Has the time come for Celtic Independence? - Scottish win could spell seismic shift
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Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond is currently embroiled in a power struggle with British PM over a referendum for Scottish independence, but if he wins the dominoes won’t just stop at Hadrian’s Wall.
If the Scottish win independence, then it spells a seismic shift in not just how the British Union works, but the European one. Salmond’s Scotland has much more in common with the Nordic countries in terms of social provision and much more Europhile than Cameron’s England, and independence would not only copperfasten these differences but create a new diplomatic entity on the EU stage. Especially so, if Scotland win the custody battle for the oil off their coast.
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If Scotland and England do take divergent paths, that leaves Wales and Northern Ireland essentially in a “back me or sack me” situation, stuck between siding with their Celtic brethren (and to a lesser degree Europe) and the Westminster government who supply the block grant for their respective assemblies. And if they do, then it may be the best chance proponents of a United Ireland will have in decades.
If the UK becomes more of a loose confederation as would be likely the case under Scottish independence, then Northern Ireland’s closeness to the Republic of Ireland will come under closer scrutiny, in terms of trade, services, culture and a host of other things that will suddenly become relevant if such a debate ever arises. Of course, that means it will energise both sides of the argument.
Already you can see the Unionist side in particular sharpening their swords. This Tuesday on Spotlight, a Northern Ireland current affairs discussion programme, DUP Health Minister Edwin Poots claimed First Minister Salmond was like a dog agitating to get off the leash and went on to essentially claim that the fundamentals of the Union were strong. But United Ireland advocates are getting more nuanced in their approach, with younger members of Sinn Féin like Pearse Doherty providing a counter-balance to old irredentism by considering a range of ideas about how the arrangement could work, even how to accommodate hardline Unionists in an Irish parliamentary setting. More interesting still, they’re focusing on a referendum of their own for around the 2016 mark.
As I’ve said before, the case of a United Ireland is something I’m intensely ambivalent about and would be of the opinion that an independent Scotland would more likely precipitate a kind of Celtic alliance, each country becoming more independent of London but still under the kind of loose confederation I mentioned earlier. But, the political sands are changing and changing quickly, and for those who dream of a United Ireland they should make their case extremely well for the debate ahead. Their day may finally be coming if they do.
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bunkerhill | Feb 25, 2012, 01:55 PM EST
The Celts and Britains of the "British" isles have had their history stolen by the "related royals" of questionable origin controlling the Nordic countries, the Netherlands, Belgium etc. All we ever hear about are AS's and I recall a Scotsman asking "Where is my heritage." Although I was never a fan of Churchill. he did write in his "Birth of Britain" that there was never an AS invasion of England and he explains what happened. DNA has proven him right and anyone who knows Latin knows that English is approx 65% Latin. Imagine the Romans being in Albion for five hundred years and leaving no input or descendents. look at the buildings and coins, totally Roman. But then there was that big split Henry VIII (the head chopper) had with Rome. All the Celts or Britains have had their history stolen by the AS's. Where in "Saxonia" do you find the monuments, books, (recent treasure trove of weapons) that are found in the lands of the Britains or Celts. My American history books told me the Nordics were the first to sail in the North Atlantic in the 7th century, although monuments in the "Celtic British" isles date back before the pyramids. Does anyone have DNA on the AS royals.
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like2tweet | Feb 25, 2012, 12:34 PM EST
Excellent article -- go Scots and Braveheart !
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pndirishandprou | Feb 25, 2012, 11:24 AM EST
Scotland would be foolish to split from the UK. Why go from being part of a large European country (although most Brits don't consider themselves European) to becoming a small and insignificant country? On the other hand, it would not really matter much as the true center of gravity on the old continent has been Brussels for a long time. An independent Scotland may well be a plus for the European Union.
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SeamusMor | Feb 25, 2012, 11:07 AM EST
The Scottish Kings had Irish ancestors. The Irish Kingdom of Dal Riada extended from Ulster to Argyle. Brian Boru's daughter married Scottish King Malcolm II; MacBeth was their grandson. Politics is best defined as the struggle for wealth. Scotland, through her off shore oil fields' contribution to the U.K. economy is a net looser as less is spent on them than she contributes. That is not the case in Northern Ireland where the U.K. spends far more on services than it takes in from taxes. Celtic solidarity will be trumped by enlightened economic interest. The Republic of Ireland is a failed state, broken by bankers and bond holders, ruled by the troika, and limited by austerity measures. It is hardly an attractive alternative to the status quo in Ulster.
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colkelley | Feb 25, 2012, 10:19 AM EST
If they are more Nordic it means they are a cradle-to-grave welfare state. No thanks. Incidentally, Fergananim, the Scots are descended also from Irish raiders who settled there and conquered the Picts in the 700s AD.
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Fergananim | Feb 25, 2012, 10:05 AM EST
Celtic independence? As far as I know, France, Germany, and Belgium are independent. Scotland is not an Celtic state as none of its ancient peoples ever described themselves as Celts. A better word would surely be Pict, British, Norse, Old English or Norman, all of whom were ancestral to today's Scottish people.
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