Ireland needs to grow up - Queen Elizabeth's visit to Ireland
By: Paddy Duffy | Published Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 6:46 PM | Updated Tuesday, November 1, 2011, 6:46 PM
At the risk of getting a pasting, here goes: I fully welcome the Queen’s visit to Ireland in May, or whenever it is she’s coming.
You’d think in an Ireland that has done a lot of growing up in years passed this would go without saying, and for the vast majority of people it probably won’t be an issue, but already I can hear the hysterical cavalry saddling up. Within days of the announcement, I began hearing all sorts of reasons why she shouldn’t come: the expense, the worry that her coming will cause trouble, or simply because she’s the Queen. None of these pass muster.
First of all, why so hostile? When it boils down to it, the Queen is just another head of state, like Mary McAleese with a room full of jewels, visiting a neighbouring country, as heads of state are wont to do. And if the notion that the Queen is “just another head of state” horrifies you, why on earth would it? Even when the Anglo-Irish relationship was at its most fractious, the Queen’s role in the defining moments of The Troubles was negligible. It’s not as if she ordered the introduction of internment without trial, ordered people shot on Bloody Sunday or took a horrifyingly obstinate line against the hunger strikers personally. In that respect the Queen is a victim of her position: she can’t speak out against government policy no matter how much she might abhor it, as all hell would break loose otherwise. If you have a gripe with, as Gerry Adams referred to them as, “legacy issues”, then blame Margaret Thatcher, or Jim Callaghan, or Harold Wilson, or Ted Heath. Not the woman who spends her days visiting factories and youth centres and Commonwealth countries.
Let’s consider that phrase Gerry Adams used in reference to the visit, actually. “Legacy issues”. I mean, where do you start with that one? Throughout the general election campaign I was critical of the way Micheal Martin insinuated Sinn Féin still had a whiff of dodginess about them, and how it was wholly disingenuous of him to encourage Sinn Féin into power-sharing and talking about a new future in the North while simultaneously intimating they weren’t fit for office and their old past in the South. Now sadly it seems Gerry has used that same act on the Queen. Given the fact power-sharing was delayed in the North for so long by the likes of the Democratic Unionist Party because of the legacy issues they had with Sinn Féin, it was a bizarre choice of words. Nearly two years ago to the day Martin McGuinness called the dissidents who killed the soldiers at Massarene Barracks “traitors”. That was a huge leap from the dark days of “These shootings are inevitable given the actions of the British Government”, or words to that effect. Why a woman in her eighties still bothers them so much is beyond me.
And then there’s the money issue. We can’t afford visits like this, apparently. An economic situation like ours will inevitably account for an increase in utilitarian deficit hawks, but the cost of such a trip would be miniscule compared to, say, the cost of buying and then storing voting machines. Then of course, the old Wilde maxim about the difference between price and value comes into play. Within the space of twelve months, we’ll have had the first British monarch to visit the Republic of Ireland, and an unvarnished mea culpa from the British Government on Bloody Sunday. The Saville Report, incidentally, cost £200 million, a figure scorned by those on the troglodyte wing of the DUP. You can’t put a price on banishing old ghosts.
That the Queen coming would stir emotions is unsurprising, but it certainly isn’t logical. It is however a chance to show that Ireland doesn’t have to feel like a victim for the whole of its existence, that it can look at its past with acceptance and its future with hope, and that it can look its neighbour and former foe in the eye as equals. And even if the silent majority of Irish people don’t, as Ward Bond put it in The Quiet Man, “cheer like Protestants” during her visit, polite indifference would do much the same job. And if the loud minority could keep it down, the kind of people who shout “800 years ya c**t!” at an (Irish) DJ friend of mine with an English accent while he’s working, or who talk about the occupied six counties despite having never been further north than Athlone, that would be even better.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.britishnatzis | Apr 10, 2011, 09:36 AM EDT
anybody suggesting that irelands cricket team needs to welcome this pharoh needs their head looked at and is no doubt a mad unionist!!! sure pay more tax to her like the rest of the world she needs it all!!!! what about the peado protecting pope ratzi natzi to the north i bet that would get the beeb bc attention... sure just pay for your shackles why not?!
britishnatzis | Apr 10, 2011, 09:22 AM EDT
by the way all who read this we never had a so called democracy..... the central banking cartel familys always determine who wins elections, its the same in every country...democracy is an ancient greek word and actually means mob-rule,, because they are the f**king mob who rule us!!!!!!!
britishnatzis | Apr 10, 2011, 09:17 AM EDT
i think the queen and her wicked pharohonic bloodline are among the most disgusting devils this earth has ever known.... i think its quite sad that sheeple dont realise how evil this bitch really is due to their silly hypnotic robot way that every person must serve and pay their taxes!!!!!!!!!.... her evil family are responsible for most wars... the royals of europe and america ie. the bushs!!!! are blood related back to the pharohs of egypt....she is currently involved in a canadian court battle about abduction and murder of aborinal children,,, like the pope they get their power from others pain especially children... wake the f up sheeple.... we need massive non-compliance protests all over the globe to rid these wicked wierdos from the world
barneyjo | Apr 08, 2011, 08:01 PM EDT
@redrocks - heres another few lyrics for you; "And we're still at it in our own place. Still trying to reach the future through the past. Still trying to carve tomorrow from a TOMBSTONE!!!............"The twisted wreckage down on Main street, will bring us all toghther in the end. And we'll go marching down the road to Freedom........Freedom!!!!!" (Paul Brady)
barneyjo | Apr 08, 2011, 07:43 PM EDT
@redrocks - are you not amazed like me as to how easlily some posters on this page manage to talk abaolute b###s!!
redrocks | Apr 03, 2011, 07:00 PM EDT
heres a song and a few lyrics might bring you back to earth paddy: You took what was not yours Went against your own bible You broke your own laws Just to out do the rival But did you ever apologize For the hundreds and millions of lives You destroyed and terrorised Or have you never realized Did you never feel shame For what was done in your country's name And find out who's to blame and why they were so inhumane And still they teach you in your school About those glorious days of rule And how it's your destiny to be Superior to me But if you've any kind of mind You'll see that all human kind Are the children of this earth And your hate for them will chew you up and spit you out You'll never kill our will to be free, to be free. (Damien Dempsey; Colony)
redrocks | Apr 03, 2011, 06:50 PM EDT
Paddy, i joined this site to communicate my annoyance at your blissful ignorance. The crown and its custodian are whats coming to Ireland and we are supposed to accept it with open arms? Shes a representative of the same family who starved our ancestors, shot us in the back, put us down, stole our culture, music, language, art, treated us like animals and you want me to sit back and applaud her? catch yourself on, yes we can accept a visit, yes we need to move on, but while theres no apology and no regret, i will not welcome a custodian war lord to my country
sirpeter | Mar 28, 2011, 03:29 PM EDT
Paddy Duffy..Maybe you should read a little more about the royal family and what a bunch of racist fu*kers they are. Anyone who does will find it quiet logical to dislike them. This is a family who has no problem using the term wogs and paki's and nig-nogs. Just Google it!! So don't be telling us Ireland needs to grow up. For alot of us,it's not just our history.As a bunch of arrogant racist's.They don't deserve the respect they demand. I don't use the term deserve because they don't use a word that imply s earned.Royalty demands!!
sirpeter | Mar 28, 2011, 03:01 PM EDT
Creakygate..No Ireland wasn't in debt at the time of the last Royal Visit. But thousands of Irish people were in death and close to death in the slums of Dublin and every major city. To use that as an point to ponder. To compare Ireland to 100 years ago,like it was better or something.Take off those Royal blinkers and go away and read up about the history of your own city.
geminicw | Mar 26, 2011, 06:04 PM EDT
Mary McAleese should be ashamed of herself!!! has she forgotten what was done to our Ancestors?? what they went through? what they fought and so many people died for?! us republicans do not want her here it is and insult to our ancestors! it will cause murder on our streets stay where you are!!! the queen is not welcome!!!
Towngate | Mar 19, 2011, 08:46 PM EDT
MALONEY: I hope I live to see 'america' returned to its rightful owners.
maloney | Mar 18, 2011, 04:06 PM EDT
Paddy Duffy..just another head of state from a country who had kicked people from their own land and replaced them with people who do not belong. Never say die, take back the country. Return it to the rightful owners.
Towngate | Mar 18, 2011, 02:30 PM EDT
@ Patriot: Just a thought, and a point to ponder: At the time of the last Royal Visit; Ireland wasn't in 85 Billion Pounds debt! Where did it all go wrong?
Towngate | Mar 16, 2011, 10:17 AM EDT
IF THE LAST visit ended our Royal connection ~ maybe this Visit will Restore it! ( We might need Her and Great Britain badly when we are kicked out of 'Europe'. Be careful,Paddy,my dear old friend, be very careful! The Queens visit will tell the entire world that Ireland is ready to play with the big boys at last! If we blow this chance to show Statesmanship and courtesy to a friendly Visitor, then default on the EU/IMF Loan and we Irish will be called the 'Bailout Bogmen' forever more!
patriot | Mar 15, 2011, 04:46 PM EDT
James Connolly and Constance Markievicz formed a group to protest the last royal visit. This group was the seed kernal of the Easter Uprising led by the brand new IRA (which was composed of the IRB's Irish Volunteers and, more importantly, the Union founded Irish Citizen's Army). Let's hope this unwanted royal visit also stimulates another renaissance of the Gael in our never ending struggle to rid the island of the sassenach.
patriot | Mar 15, 2011, 04:17 PM EDT
Utter nonsense. The queen's hands are drenched ion blood. We don't want her!
slainte39 | Mar 14, 2011, 08:28 PM EDT
I'm not saying the Queen shouldn't or can't come...I just don't think such a big deal should be made of it...a small squib on page 4. My postings about the reasons for the hostlity about the visit is to point out that there is validity to this anger, whether in good taste or not. The debate over partition could go on forever. LOL at one point you made Dan, was calling Cromwell a "regicidist", probably the nicest thing he was ever called in Ireland...and that for only killing one king. I guess you would have to kill at least two kings to be a "regicidal maniac". Good thing he's not around today or HM might have more problems than the disgruntled Irish.
hancock | Mar 14, 2011, 07:03 PM EDT
When should England grow up?
DanOLoingsigh | Mar 14, 2011, 06:18 PM EDT
SL39 - Strongbow was Norman Welsh, James Stuart was Scottish, Cromwell was a republican regicidist and Dutch King Billy was just Dutch. Your list illustrates that the history of Ireland and the relationship with our neighbours was far more complex than the ‘800 years of English oppression’ narrative allows. Sure there wasn’t much democracy around, that wasn’t how the world was in those days. I listened to today's ‘Liveline’, where a Dublin publican defended his ‘No Queen’ banner against other callers, trotting out all the reasons why the British Queen should stay away. Maybe he’s right, and we are not yet mature enough to handle a visit from an octogenarian lady who happens to represent our near neighbour?
DanOLoingsigh | Mar 14, 2011, 03:50 PM EDT
slainte39 – Remember the Turkish invasion was provoked by the 1974 EOKA coup and the drive by the Greek Cypriots for Enosis, union with Greece, then run by a military Junta. Also you only have to look at all the abandoned CofI churches around the country to see a major population shift has occurred since independence. Fear of a loss of power by unionists would certainly have been a major motivation in not wanting to join the then Free State, but it was the lack of power that motivated the republican movement, so why would it not equally be of concern to unionists? As for Lloyd George, he had led Britain through the major trauma of the Great War, so I don’t know his motivation but the compromise may have looked the best option – he could argue that neither side got what they wanted, but each got enough to end hostilities for the time being.
slainte39 | Mar 14, 2011, 03:25 PM EDT
I forgot to mention that the so-called one nation-2 islands (Ireland and Great Britain) concept of the United Kingdom was hardly conceived by a democratic vote as a means of achieving such, by the likes of Strongbow, 1st Queen Bess, James Stuart, Cromwell, Dutch King Billy, and all the rest. Only when the wrong was being righted did it become convenient to become "democratic"...in "the 6". More democratic if you were Protestant.
slainte39 | Mar 14, 2011, 03:04 PM EDT
DanO-True, islands are shared, even tiny ones like St.Martin/St.Maarten, but it's much more the exception than the rule. How about Cyprus?..ethnic division forced by Turkey. My point is the transplanting of people by a conquering nation to make this situation happen...not an Irish idea. My thinking is more like...Probably a good portion of Latvia would now be part of Russia, if the voting for independence had been done on a section by section basis, because of the transplanting. Borneo..a Dutch/English proposition; Hispañola(Haiti/Dominican Republic)..a French/Spanish proposition; Ireland..a UK/UK proposition (Griffiths signed with a gun to his head ..figuratively and almost literally).After the adjustment period following independence, Protestants in the Republic were just as well off as their Catholic brethren...maybe more so. It was a power grab, or fear of loss of power by a minority in one corner of the country. Lloyd-George couldn't have given at rat's arse about the Unionists...it was just the easiest and least expensive way out for London.
DanOLoingsigh | Mar 14, 2011, 06:12 AM EDT
slainte39 – I agree you make a fair point, and I apologise that my last post did not acknowledge that. But I hope you can see that there is another, equally valid point of view. The pre-1922 UK was also an entity, of two neighbouring islands. The majority on one island, Ireland, decided to leave, a minority chose to stay in that union, and there lies the United Ireland dilemma. To achieve UI the reluctant unionists had to either be coerced, or persuaded, perhaps over a longer period. Extremist republicans chose coercion, and we can see the result. One can also cite the US Civil War as a war between neighbours with one side wanting lo leave a union, far more destructive, but rarely alluded to by Irish American posters. On islands, Borneo is shared by Malaysia and Indonesia, Hispaniola by Haiti and the Dom Rep.
slainte39 | Mar 14, 2011, 04:32 AM EDT
DanO- Not exactly a good comparison as Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were artificially created states resulting from the break-up of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. Ethiopia and Eritrea were lumped together by Italian colonial aspirations and so forth...India/Pakistan was many states. So each case you mentioned has special cimcumstances, whereas Ireland was always considered one entity by the people who lived there (maybe many clans) and even by the colonial British government. Ireland is also an island which makes it more insular and isolated than the Balkanization countries. Maybe Indonesia/East Timor would be a close analogy as that also fell into religious differneces...Muslim/Catholic. My point is apparent.
greensod | Mar 13, 2011, 09:46 PM EDT
Ireland united and free,then and only then can the past be considered.This is still a work in progress.
hancock | Mar 13, 2011, 04:56 PM EDT
i'm glad we agree.
FallsRNat | Mar 13, 2011, 04:24 PM EDT
hancock - Northern Ireland is a failed gerrymandered welfare state, should fit in perfectly with the 26 counties - another failed gerrymandered welfare state
hancock | Mar 13, 2011, 03:46 PM EDT
Why don't you tell me Realist?
Sparklet | Mar 13, 2011, 03:10 PM EDT
SeamusMor, spoken like a real Irishman.
hancock | Mar 13, 2011, 01:51 PM EDT
Northern Ireland is a failed gerrymandered welfare state.
DanOLoingsigh | Mar 13, 2011, 01:42 PM EDT
slainte39 – Re your last post…yes actually, India/Pakistan, Czechs/Slovaks, all the constituent republics of the former Yugoslavia, Denmark/Southern Schleswig, Indonesia/East Timor, Ethiopia/Eritrea, Singapore/Malaysia to name a few… so what was your point again?
jacersagain | Mar 13, 2011, 01:11 PM EDT
I agree that Ireland needs to grow up and welcome Mrs Windsor to Ireland. As sign of our maturity, may I suggest that the Irish Cricket Team be the first to welcome her on to Irish soil?
slainte39 | Mar 13, 2011, 12:06 PM EDT
"Dublinjas"-I stand corrected, you are right, BOLLOX!!! Can you imagine in any sovereign country where they picked out a small area and had a "democratic election" for that "special" minority on any issue that affected the whole of the country, the chaos that would follow??? Well, that's what happened on this island.
Realist | Mar 13, 2011, 10:31 AM EDT
Enrightnyc: Via the principle of consent enshrined in the Belfast Agreement and ratified by significant democratic mandates North and South of the border, the majority of people living in Northern Ireland with to remain part of the United Kingdom. To quote John Hume, "....Nationalists need to accept that the Unionists have been in Ireland longer than the white man has been in America...." Why can't you accept this?
seagreen | Mar 13, 2011, 10:30 AM EDT
Both countries are arguing over the past two hundred years, while their youth leave, and Pakistan,Nigeria,China,and India repopulate England and Ireland. Keep it up, and the last few Englishmen and Irishmen will have their arguments as part of a festival in Ennis and Birmingham, as part of history day held by the new majority to explain to its youth how the new Ireland came into existence.
Enrightnyc | Mar 13, 2011, 09:16 AM EDT
I'm shocked by most of the comments posted so far. She is not just a queen. Not just a head of state. She is the head of state of a country that still occupies 6 Irish counties. This move is just another attempt by the Brits and their lackies in the Free State government to "normalize" partion. There is NOTHING normal about partition. They have no right to be in any part of Ireland, they've never had any right and they never will have any right to be in Ireland! Mary mcAleese should know better but she's just a politician and I have no respect for her kissing the arse of the queen of her country's occupier!
Realist | Mar 13, 2011, 08:05 AM EDT
hancock: If you're really interested in an answer to that question, you should visit the United Kingdom and ask. However, if it's just an ill mannered attempt to make dirt of another country's traditions, I suggest you stay at home. I hope this helps.
hancock | Mar 13, 2011, 06:42 AM EDT
Why do the English still have a queen?
Dublinjas | Mar 13, 2011, 04:42 AM EDT
'slainte39' "at least she is not the Queen of Ireland" Sorry mate,like it or not she is the Queen of Northern Ireland.
slainte39 | Mar 13, 2011, 04:13 AM EDT
Well, there's one thing we "stole" from the British or whatever they called themselves at the time (Roman lackeys), that they never got back...........St. Patrick.
gcwfromcanada | Mar 13, 2011, 03:56 AM EDT
@shamrockshore - Good Lord man, have you dusted the crime scene? Maybe you can throw an 80 year old woman in gaol for theft! The fact that she's never been in your country shouldn't cause any trouble, do you think? What the British did to the Irish is well documented history but, really, as the man said - it's time to stop being a victim. Let Ireland move forward into the future as a respected and respectful nation. No one is asking you to forget Cromwell or the Black & Tans but I really believe that it's time to look ahead.
Realist | Mar 13, 2011, 01:57 AM EST
sirpeter: "The vast majority of people on this Island do not care or have respect for the Queen of England"....lol. If this was the case then why have successive governments of the Irish Republic been lobbying for her visit for the best part of 15 years? Also, the sectarian murder and bombing campaign of the Provisional IRA is not "ancient history" either but Irish Prime-ministers and Presidents have been regularly and warmly received in the UK without a hint of public dissent. I don't see that you have a point other than "I hate the Queen and all things British - I just do all right". Again, I can only echo Mr Duffy, go away and grow up.
sirpeter | Mar 12, 2011, 10:17 PM EST
Realist..Quote"especially if that same country has just granted billion Euro loans to help you out of the worst recession in living memory"Unquoet..What you you know about this loan and why it was given? You think it was given out of friendship do you?..You think our history has been one of mutual friendship do you? You think the British government cares about the ordinary people of Ireland do you? It's you need to grow up buddy..The vast majority of people on this Island do not care or have respect for the Queen of England. Yet she comes.Just like a 100 years ago with the last visit,she is neither loved nor respected here by the vast majority.That's a fact..So Buster..Deal with it. We have very good reason to despise British royalty in this country...Interment without trial is not ancient history. So you grow up.
cillowen | Mar 12, 2011, 09:37 PM EST
The Occupier of the Irish to be welcomed wilst she and her Saxon tribe control to manipulate an Irish history for her England of year 864 origin. Stolen a heritage and claims it their own - that's the cunning nature of things. The unaware Irish have no idea as to the fervor of the Saxon who borrows heavily from Celtic symbols and myths. The Harp the symbol of Ireland emblazons UK's Standards and appears across the breath of commonwealth and US - appearing on medals buildings coins etc. Her diaspora who understands the significence of what I write - defends mother in a variety of ways - more obvious way is thru ridicule .........
Towngate | Mar 12, 2011, 07:34 PM EST
"Steady - the Buffs! ... waaaaaait 'till ya see the whites of their eeeeys!!!!
SeamusMor | Mar 12, 2011, 06:12 PM EST
Yesterday is gone forever. Tomorrow is new day. Ireland is internationally famous for her hospitality, and I am sure that she will show the world the proper way to treat a lady.
ellenfromcork | Mar 12, 2011, 06:08 PM EST
Once we get over the past then we have really become free. She is just a visiting head of state, like any leader of any country in the world. At some time we have to say the past is over, let's get on w/ it. Thousands and thousands have died for Ireland, can we now have, please God, people who are willing to live for Ireland.
slainte39 | Mar 12, 2011, 02:02 PM EST
What's the statute of limitations for crimes committed. Maybe we shouldn't let the Danes off the hook either...they pillaged and plundered, destroyed a lot of national treasues, and killed people. Were the Celts hands clean, as well? Deal with the present reality...at least she is not the Queen of Ireland and no one has to pay her homage. she's just an old lady who has very little importance, unless you want to hype her up beyond reality. Yawn..., look forward, and don't dwell on the past. She's got more German blood than British...a toothless tigress, not worthy of emotion.
donal1951 | Mar 12, 2011, 01:50 PM EST
My hope is the Queen will be treated with the respect due her as a head of state, nothing more, nothing less. As other writers have stated more eloquently than I, HRS Elizabeth II had little, if any, input into the peace process. Even the gongs mentioned below were at the request of the prime minister. I consider myself a Republican, but I have no quarrel with Queen Elizabeth. Margaret Thatcher, were she not in her dotage, would be another situation altogether
ShamrockShore | Mar 12, 2011, 01:46 PM EST
First of all, why so hostile? When it boils down to it, the Queen is just another head of state, like Mary McAleese with a room full of jewels, visiting a neighbouring country ......... Are you serious? The roomfull of jewels bit sets off the alarm bells. Over the centuries British monarchs have looted the family silver here so if she is eating in Farmleigh I'd introduce the paper plates and plastic cutlery. Maybe even an early Christmas Cracker.
hancock | Mar 12, 2011, 01:13 PM EST
A Queen? hilarious.
Realist | Mar 12, 2011, 12:33 PM EST
sirpeter: "Well go speak to some British WW2 veterans about respecting the German traditions and they will unconfuse you pretty quick"? Lol....what are you on about? I happen to know several British WW2 veterans and not one of them ever hinted at the slightest disrespect for Germany, the Germans, or "German traditions". What a silly thing to write. I keep pointing this out, but, my friend, I suggest you do yourself a big favour and grow up.
STUMPTOWN | Mar 12, 2011, 12:24 PM EST
Thoes still in the past tense, please read Tom Swinford's EXCLENT post of 3/12/2011, 10:14 A.M.EST. Now then, get with the present tense so that the people of Ireland can have a more peaceful and happier life than your feet dragging state of mind of the past. Time changes all and waits for no one.
belcarra | Mar 12, 2011, 10:57 AM EST
sirpeter,,you are so stupid,,
Dublinjas | Mar 12, 2011, 10:17 AM EST
Well said 'TomSwinford' Great Post.
Dublinjas | Mar 12, 2011, 10:14 AM EST
The Queen is Britain's Head of State. She has been invited to visit Ireland by Ireland's Head of State, President Mary McAleese. The Irish president has been warmly received in Britain by the Queen. The Queen's visit is altogether appropriate and an overwhelmingly majority of the Irish Republic will give her a warm and gracious welcome. This is how mature nations and grown up people behave, especially when they have so much in common. Britain remains Ireland's largest and by far it's most important trading partner. More British citizens live in Ireland than in any other foreign country; more Irish citizens live in Britain than in any other foreign country. There are more than 40,000 Irish directors of British companies. The average Irish worker in Britain earns as much or more than the average Brit. Despite a tortured history, both countries have simply moved on, recognizing that the bonds uniting them are far stronger and more enduring than increasingly ancient memories. There are, of course, those unfortunates who cannot move on, who, perhaps because of sadly inadequate or unfulfilled lives, are incapable of rational discourse. Their pathetic, insult-laden, hate-filled drivel fill these pages. My compliments to Realist and DanOLoingsigh for reasoned commentary.
Dublinjas | Mar 12, 2011, 10:00 AM EST
The Queen aside, I'm just sick and tired of the ostentatious moronic rantings of an idiot who calls himself 'sirpeter'. Is there anyway to shut this idiot down???
Taraskryne | Mar 12, 2011, 09:44 AM EST
"Even when the Anglo-Irish relationship was at its most fractious, the Queen’s role in the defining moments of The Troubles was negligible." Negligible!!! So you call giving the murderers OBE's after the Bloody Sunday killings Negligible. She is not welcome here. End of.
sirpeter | Mar 12, 2011, 07:59 AM EST
Realist..Disrespecting another country's tradition is nothing short of infantile and self-defeating bad manners. You are talking about the British there. Maybe you should talk to some of the British WW2 veterans.They are still pissed off at the Germans.They are still paying the price physically with pain and thoughts of their dead buddies. Some of them won't even buy German goods still..Tell them to respect German tradition's. Look at all the Hollywood and British movies still made portraying the Germans as jew killers and murderers. Isn't it about time they grew up and started respecting the Germans and Japanese. Realist..You really are a plonker. You are just another British loving pri*k who can't see beyond your own point of view. This Irish attitude is all very confusing to ya ..isn't it. Well go speak to some British WW2 veterans about respecting the German traditions and they will unconfuse you pretty quick. Maybe then you will understand where some of us Irish are coming from.
Realist | Mar 12, 2011, 03:56 AM EST
The United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy. Disrespecting another country's tradition is nothing short of infantile and self-defeating bad manners - especially if that same country has just granted billion Euro loans to help you out of the worst recession in living memory (honestly, it beggars belief). I agree Mr Duffy, there's a lot of growing up to be done on this subject especially from, "the victims we know so well". I just hope they do not embarrass the Irish Republic too much when Her Majesty visits.
sirpeter | Mar 11, 2011, 11:17 PM EST
Royality!!..They've bled us white,the basta*ds. They've taken everything we had,and not just from us,from our fathers,and from our fathers'fathers,and from our fathers'fathers'fathers! What have they ever given us in return?!The aqueduct? Oh yeah,yeah,right they've given us,yeah,that's true,yeah.And the sanitation.Yeah, all right, I grant you, the aqueduct and the sanitation, are two things the Royals have done.And the roads!!!Well, yeah, obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they! But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct and the roads?..Irrigation,Medicine,Education!Yeah, all right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Royals ever done for us!?Brought peace!Oh, peace. Shut up!...Monty Python (Life of Brian)
STUMPTOWN | Mar 11, 2011, 09:44 PM EST
Ireland like the U.K. are part of the E.U.. Ireland people that want to live in the past are really a liability to the people of Ireland who want Ireland to a part of todays world. Even though there are bad history in the past with the two countries, it is 2011 and time changes all and waits for no one, so lets move Ireland forward to the future not back to the past. The Queen does not have to accept this visit but she did. Ireland has a great president that will be a true asset for Ireland on this visit by the Queen of the U.K.. May the sun shine on Ireland on the Queen's visit and all enjoy it for your presents is the image the world will see of Ireland.
warrenpoint00 | Mar 11, 2011, 07:35 PM EST
Paddy oh Paddy, so you want to see the queen of England.Why don,t you just go to buck palace Paddy and see the lovely woman and save all those poor broken tax payers in the broken free state a few bob.Take Dano with you, make you guys feel like your home again.
DanOLoingsigh | Mar 11, 2011, 05:59 PM EST
PaddyD – Quite right. Many people don’t ‘get’ the fact that modern constitutional monarchies are there at the ‘pleasure’ of the citizens. Spain chose to revert to a monarchy after the divisive Franco years, as it was seen as the best way to reunite the country. Both sides know how the bargain works, the monarch stays out of politics and the elected government is spared the tedium of performing the Head of State role. One can make a case for countries such as Norway, Denmark, Sweden being more sophisticated and successful democracies because of, or is that in spite of, their having a monarch. If it isn’t broke, no need to fix it. I do agree that the British tabloids are sorry excuses for newspapers, but again, if you don’t like then, just don’t buy them.
Towngate | Mar 11, 2011, 04:12 PM EST
......" those there were that came to Mock! ... and yet remained to Pray!" Vivat Regina! ... and Bless Old Ireland too!
PaddyDuffy | Mar 11, 2011, 03:36 PM EST
Dan it's the media making such a hoopla that's more the annoying part, in the same way that people support English football teams but when the national squad play everyone's head is wrecked by the fawning coverage. More power to William and Kate like, nothing against them whatsoever. And, as I hope the article bears out, I think a Head of State should be afforded a degree of respect even if we don't necessarily agree with how they're appointed. Unless they're mad dictators of course.
hancock | Mar 11, 2011, 03:08 PM EST
I don't fear them, I just don't like them much.
DanOLoingsigh | Mar 11, 2011, 03:06 PM EST
Previous posters who object to monarchies … The people of Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Japan and everywhere else that choose to have a constitutional monarchy, rather than a republic, have made that choice for their own reasons. Try and show respect for the choices made by others…and try not to get too bitter and twisted over the happy event of a wedding, or people might get the idea you’re a little Anglophobic?
PaddyDuffy | Mar 11, 2011, 02:27 PM EST
I agree Hancock, a monarch as Head of State is quite the anachronism. And the coverage of the Royal Wedding will get really annoying very soon.
hancock | Mar 11, 2011, 02:09 PM EST
Maybe the English should grow up. Why do they still have a queen?