Catholics should oppose ban on Muslim veils
By: Megan Finnegan | Published Friday, December 21, 2012, 3:23 PM | Updated Friday, December 21, 2012, 3:23 PM
The French Parliament has approved
a ban on face veils in public, in what proponents say is an effort to keep the state secular and detractors say is a grievous affront to religious freedom. The measure still needs to pass the French Senate to become law, but with little open opposition in France, at least from politicians, it is likely to be ratified. The law would fine women for wearing a niqab or a burqa, which both conceal parts of the face, and could heavily fine or jail men who force female relatives to wear such coverings. Other European countries are considering similar bans.
According to the AP, the language of the bill tries to paint it in broad, non-religious strokes, claiming that it applies to everyone, while making exceptions for almost every other instance one can imagine for a woman to cover her face in public, like wearing a motorcycle helmet or costume. No one has to say that it's aimed at Muslims.

The debate over whether or not wearing a burqa is oppressive to woman will never end, and I tend to agree with the camp that places forced covering in a negative light. It always goes back to the tiresome reasoning propagated by chauvinistic men that women are responsible for keeping their hot bodies under wraps because men can't control themselves, and if you're sexually assaulted in the market, it's probably because your cheekbone was exposed and you have only yourself to blame. It's the "short skirt = asking for rape" argument that is so ugly and logically flawed I won't even bother going into it.
At the same time, the reasons women wear burqas and other coverings are complex, and I don't pretend to know all of the arguments. It's also the case that some things are wrong (forcing your wife to wear something she doesn't want to wear, lying, verbal abuse, cutting in line) but not able to be legislated in a free country (although people who cut in line should be scolded severely by the nearest grandmother, in public).
While this raises a whole host of issues (including:
Is the burqa making Muslim women fat?), the one I'm most concerned about is the fact that so many people think it's okay for their government to dictate what people can and cannot wear. France claims to have a secular government, but they're not banning yarmulkes or crucifixes. True, these religious symbols don't have the same effect on those outsiders who view the wearers, but they're still symbols of a particular religion.
Islam is not the only religion that, when practiced in its orthodoxy, encourages and sometimes requires extreme modesty of its women. Hello, nun habits? Parents force their children to wear Catholic school uniforms. Conservative Christians wear long skirts and even higher necklines. Orthodox Jewish women don't show any skin aside from the ankles, wrists and neck, no matter the weather. Not all Muslim women wear a full burqa; they wear variations of head coverings dictated by their particular sect of Islam and their regional and cultural heritage. So we can point them out and decry the practice as barbaric, but you know what they say about those who throw stones.
The slippery slope is real, folks. Civil liberties erode and will eventually crumble if they are not upheld forcefully. It's not overreacting or being paranoid or leftist to believe this. If France does it,
so might Spain and Belgium. If the European Union does it, so might the United States. And if the U.S. decides that burqas are oppressive, and that we as a country ought to tell women they can't be worn, we will have crossed the already too-blurry line that separates church and state.
In a free country like France, women can choose to practice Islam or not. For some, wearing the burqa is an integral part of their religion. I personally don't agree with that philosophy. No one in the French Parliament has to, either. But banning face coverings isn't going to change an oppressive culture, it's only going to engender even more hatred from radicals who see the West as the enemy, and make life harder for Muslim women.
The Vatican
has opposed this kind of ban, for the somewhat self-serving but still valid reason that if majority Christian countries don't respect Muslim minorities' right to practice their religion, Christians in majority Muslim countries could see their own rights taken away. Catholics as individuals are not always so open-minded, but in this case, I'd urge us all - Catholic or not - to side with the Pope on this one. Our right to practice Catholicism - not right now, perhaps not for several generations, but surely some day - will depend on it.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.maloney | Sep 07, 2010, 10:58 PM EDT
Kill em all & let allah sort em out.
MAGHNUS | Aug 17, 2010, 06:57 AM EDT
muhammed ali was a child molester, and thankfully, he's DEAD....so much for being a muslim prophet.
MAGHNUS | Aug 17, 2010, 06:56 AM EDT
"women are responsible for keeping their hot bodies under wraps because men can't control themselves" or is it because all muslims are child molesters and rapists, having no respect for women and children.....hmmmm.
michaelcollins | Jul 27, 2010, 11:57 AM EDT
religion is the problem full stop....there is no god...when are peole gonna wake up....do you believe in santa and zombies too....god was made up by the human mind we made it up folks
Monsoonman | Jul 18, 2010, 01:18 AM EDT
They can only ride 2 abreast through the ancient streets of Hebron Lad, but they never use motorized transportation between sundown Friday to sunset Saturday. When they reach the wailing wall, they dismount and become stereotypical Hassidics.
seanomelbourne | Jul 17, 2010, 11:51 PM EDT
I'd like to see that. Where are they going to get a street wide enough. What would they do when they reach the wailing wall,Cheers Monsoonman.
Monsoonman | Jul 17, 2010, 08:35 PM EDT
and furthermore Dennis, there is nothing so awe inspiring than watching a gang of Hassidic Jews on their Yamahas roaring down the street, black hats pulled down tight and their locks flowing behind on the wind....the sight and sound is indescribable.
Monsoonman | Jul 17, 2010, 08:27 PM EDT
I think the French are missing the boat here. Talk about fashion revolution marketing opportunities x billions. The french have done it before with Coco Chanel and her little black dress...How about Francoise Mohammed coming up with a little black burkha that will meet the new strict standards set by the french.
DennisQ | Jul 17, 2010, 08:52 AM EDT
There are lots of people who don't think women should wear high-heeled shoes - which damage women's feet and lessen their mobility. High-heeled shoes are also reminiscent of foot-binding, which actually crippled its victims. Would the French support a law making high-heeled shoes illegal? The difference here is bigotry, not concern for the women. It's surprising that French women aren't resisting the burqa law's implicit claim that the legislature has standing to regulate fashion. Has Simone deBeauvoir been forgotten?
DennisQ | Jul 16, 2010, 10:43 PM EDT
Today's Comment of the Day award goes to Monsoonman for his observation that Jews proclaim their faith with their "black hats and their yamahas." Are you talking about keyboards or motorcycles, M-Man? You ain't seen nothin' till you've seen a Jew on a Harley! Awesome.
Watereskhill | Jul 16, 2010, 08:30 PM EDT
The modern world is fraught will subtle danger and disguise. Using Religious and devotional attire. Drug cartels in South America and Asia successfully shipped heroin and other narcotics duct-taped to women travelling in pairs dressed as Catholic nuns. Whom no-one would suspect let alone submit a nun's habit or veil to being searched at an airport. But for a furtive glance noticing a manicure and nail polish (nuns don't indulge in vanities)--a vast net-work was uncovered. There are realities with the burka and other Muslim veils beyond a religious symbol. Male terrorists have moved effortlessy from one locale to the next in Iraq under this devotional tent. In this instance Megan does not have my 'Catholic' vote. I've been to Paris, Villefrance and Monte Carlo. Albeit on a shoestring over the years. The French do not subscribe to veils unless they are on the runway on models at Fashion Week heralded a 'must have'. I support the ban. There's more to several yards of cloth than meets the eye.
seanomelbourne | Jul 16, 2010, 08:20 PM EDT
IandP I believe you are posting here just to demonise anyone who are anti zionist. Notice I say "anti zionist" and not anti Jewish,it gives you the opportunity to do some Muslim bashing.
seanomelbourne | Jul 16, 2010, 08:13 PM EDT
Roseofengland as an atheist I object to your bigotry. Firstly atheist do not prevent you from practicing your religion.Secondly how magnanimous of you to "allow" Muslim women to wear veils but not the burqa. Are you hiding behind some sort of prejudice and trying sooo! hard to sound so fair.
roseofengland | Jul 16, 2010, 12:39 PM EDT
What a lot of angry, racist,illogical, ill-informed and downright juvenile comments on this site. The question posed is "should Catholics oppose the ban on Muslim veils"? As a devout Catholic I always listen to the views of the church but also as an adult I can think for myself. The suggestion that this might be the thin edge of the wedge is valid and if other signs and symbols of religious adherence are banned then so might mine be. As it happens the most vulnerable faith in the UK at present is the Christian one which is under threat not so much by other faiths as by secularists and atheists. So it's true we are at risk. But the wearing of crucifixes, long skirts etc as an adherence to individual faith does not pose a threat to anyone else. The wearing of various forms of scarves by Muslim women are just as innocuous and acceptable. The difference comes with the burqua - firstly it does restrict the vision of a woman, leading to risk to others and also reduces the ability of other women to recognise the gender of the wearer. My main concern is that I would feel unsure and possibly threatened by a fully shrouded figure, particularly in public lavatories. So one person's freedom to wear what she likes is balanced against another person's freedom to be free from fear. In today's sad and violent world we are all restricted by the threat of violence and are expected to prove our identity constantly. I see no reason why any section of the community, whatever their faith or nationality, should be exempt from this.
ritmomente | Jul 16, 2010, 11:24 AM EDT
Who can drive a car with a burqa on? Is anyone out there a bank teller? Would you give money to someone who's face you cannot see?
biggles007 | Jul 16, 2010, 09:21 AM EDT
If they don't like the Burqa in a country, don't wear one or go home
SingleDonald | Jul 16, 2010, 07:50 AM EDT
I must disagree with both Megan & Pope Benedict. The proposed French law would lead to the "liberation" of Muslim women living in France. Now, I have long been an opponent of the modern "woman's liberation/feminist" movement, but concede that Muslim women badly need such liberation. I recently saw, in a news documentary, how a brother in a Muslim country killed his sister. He did so, after she was brutally raped!! He did go to jail, but was released 6 months later! I especially like the part of the proposed law which calls for sanctions against male relatives who force their women to cover up. Let those oppressors also be accountable! I am wired like all other straight guys, and can appreciate a girl in a mini skirt, without going into "attack mode"! It's time Muslim men stop blaming their women for every little display of healthy sexuality, and also take responsibility for their own self control!
EvelynDavey | Jul 15, 2010, 11:18 PM EDT
As an American, I have to say they must have the freedom to wear what they want, but as a human who knows from a grandson who served in Iraq & Afghanistan, when I come across someone in a store wearing ghe burqua I move far away. He brought me back a burqua and I wore it once to see what it felt like. I say very clearly, no one in their right mind would voluntarily wear something like that. So, let them wear it, but don't for a second believe they do so willingly.
IrishAndProud | Jul 15, 2010, 08:51 PM EDT
I have nothing in common with Muslims OR Xtians, Sean, since I'm neither of those. Do I understand you correctly, that you're equating Xtian missionaries who peacefully preach their faith (and who are not in fact even allowed to do so openly in most Muslim nations...they're not even allowed to set FOOT in Mecca), with extremist Muslims who vow death to the infidel who does not convert to their faith...on European soil, no less? What Xtians today are going around committing jihad in the name of their faith, and threatening so, whilst standing and living in countries that they're not from...and cutting peoples' heads off slowly with knives, or stoning women for adultery, or recruiting teens and mentally challenged youth to be suicide bombers, and vowing death to Israel and world conquest, to boot? What Buddhists or Hindus, for that matter, are doing that? Equating Xtians or any other faith with Islam on this matter is a joke. Islam is the world's fastest-growing and hands-down most aggressive religion, and Xtianity is slowly but surely dying and retreating, and is not spreading itself by violence, or threatening violence, or planting unassimilated, foreign communities (toward exactly that end) in lands it's not even from...anywhere on earth.
seanomelbourne | Jul 15, 2010, 07:39 PM EDT
No one is telling you what faith you must follow IandP.I am reminded of christian missionaries who enter other countries (including Muslim countries) and telling them to accept Christianity and lo! and behold! some Muslims reject this interference to their faith. So! IandP what do you think you have in common with those Muslims?
krisdaly | Jul 15, 2010, 06:46 PM EDT
Our Creator did not make us to be covered from head to toe! Obviously Adam and Eve would wear nothing until Satan tempted them to go against their Creator! Out of shame they hid from their Creator! Islam is the religion of the Son of Perdition!!!!!!!!
IrishAndProud | Jul 15, 2010, 05:49 PM EDT
sean wrote: "It's none of our business when they want to wear it. You right wing middle of the road fas-cists like to pick the freedom of choice's that you approve of. You certainly crawl out of the woodwork when the word Muslim or Arab enters the conversation." **** Just as it's no MUSLIM'S business telling my western culture that I must accept a faith that has destroying western culture as its goal. No free society can tolerate just anything and everything, othewise that will include things that will destroy it. A wee bit counterproductive, wouldn't you say? I might add (using your very own approach): It's none of our business if Jews want to build apartment buildings in their own ancient city.
peterson | Jul 15, 2010, 01:59 PM EDT
What if a terrorist dresses like a woman incl. a burka, blows himself up, killing hundreds attending a public event ??
Monsoonman | Jul 15, 2010, 10:56 AM EDT
If our religion becomes the dominant one of society, you can bet those that are not members and do not practice our idealoogy of wearing their ski masks in public will be ostracized, ridiculed and kept out of management positions.
Monsoonman | Jul 15, 2010, 10:47 AM EDT
Here will be the recitations of the new religious order: "Not to go on all-Fours that is the Law . Are we not Men ? Not to eat Flesh or Fish that is the Law . Are we not Men ? Not to claw Bark of Trees that is the Law . Are we not Men ? Not to chase other Men that is the Law . Are we not Men. This will be the mantra of the beast men and we will obey the law sincerely, but sometimes certain events will make it difficult to do so . We will constantly strive to attain this archetype. Thus if we make mistakes we will feel immensely guilty . Have I covered all the bases: wear symbolic clothing, repeat mantras and feel guilty.
Monsoonman | Jul 15, 2010, 10:32 AM EDT
In almost all cases I would say "who cares" when it comes to religious observances by those who wish to show the rest of the world, "see how holy I am?" The Quakers used to do it, the Jews still do it with their black hats, yamahas,and dreads. The catholics do it with the ash on the forehead and there are plenty of other, in my opinion, silly observances. The only objection i have to the burkhas is that you can't identify who is under it. I will invent a new religion that requires all members to wear ski masks while they are out in public, we will call my religion the new "Inspirational Reciters Association." We'll see how well I am received, the next time I walk into a bank to make a withdrawal.
seanomelbourne | Jul 15, 2010, 08:41 AM EDT
It's none of our business when they want to wear it. You right wing middle of the road fas-cists like to pick the freedom of choice's that you approve of. You certainly crawl out of the woodwork when the word Muslim or Arab enters the conversation.
lynchsteele | Jul 15, 2010, 08:19 AM EDT
In recent years, the Vatican hasn't been the Guiding Light, abusive priests, nuns, monetary theft. These muslims are dog doo animals, they've even stooped to their"men" using veils to perpetrate Heinous killing by posing as dog doo women. Yeah you turn your cheek....not me, I'm no fool!!!!
GeorgeDillon | Jul 15, 2010, 06:59 AM EDT
seanmelbourne: ".It's not that long ago when christian women had to wear a hat or veil for religious services but I suppose that's ok". That's a really inane analogy. No one is objecting to Muslim women covering themselves in a tent inside the mosque, or frolicking naked if that's what they want. What is offensive is when they go out into society and skulk in their tents. Very disappointing that you should make such a monumental logical faux pas in conflating the two cases.
seanomelbourne | Jul 15, 2010, 04:32 AM EDT
I have no interest in debating half-baked ridiculous ideas that have no factual base.
IrishAndProud | Jul 15, 2010, 03:14 AM EDT
Besides, rambling...if Muslims ever become the majority in any western nation (which simple math says they WILL, at some point), what's to stop them from implementing anything they want, at that point?
IrishAndProud | Jul 15, 2010, 03:12 AM EDT
Rambling, it's ALREADY HAPPENED. Two years ago, the HIGHEST JUDGE IN ENGLAND (Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips) said that it's OKAY for sharia law to be enforced, in a portion of ENGLAND, itself -- oh, among MUSLIMS, of course. He said, and I quote: 'Those entering into a contractual agreement can agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law.' So, it's already happening. Not to mention that these radical Muslims DO...NOT...ASSIMILATE in any way to the alien western cultures they now live in (some have lived there for decades and still do not speak English), while of course demanding that the culture conform to THEM in every way.
JerryLynch | Jul 15, 2010, 01:03 AM EDT
When westerners go to Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries, women have to cover themselves, can't go out in public alone and can't drive. We have to abide by their laws and cultures when we live there so what's wrong with their and others having to abide with our laws, morays and folkways. Also, isn't the driving force of this requirement based upon security concerns that were overwhelmingly caused by the radical followers of their "religion of peace?" They have the option of following the laws of the country that they're living in, or going to a country that has laws that are more in keeping with their beliefs? I see nothing wrong with that philosophy...
ramblingrover4 | Jul 15, 2010, 12:49 AM EDT
We all ascribe to certain standards dictated by religion or tradition or otherwise. If I choose to wear a suit even in informal occasions to maintain an air of proffesionalism and sophistication the government should not tell me I can't. Obviously I opposea women being forced to wear these face coverings but if she does so out of her own free will as a display of her devotion to her religion thats her perogative. As to Muslims forcing their religion on others, lets be realistic. You cannot seriously look at the make-up of any western nation, and specifically their legislatures, and fear that Sharia law is going to ever be instituted here.
IrishAndProud | Jul 15, 2010, 12:05 AM EDT
But the Xtians are not going around insisting that every woman, everywhere dress that way, whilst trying to force their religion on non-Xtian societies. These extremist Muslims ARE, and have even stated their goal openly and repeatedly. Their numbers are only growing as they take advantage of western passivity and/or western permissiveness...even as they use such freedom to grow to the place where they can abolish it.
seanomelbourne | Jul 14, 2010, 10:34 PM EDT
It may be a feminist issue for you but not necessarily for Muslim women. If you travel in some Arabic countries the Burqa is worn only by a minority of the population. It is a cultural and religious issue for those around the world who wish to observe their beliefs. Neither should any women be forced to wear the Burqa.It's not that long ago when christian women had to wear a hat or veil for religious services but I suppose that's ok. Maybe if people would ponder less on their fears and bigotry we would have a better society.
hollabackgurl | Jul 14, 2010, 09:46 PM EDT
It's not just a religious issue, it's a feminist issue, and a cultural issue, and an intercultural issue. In the Middle East women are expected to wear a head scarf in most nations. It's a form of social, religious and sexual control and male dominance. We encourage all western visitors to observe it whilst they're there. We can expect the same respect to be paid to the values and traditions of France.
IrishAndProud | Jul 14, 2010, 09:18 PM EDT
See what I mean? If you oppose extremist Islamist expansion, you're labeled a 'racist bigot.' Exactly as the Islamists want. Like those who use such words, they hope it shames their opposition into silence, so that they can keep right on expanding, uninhibited.
TexasGal | Jul 14, 2010, 08:56 PM EDT
The burqa is bondage for a woman and it give power over the woman to the men. Its not being a racist bigots to oppose the Muslin ways. The Muslims will cut off you head or stone you so why would anybody take up for that standard of belief. Shirea-law no thank you the Muslims think we all should live by it. I will live by the Constitution of the US and our Bill of Rights and vote out the Muslim in the Whitehouse
LoveDoolin | Jul 14, 2010, 08:02 PM EDT
The French are finally doing something right! Hopefully, the rest of Europe will follow suit.
seanomelbourne | Jul 14, 2010, 07:54 PM EDT
Women who want to wear the burqa should be allowed to do so. The mass hysteria from the religious bigots is disappointing to say the least. How is it possible to have a common sense debate with racist bigots.
IrishAndProud | Jul 14, 2010, 07:38 PM EDT
Better yet, let's oppose the ban on headscarves after Muslim nations begin allowing Irish communities to sprout in THEIR nations, with the accompanying demands for CATHOLIC laws to be recognized by ISLAMIC courts. Of course, this is a not-so-futuristic description of Ireland itself, if the current course of allowing alien Muslims (redundancy) to settle there doesn't change.
IrishAndProud | Jul 14, 2010, 07:12 PM EDT
Maybe Catholics should oppose any muslim headscarf ban when the Muslims oppose any ban on Christians in Mecca...and/or renounce Islam's goal and dream of world conquest (the seeds of which are already in Ireland -- by that nation stupidly allowing Muslims to take root there, at all).
christywalsh | Jul 14, 2010, 06:56 PM EDT
Insert into sentence below: "for one hour," "fifty year old men can get married to a 12 year old girl for one hour"
christywalsh | Jul 14, 2010, 06:51 PM EDT
Catholics should what?? It is not so long ago when an irish woman could not be seen out without a head scarf, now even nuns can enjoy some cool air about their heads. Is Megan Finnegan advocating that catholic women should be made to revert back to those oppressive and ungodly moral burdens, if Muslim women can then there are still the fanatics within christainity who would call for equality? Further, as a man I find it insulting that women are forced, coerced, shamed...etc, into enduring these practices because if I see a woman's nose I may loose all self control? Nonsense! Though I would stress that I reject the islamic religion not the people. Sorry, but there are so many things where Islam is uncompatible with our human rights standards --femal genital mutilations, supremacy of men over women, even the fact that a fifty year old men can get married to a 12 year old girl is just appalling, and it is what it is.
WoundedKnee | Jul 14, 2010, 06:35 PM EDT
"Banning the burqa is not a good move." I agree totally. Let the women wear it at home with their husbands, lovers etc all night long. But they must stay in their houses--don't inflict their ugly stupid "habits" on the rest of us! One simple way to get rid of it would be for the authorities in Ireland to say that no woman hiding herself in a shroud should be allowed to collect welfare or child benefit at the Post Office. Bet you'd see 'em dropping their veils quck time!
manhattan | Jul 14, 2010, 06:10 PM EDT
Oy Vey, between Finnigan and Keane I will skip the column sections because those two give me a migraine.
PhlutiePhan | Jul 14, 2010, 05:43 PM EDT
I would say that Ms. Finnegan who is "wide awake" has an inflated view of the Muslim religion. There is quite a debate over religion versus "cult". The French national soccer team had quite a bit of a problem at the World Cup with its Muslim starting players. The law of Shariah does not believe in equality. It believes in biding its time until it can take control. This is an "oil and water" difficulty and the French government is in a "world of hurt" at just the moment when the Catholic religion is deteriorating and nuns are burning their bras at the same rate as Ms. Finnegan. I would ask Ms. Finnegan just how "naked" a woman can be in society before it is no longer "just a male issue and problem".
hello123 | Jul 14, 2010, 05:38 PM EDT
Banning the burqa is not a good move. Just because we in the West do not appear to like it, for whatever reason, does not mean we should ban it. This will take us down a slippery slope.
rcrdskpr@aol.com | Jul 14, 2010, 04:10 PM EDT
an issue not addressed is safety and security. women driving with veils and or full burquas are at a problem in as much as their vision and full control of the vehicle is impaired. if stopped what does their license show as photo id? a pair of eyes looking back? could be anybody----male or female. wasnt there just an incident where a male dressed in a burqua and blew himself up? maybe he was really a trannie! as far as i know, modern rc nuns are not required to wear full habits anymore. most opt for conservative modern dress. if muslims want sharia law, go home. if they want veils and burqas, do it in your home or mosque. to me there is a fine line between covering your face for religious purposes and those of illegal activity.
snuffey | Jul 14, 2010, 03:23 PM EDT
We should have the same Ban on veils here in the states.
Nelsonbarry | Jul 14, 2010, 03:14 PM EDT
If a woman goes to thier country they have to abide by thier rules. So If they want to stay in France they should abide by France's rules. If they don't like the rules, go home, back to your own country. Why do people feel everyone should change to satisfy them. France didn't force them to come there. I can understand the concern. You have no idea who's hidden under those burqa's. Good Luck to France, hope the law passes.
AmAncINED | Jul 14, 2010, 02:02 PM EDT
If men had to wear those veils, the practice would've been disbanded centuries ago. Oh, that's right. It was started by a man - imagine that. Just how accomodating and tolerant would Muslims be if I moved to a Muslim country and wore a cross or crucifix in public, celebrated Christian holidays, and refused to wear a veil over my head and/or face???? I would expect I'd have to adapt to Muslim customs and culture. When Muslims move to non-Muslim countries, they want to live just like they did in their country of origin and they expect non-Muslims to be accomodate them. I say, when in Rome.... If you're uncomfortable in a non-Muslim country, move back home.
PaulaMarie | Jul 14, 2010, 01:25 PM EDT
Altho' you make some good points like the Catholic nuns habits, you have taken your side of the argument TOO FAR! Nuns don't cover their faces. With terrorism and crime, and also security cameras, everywhere; there is nothing wrong with a government requiring that people keep their faces uncovered. Otherwise, a terrorist or criminal could dress up in a burqa and the security cameras nearby would not be able to reveal anything about who committed the crime! In addition, France has a problem of being over immigrated by Muslims and enforcing the ban would slow down that immigration. Not to say Muslims shouldn't be allowed to immigrate, but only those willing to adopt the customs of that country.
Emeraldeyes | Jul 14, 2010, 01:24 PM EDT
I dont think religion has so much to do with it as much as our perception of someone who is veiled. We immediately dont trust them because, Yes the terrorists always cover their faces and its intimidating not to be able to see a persons facial expressions when you speak with them in person. Wear a head scarf which is what most modern muslims do here is the States but ban the burkas
patrick1945 | Jul 14, 2010, 12:48 PM EDT
These veils keep woman in the 7th century. They were imposed by men. Also remember terrorist cover their faces in the same way. Big Question. Can Christian practice there beliefs in Islam countries? Muslims should adopt French way, not France adopt Muslim ways. Muslims chose to move to France.
Southernpride | Jul 14, 2010, 12:30 PM EDT
Megan in on planet 'Irish central' She's kind of way out there
luckodeirish | Jul 14, 2010, 12:26 PM EDT
I thought this was a fair and balanced view actually and good arguments put forth. All religions as Megan says can take their practices to extremes but banning one style of face covering (and thus alienating one religion)does not do anything to improve things. Plus if this goes through - who's to say next thing they won't enact a ban on miniskirts for some other reason? People should be free to wear what they like (whether we approve or not) and really when it comes defeating Islamic terrorism, this is not where our focus should be.
Cherishfan | Jul 14, 2010, 11:13 AM EDT
Today while we need to be watchful because of terrorists, all facial coverings (not head coverings) worn daily in public on both women and men should be banned as a matter of security rather than for a matter of religion. I have not seen anyone walking around with a helmet or mask all day every day or I would have been wary of them.
joeustace | Jul 14, 2010, 10:47 AM EDT
That's the slippery slope argument, well stated. To the contrary is hte line drawing argument: we must (or can)draw the line somewhere. Could a man walk a woman around with a chain around her neck, on religious grounds? What extent of control (captivity) should be tolerated? There are practical reasons this particular dress causes problems in a secular society. Here in Fla. neither Muslims (nor anyone else) are allowed to wear a veil when being photographed for a drivers license.
CitizenWhy | Jul 14, 2010, 10:36 AM EDT
Catholics "should" think independently on this and other issues. Small religious items (crosses, stars of David, crescents, etc. are not banned). Crucifixes are, and have long been. One could write that Catholics "should" support the ban as necessary to assure women's equality.
pat52rk | Jul 14, 2010, 10:20 AM EDT
megan finnigan, what planet are you on ? or what are you smoking ? maybe you should go and live in saudi arabia for a while .
MotherIrish | Jul 14, 2010, 10:14 AM EDT
Muslim's view women as property. Ban the face mask veil. Men can beat up on the women and the veil hides it. This is really not about religion but really about control.
bronxjames | Jul 14, 2010, 09:01 AM EDT
Why would i oppose it? Wearing these veils prevents law enforcement from getting a correct ID of a person "IF" they were to commit a crime. There are some towns that it is illegal to wear any kind of a mask.
TrueCelt11 | Jul 14, 2010, 08:52 AM EDT
I agree completely with the previous 2 postings. Megan, perhaps you should try going to live in Iran, Saudi Arabia or the Sudan etc etc for a few years - and live as a Muslim woman has to live. Trendy liberals in the West repeat the same old tripe in their columns but the truth is they wouldnt be allowed to comment at all in Islamic countries. As for the situation of Christians & others of different faiths in countries where Islam is the dominant religion (or even in many countries where it is not, but the Muslims aspire to be dominant), non-Muslims are being raped, tortured & murdered for the sole reason that they do not follow the Islamic religion. What planet are you living on Megan - so you arent aware of the the fact that in many Muslim countries it is illegal for Christians to worship & that conversion to Christianity or to any religion other than Islam is punishable by death ? The building of churches is illegal. In many Islamic countries churches, cathedrals & Christian schools are REGULARLY targetted by bombers or set on fire by Muslim mobs e.g in Pakistan, Indonesia, Sudan, Nigeria, Somalia, the Philippines etc etc (As well of course, now, in Iraq) Even in countries such as Egypt and Turkey Christians who have lived there for generations are facing increased persecution. However, here in Europe, at the moment at least, I think that the major threat to the right to practice Christianity comes from trendy liberal columnists working for the likes of 'Irish Central'
Ms.Gail | Jul 14, 2010, 08:49 AM EDT
What people choose to wear doesn't always appeal to me. As long as they are willing to temporarily remove covering for identity, I have no problem. That said, a muslim woman of my acquaintance said she would feel the same if in public someone asked her to remove her head cover as if someone asked her to remove her breast cover.
GeorgeDillon | Jul 14, 2010, 08:02 AM EDT
A very ignorant article--(where does IrishCentral get these columnists?). The fact is that a woman can wear anything she likes in her own house, full tent or naked as Eve. It's her own business. But once she ventures out of the house she is in a social setting and must accept social mores. It's highly offensive to see people sliding thru the streets hiding from the world. They should certainly not be admitted with such a garb to a supermarket, bus, bank etc. But I note when they go thru Immigration they whip off the veil in a flash--shows how central it is to their religion! I see the problem starting in ireland because Ireland has admitted hordes of foreign migrants. Knowing the Irish they'll be too spineless to act on this--it's always Lowest Standards Rule in the case of Ireland.
vinienco | Jul 14, 2010, 12:38 AM EDT
If the author cared to learn anything about Islamic history, this article would NEVER appear. Historical fact, and backed by verses from both the Koran and Hadith. The so called prophet made his wives and various captured war booty or sex salves cover up in fits of jealous rage. Today a whole lot of Muslim women cover up for this misogynist. Shame on this author, perhaps getting women barefoot and back in the kitchen would suit her also !! On this one , call it Finnegan asleep and oblivious.