and particularly our school system to develop a sense of entrepreneurship. The idea of starting your own
business is not a dream many young Irish have, at least not until they go abroad. Too often here the aim is to get into one of the professions or the civil service.
Our school system is still a largely classical education, with rote learning to pass exams and a failure to teach children to think for themselves and to develop initiative. In spite of recent efforts to get kids to do more math and science, Shakespeare and Irish still take up large chunks of school days.
Very few schools have computer rooms, and computer skills and programming/information technology is still not a Leaving Cert (high school) subject.
On top of this we have very poor language skills by European standards. It's not unusual for a Dutch or French or German teenager to speak English and another foreign language as well as their own. They study English and often another foreign language, starting in primary (junior) school.
Here we don't study a "continental" language until secondary (high) school because Irish, the dead language to which we continue to pay lip service, is a compulsory part of every school day and eats up the time for language.
One consequence of this is that many call center and technical support center jobs here (like some of the new
Paddy Power jobs mentioned above) end up being filled by immigrants from other parts of Europe.
During times of strong
economic growth these factors tend to masked by the number of jobs in construction and services. But these weaknesses -- particularly the failure to develop an enterprise culture here and the failure to radically change our education system -- mean that in normal times
emigration remains a constant factor in Irish life.
Another factor that masks our failure is the success of foreign direct investment (FDI) here, the multinational companies (many American) who open plants here to supply product or services to Europe or the wider world.
The fact that we are English speaking and that we have a young workforce that used to be cheap (and is now becoming cheap again) helps us to maintain this, although the truth is that it is mainly tax driven. The trouble with FDI is that it is moveable, and we have seen the consequences of that in the past decade as we were undercut by well educated, young workforces in other countries and plants migrated from here.
The bottom line is that our efforts to create and maintain enough jobs here for our population has never equaled the performance of, say, the Scandinavian countries. Our society remains locked in attitudes and beliefs that prevent us from developing the way we need to and from tailoring our population level and our education in a way that will allow us to take control of our national destiny rather than forever being forced to accept the humiliation of forced emigration.
Voluntary
emigration will always be an option for our adventurous young people, and so it should be. But forced emigration of people who do not want to leave is a scandal and a failure.
The ridiculous amount of
immigration to Ireland that happened during the boom -- the census last year showed that we now have half a million non-Irish people living here -- is another facet of our failure to plan and organize our society in a sustainable, sensible manner. Around half of
the emigration figures produced by the census last year related to some of these people going home again, mainly east Europeans.
But many now regard Ireland as their permanent home, partly due to our higher standard of living, education, housing, health care, welfare and so on.
Faced with an
economy now in crisis and the necessity to make huge cutbacks in state spending, the wisdom of allowing such large scale
immigration now seems doubtful, if it ever made sense.
But what to do about the situation in this era of political correctness where everyone is expected to look on multi-culturalism as a blessing remains to be seen.
The immediate problem is, of course, our flat-lining
economy, with little sign that our unemployment level (almost twice the level in the U.S.!) is going to come down anytime soon.
Even the IMF last week was wondering aloud whether the austerity program here was depressing
economic activity so much that jobs would not emerge and that the cure might be worse than the disease. Thanks, guys. We could have told you that.
The answer, as if you didn't know, is to split our banking and our sovereign debt, get the ECB to take a hit on our bank debt and give us a chance.
Beyond the present crisis we are in -- and it is difficult at the moment to look that far ahead -- we need to grow up as a country and start taking responsibility for ourselves, for how big our families are and for how we are going to provide enough jobs for our population, whatever sustainable level that is.
Only then might forced
emigration be consigned to where it belongs -- the history books.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.Mickey Ryan | Nov 09, 2012, 10:15 PM EST
I only agree with about 65% of this article. Mr. Spain makes some good points here and there but dropping the Irish language for other languages for the purpose of call center jobs? Complaining about large Irish families?! Thats a good thing. Wtf is this China?
Smyrnian | Nov 01, 2012, 07:51 AM EDT
WKnee - on re-reading tour post I absolutely agree with your additional point that immigration into Ireland will have a huge negative impact. Too many idealistic 'goody two shoes' politicians think that (and I have repeatedly heard this nonsense) Ireland owes the world something because our people emigrated. Yes, we went to the U.S. which had vast territory and few people, same for Australia, Canada etc. Ireland is a tiny island with virtually no ability culturally or economically to absorb these type of culturally diverse immigrants without forever impacting our own society. They should ask the French and the Dutch how they are making out with their Muslims.
Seanmor | Oct 26, 2012, 12:50 AM EDT
In the Korean War at least 29 young Irishmen were among those killed. Three of these won Bronze Stars and one of the three, Cpl. Ptk Sheahan of Moyvane, Kerry, also won a Silver Star. It is unfair, simply deplorable that if a grandnephew or grandniece of those any of those brave young men now sought a permanent U.S. visa,he or she would have only a very slim chance of obtaining such document. Shouldn't young would-be emigrants from the land of the 29 who made the Supreme Sacrifice for the U.S. while Irish citizens now be rewarded with U.S. visas, which appear easily available to applicants from countries, none of whose citizens served with the U.S. in Korea?
greensod | Oct 20, 2012, 09:15 PM EDT
Seamus60: It appears your differences with Gerry Adams is of a personal nature.I see him in a different light,and can say he has never lied to me since I first met him 40 years ago.
greensod | Oct 20, 2012, 09:01 PM EDT
WoundedKnee: Alright, at least you seek to understand.That I respect. My post was not to show any disrespect for the Irish or anything Irish.I am Irish born and raised.My only point being,for 80 years our Country has been ruled by a Government of Freestaters,I have personal experience of their performance for 70 of those years.It is my considered opinion they failed utterly.The situation in Ireland today would support that.Could you explain how this occurred.I am at a loss too understand it.Why did the people let this go on for so many years.Now since Ireland has become the dumping ground for those unwanted souls by our Masters in Europe, they will one day have the right to vote.They will Rid Dublin of all Freestaters,which the Irish have failed too do for the past 80 years. Ireland has been ruled,it has not been Governed.This was not the intent of Pearce, Connelly,or Collins.In closing consider your harsh position you leveled at some countries in your last post,i think the Poles and Indians would especially be keen to raise a few issues with your opinion of their countries. Ghandi would be disappointed.
WoundedKnee | Oct 20, 2012, 11:47 AM EDT
greensod: "Read my post again,see if you can get my drift." I have reread it, and it's still incomprehensible. You don't seem to be able to express yourself in writing.
Curitiba | Oct 20, 2012, 09:05 AM EDT
Why are there no jobs in Ireland? Simple, somebody made the assumption that a an agrarian-based country that never experience the Industrial Revolution of its powerful neighbour could be transformed into a "tiger economy" based on selling houses to each other. On top of this, they assumed that a few transient foreign companies taking advantage of Ireland's cheaper labour costs (in the past) meant that Ireland was now a big player in the South Korea league. Not so. Ireland has no form of income or industry to keep the masses employed and NI, that theme park of Uber-Britishness (go to Leicester and then to Belfast and then decide which city is more British)is entirely financed by the hard-pressed British taxpayer. Both countries are on the edge, ROI is terrified Berlin with cut off their funding, and the Unionists have to keep strong-arming the adoring government in Westminster to keep the tsunami of cash flowing. Once both streams of income are stopped, the island of Ireland is finished as a viable place to live. Shades of St Kilda here, I think.
seamus60 | Oct 19, 2012, 08:23 PM EDT
Greensod. You can`t assure me anything about Adams whom I have known personally for 30 years. The man is a liar who has been on the payroll of the brits for decades with others closer to my home in Derry.
BishopSean | Oct 19, 2012, 08:07 PM EDT
Wounded Knee, re yr 10/10/12, statement: "Is that why [the Israelis] carried out pograms of Arab villages (Deir Yasin, for example)?” This item was publicized by Hazem Nusseibeh (then editor of Palestinian Broadcasting Service in 1948). Check BBC interview of Nusseibeh in 1998 in Amman, Jordan, in which he openly admitted these were his invented falsehoods, done on orders from Khalidi, the then 1948 Secretary of Arab Higher Committee. Please research carefully both sides of controversies. I was unable to get my response on the same 10-10-12 posting.
greensod | Oct 19, 2012, 07:50 PM EDT
Seamus60, I can assure you, Gerry Adams is not in the fooling Business.
greensod | Oct 19, 2012, 07:45 PM EDT
WoundedKnee, Looks like you completely missed my point. Racism in Cavan is not one of our strong points.Read my post again,see if you can get my drift.
aloistmartin | Oct 19, 2012, 04:59 PM EDT
Protestants, Criminals, and Immigrants, are simply cheaper to Employ, and Exploit, than God Fearing Roman Catholics !
Searlit | Oct 19, 2012, 11:15 AM EDT
It's raining here now. Thinking about Ireland's cultural heritage evaporating is troubling me.
IrelandNorth | Oct 19, 2012, 06:27 AM EDT
There's more to education than sculpting young nationals to fit into industrial machinery. Irish patriot/school teacher Comdt P H Pearse, BA BCL once said: "Tír gán téanga ís tír gán anam/A land without a language is a land without a soul!" What price would Seán Spáin have us sell our soul for? Native Irish nationals loose out to employment prospects in their own country because the bosses union - the Irish Business and Employers Confederation (IBEC) prevailed upon the current government to exclude foreign workers from the protection of Irish labour law. Consequentlly, Irish bosses can hire foreign workers at wage levels in their countries of origin, providing an economic incentive for discriminating against fellow Irish nationals. And 33,000 millionaire Irish households are probably more patriotic to the Caymen Islands than to their purely nominal nationality of convenience. If Irish workers worked as cheaply as foreign workers do in their own countries, there would be zero unemployment, giving a lie to the ideology mythology of political independence.
Smyrnian | Oct 19, 2012, 06:17 AM EDT
WKnee - I think you misunderstood what I said. We are saying the exact same thing; semantics. Yes, as I have every reason to know well, Ireland has indeed seen wave after wave of emigration. What I was trying to say (apologies for my lack of clarity) is that the depth of this emigration is a new experience for the current generation in terms of what they had been expecting.
IrelandNorth | Oct 19, 2012, 05:57 AM EDT
The population of Ireland (26 county proto-republic of) is c 4.5m. The population of Ireland (6 county neo province of) is c 1.5m. Ergo, the population of the country overall is c6m. Unemployment rate in former is 15%, and in latter 8%, average 11%. There's a direct corrlation between emigration and immigration on employment prospects. The real question is, why does the Irish government allow unelected Eurocrats to dic[k]tate domestic policy, short of having being economically compromised into doing so by a previous administration of the same or similar socioeconomic class. Why does a state with 15% unemployment permit a 20% immigration rate, which should only be 5% consequently. Why does a state with 40% income (and 12% corporation) tax rates perpetuate such inequity. And why does a state with 33,000 millionaire households not make it mandatory for them to invest in Ireland and the Irish. A steady brain drain leaves a country socio-economically lobotomised, even if a useful safety outlet for possible revolutionary sentiment to the political caste. Some day, the Irish diaspora will return to take back the country that was rightfully theirs. As someone who never emigrated, I await such advent with positive expectancy.
WoundedKnee | Oct 19, 2012, 03:23 AM EDT
"There is nothing new here except the newness to the current generation." That's quite wrong, Smyrnian. Ireland has seen many waves of emigration. But what is absolutely new and unprecedented about the current one is the fact that it is accompanied by a wave of IMmigration. Such a thing has never happened before, and poses profound questions for the future of Irish identity, ethnicity and nationality.
WoundedKnee | Oct 19, 2012, 02:40 AM EDT
Greensod--"folks from other Countries who become citizens of Ireland will get the job done". So Irish people are less competent that foreigners? Gee, thanks for that bit of racism. The immigrants from Pakistan, Philippines, India, Poland Nigeria etc. are gong to build a wonderful new Ireland? Really? How come the countries they left behind them are such dumps?
Renelda M. | Oct 19, 2012, 12:31 AM EDT
John Spain explains (writes) with journalistic panache. I read just yesterday about the high suicide rate among young Irish emigre in The USA. Life here is nothing but awful in terms of foreign employment. And, as they should be, the undocumented are treated with hostility. By that very act these folks are showing a lack of respect for American laws. These young Irish are finding sadly that the streets of America are not paved with gold, but with tampled on resumes and cv's. I know the problem but I do not know the solution. Now let us pray.
seamus60 | Oct 18, 2012, 08:19 PM EDT
Greensod. Please give us a break from myths like Gerry Adams and Martin Mc Guinness will preserve anywhere or anything. Gerry left W,Belfast worse than he found it after 20 years of his great service. Mc Guinness has just rolled over and allowed the brits to impose a welfare reform bill on the most vunerable people of the North. The sick, disabled, mentally ill etc are all in the firing line. Gerry condemns others in the South for what his own party will apply in the North. Its called Ruling by Fooling.
Seanmor | Oct 18, 2012, 06:08 PM EDT
Dejae makes some good points. Among the homeless people are an estimated 200,000 veterans who honorably served in the nation's defense forces. If Dejjae's husband happens to be a veteran, he may be entitled to health care at V.A. hospitals (as I am but hadn't known about it for many years). The present generation of young people in all of Ireland who wish to legally immigrate to the U.S. have at least as much, if not more, to contribute to America as those of my age group and countless prior generation. Few, if any, among these would-be immigrations would seek subsidized housing, food stamps or clothing allowences at U.S. taxpayer expense. They all speak good English are are willing to work and pay their fair share of taxes.
Dejae61 | Oct 18, 2012, 04:04 PM EDT
I understand people wanting to leave Ireland for jobs or even a better future, but here in America, it's NOT any better. We have high food prices, high gas prices....the cost of living is out of this world. People are moving around the United States just to try to find a more inexpensive place to live, but in reality, there really isn't one. I moved from California to Texas because I couldn't afford to live in California any more....Texas is a little better, but won't be for very long. The more buildings and the more people, the more expensive it gets, and that's not just here, it's all over the United States. Health Insurance, my husband and I don't have any because we can't afford it. It may seem like it's better here, but it's not. People who live in Ireland or even some parts of Europe, you live in a very exciting, vibrant, gorgeous country. Don't give that up because you think it will be better to emigrate some where else. It's bad all over, and we have a President who claims he will change things....he's been in office for 4 yrs. now and has only made things worse. I can't tell anyone what to do with their lives or what to do for their children's future, but they won't have much of a future here. There's more violence, drugs, gangs, homeless people.....is that what you want for your children. Schools are extremely over crowded....children won't get the attention they need, want or deserve in schools here. Don't leave what you think is bad there just to go some where else that is not any better. Do a lot of research. Check out the different areas you may want to live, and make sure that your family will be happy there.
cillowen | Oct 18, 2012, 03:16 PM EDT
had Gerry gotten the support from southies he might have put an end to the bleeding to death on those slices of land that is now UKers for good. They can fugget about Rockall as well.
greensod | Oct 18, 2012, 01:02 PM EDT
We have all seen this movie before and we will continue to see it,until the people of Ireland wake up and kick the Free Starters out of Government.I see a slight glimmer of hope, in that folks from other Countries who become citizens of Ireland will get the job done, where the Irish have failed for 80 years.Only problem with this is, Ireland will no longer exist as the Nation envisioned by the real Irish.Gerry Adams and Martin McGUinness may be able to preserve the 6 Counties, as for the Republic the Free Starters have sold it down the drain along with their souls.
Smyrnian | Oct 18, 2012, 12:30 PM EDT
J. Spain acts like this is shockingly new. Those of us who had to leave for lack of jobs or opportunities (econmic refugees) from the 1950's and 1960's are still out there. I came from a family of 11 and 9 of us left permanently, never to return. There is nothing new here except the newness to the current generation. That makes it no less sad and regrettable. A real shame. Another sad and well known fact, yet to be realised by the those leaving, once you are gone a while you will not be welcome back in the fold; you will be looked at differently and treated differently and not necessarily in a good way either.
kelauggie1 | Oct 18, 2012, 11:43 AM EDT
Don't emigrate to the US - we have no jobs here, either. Thanks, Democrats.
Searlit | Oct 18, 2012, 11:38 AM EDT
I aree with everything John Spain has written, in this article, except for the unnecessary attack on the Irish language.
Portia777 | Oct 18, 2012, 10:40 AM EDT
we took 6 businesses out of Ireland some years ago- due to racial and religious discrimination. Not to worry, Ireland has a new business- children and fostering- non nationals and disabled especially wanted for assimilation purposes- in their best interests of course- Hitler's slogan. So we know where we are heading.
BrianO | Oct 18, 2012, 10:04 AM EDT
Just got off the phone with a friend who manufactures product in ireland for both domestic and international markets. He couldn't spend much time as he was again having to deal with the taxing organizations and prepare for his third audit, the other two had already proven that he was fully compliant, He's ready to take his company lock stock and barrel and reopen in the states, just sick of the hassle.
CelticQueenUSA | Oct 18, 2012, 09:46 AM EDT
f the Irish don't stand up for themselves they will have nothing. STAY HOME and GET OFF DOLE. The operative word is WORK at anything, not just some cushy job. YOU will destroy Ireland all by yourselves. Get out the jerks in politics by getting in their yourselves. YOU are Ireland's FUTURE.
butlerreport | Oct 18, 2012, 08:54 AM EDT
This is no longer acceptable. How hard is it for a country with 4m people and a 12% corporate tax rate to provide full employment? That we can't reflects the gobsh*tes that we re-elect to political office. And now they plan to beg from these same emigrants next year. Ireland has no shame.