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What’s the point of a United Ireland? - Martin McGuinness' presidential campaign raises questions

Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2011 at 06:50 AM

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Martin McGuinness
Last week’s column on Martin McGuinness has, to say the least, prompted a great deal of debate. While a lot of it was regarding the rights or wrongs of the circumstances of McGuinness and by extension Republicanism in general, some involved the nature and rationale of the conflict itself. But really, what possible reason could there be for a united Ireland?

There are certainly no logical reasons for such a move. In a lot of cases, it seems to me, the desire to unite Ireland comes from a deep-seated case of geographical obsessive compulsion: Ireland is an island, that stands alone on the north Atlantic, and having another country administering a small part of it is just plain messy. The anti-partition school of thought in favor of a United Ireland is related to this, in as much as they claim every political problem from social inequality to the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa could be solved by scrubbing the border.

And then there’s the good old irredentists, the ones who maintain the Brits are occupying the six counties and that Ireland is for the Irish, whatever the hell that means. None of these have any real life application. I’ve lived on the border basically all my life and I don’t understand the fervency towards what is and has always been an infeasible pipe-dream.
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The reality is that green post boxes in Strabane will not make Strabane any happier or more prosperous a place to live in. It will not make the villages between Strabane and Derry that paint their curbs red, white and blue and brandish union flags and ensigns any more favorable to Ireland, or any less attached to Britain. It will not change the fact that whatever the nationality of the people who live in those villages, they can probably trace their family roots as far back on this island as anyone.

Besides, a lot of Donegal Catholics have Scottish planter lineage too who converted at some point along the way. They’re hardly more Irish because of that. Britain handing over the deeds to Northern Ireland would not have any positive transformative effect. Combining our forces will not create a land of milk and honey.

As the recent Life and Times survey bears out (see link above), this isn’t a niche opinion. Most people in Ireland, northern Catholics or otherwise, are much more concerned about tackling social and economic matters than eternally gazing through a national prism. Besides, Ireland has always been much more complex and interwoven than the irredentists like to imagine.

Taking Donegal as an example, we have much more tangible connection with Glasgow than we do with Cork, lovely a place as it is. It’s much easier and quicker to get to Glasgow from Letterkenny than it is to Cork too. People where I’m from who live in the Republic often do a lot of their shopping, socializing and even working across the border, the presence of which forms no impediment to traveling or interacting. In Padraig Pearse’s proclamation nearly one hundred years ago, he talked about freedom and liberty, about equal rights and opportunity, about pursuing happiness and prosperity.

As our access to the world and its different cultures becomes greater and greater, so long as we fight for those principles does it really matter what flags are flying overhead?


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Utter ignorant bullocks. Has this person ever read A HISTORY BOOK? The column is so filled with historical inaccuracies and unionist opinion camouflaged as Irish opinion that is mist be called an utter falsehood. In the 1600s the brits sent the scotch over to Ulster to murder the Catholics and steal their land. THIS IS A FACT. And it is the main reason that we Irish Patriots will unite Ireland. Writers like this can be happy as clams in Glasgow, which she seems to love so much, but she is not wanted on our Island. Unite Ireland by 2016! Brits out! Up the RA!
`A border which never made any geographical, social or economic sense ` lol clearly you have never heard of cuchulain or the Black Pigs Dyke, Queen Maeve or Dalriada then? Ulster has existed as a separate Kingdom from the rest of Ireland in various forms down the centuries and has existed as part of a Kingdom encompassing parts of Scotland at a time as well. LilPaddya says `come pick up their national flag AND TAKE IT HOME.... Keep in mind, Ireland was not "given" to England.... ` sorry but the flag is to do with Ulster Loyalists born and bred in ulster and nothing to do with England. Secondly the Pope gave Ireland to England in order to spread Catholicism a thousand years ago.
towngate: Time to give it a rest old boy, the whole Ireland should have never left the UK thing and all. No wonder why the south is such a mess. No pride in the men and women who fought and got freedom fro the place. The old Irish inferiority complex thing again and again, "ah now sure we would have been better off if we had stayed in the UK". Pathetic little country indeed.
It's the only solution that ain't been tried, Towney. Is it any more ridiculous than having our ancient nation partitioned by a foreign colonial power which consequently left one jurisdiction sapped by decades of devastating communal conflict and economic stagnation whilst the second jurisdiction is lumbering under a mountain of debt and is effectively bankrupt. We need to be of course realistic but this should not deter forward-thinking nationalists from tackling the obstacles to the reunification of our country.
When it comes to culture and heritage I think it does make a difference. As long as we live together in peace, we agree to accept people as they are. There does need to be a single set of laws for everyone. If we humans are one (on a spiritual level) that doesn't require that we become carbon copies of each other. Vive la difference!
Everyone who is whinging on about a 'United Ireland' should start to persuade those who 'dis-united' it in the first place by breaking away,to beg the remaining province to allow it to re-unite! Don't be surprised by the answer they get,though! When you are honest with yourself about how and why the south split away ~ and what it has done to itself since, add that to the chances of a reunion, and then you may begin to realise just how stupid and ridiculous the notion of Martin McGuinness - of all people - being elected President is! Dream on! " It just ain't gonna happen,folks!"
RedBranch, Let me see if I've got your grasp of economics. Border towns, you say, thrive by sucking retail business from the other side. It makes as much sense, I suppose, as believing that we can all become millionaires by selling increasingly more expensive houses to each other. If jobs are created by having a border, then let's all have one. That's it, every city, town and village in Ireland with its own international frontier and retail price differentials for petrol and diesel, groceries and everything else. Let the good times roll. Those boys in the IMF and ECB sure missed that solution.
You are way of the mark, Mr Branch, the towns and cities that you mention in the north of Ireland are not exactly thriving. Strabane and Derry still have stubbornly high unemployment rates. Derry recently has won the title "City of Culture" for an amorphous entity called the UK. There was an air of expectancy surrounding that accolade in terms of future economic development and employment prospects. But alas, the infrastructure renewal promised for the railway and road links to make the city ready for prospective employers will not be underway until at least 2014. The civil service cabal making these decisions in Belfast seem to be directing the vast quantity of the jobs towards the east of the Bann. Both economies are in a great degree of difficulty and if truth be told the north is faring little better than the south despite the IMF having to lay down conditions for an effective bail-out for the latter. The north is over-reliant on the public sector which was artificially enhanced by the demands of the security services during the troubles. Now with the impending cuts in that sector and little stimulus in the private one, things could become a little desperate. I think that it is time that forward thinkers project ahead and think about how an united Ireland could bring the whole country to it's true potential. Only then will Robert Emmet's epitaph be written
What then of the generations who were tortured and murdered for a free and united Ireland? Robert Emmitt, Padraic Pearse, Bobby Sands? I guess their dreams are no longer pragmatic enough for you. Oh well.
Well Paddy Duffy you are brave to put your head above the parapet, In fact I hope you are writing under a pseudonym as some of those irredentists may be paying you a visit in the dark of night with a pointy reckoning. I believe many of your observations to be spot on; flags however will continue to be a matter of contention for some time yet, its in the DNA. Some Points at your detractors. @sirpeter: Where did you get this unemployment info? Don't catholic men have the highest unemployment of ANY group in the Republic of Ireland? @borderboy, there is a filling station in Strabane, coming up to the bridge. Your question should be why isn't there a supermarket in Lifford. The answer lies in why Newry, Armagh, Enniskillen, Strabane, Derry/Londonderry are thriving. Thousands and thousands of private sector jobs rely on the border.
The only change there should be..... Would be to tell England to come pick up their national flag AND TAKE IT HOME.... Keep in mind, Ireland was not "given" to England.... It was "taken" by England.....
This makes about as much sense as this Norris follow runnining for President.Must be a slow news day.
I agree with Gearoid, well stated BorderBoy. Thank you.
You put the pro-united Ireland case very well, Borderboy. You explain the case in a coherent and eloquent manner.
We will have a united Ireland soon because, as the Americans say, it is 'manifest destiny'. Partition is – and has been from the start – a nonsense. A border which never made any geographical, social or economic sense is rapidly disappearing to the point where the only current notification of the Frontier is a crease in the tarmac beside roadsigns indicating speed limits in kilometres or miles and occasional bizarre warnings for motorists to 'drive on the left'! Economic necessity will fuse our political systems even further to the point where we will have common currency, tax rates, social systems and political representation. The aim of European Union is the removal of borders and anything that would restrict the free movement of people, goods and services. Resisting the re-unification of Ireland – along with increased harmonisation of this island with Britain and our other European partners, and then beyond – makes absolutely no sense and is the least feasible option open to us. Reuniting Ireland is a dawdle in comparison to going it alone in a pair of truncated, under-performing political entities.
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