The Irish cop behind Arizona's anti-immigrant law
By: Tom Deignan | Published Thursday, June 17, 2010, 6:55 PM | Updated Friday, September 9, 2011, 9:39 PM

Arizona lawmaker John Kavanagh -- who was actually born in Queens -- was recently challenged by a protester.
Kavanagh, a former Port Authority police officer, was a major force behind the controversial law which allows
Arizona police officers to question people who might be in the
U.S. illegally.
Quite a few folks believe this is a law which, at best, makes racial or ethnic profiling legal and, at worst, is anti-immigrant.
So, a protester asked Kavanagh, where did your people come from?
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Ireland and
Germany,” Kavanagh was quoted as saying. “But legally.”
Perhaps a deeper, follow-up question was in order -- should Irish Americans who have been in the U.S. several generations (such as John Kavanagh) sympathize with current immigrants?
This leads us to a dirty little secret among a sizeable number of Irish Americans. For decades, many have embraced their own immigrant ties while sneering at more recent immigrants.
Is this a majority of Irish Americans? Probably not. And they should not make us forget the passionate Irish Americans who work tirelessly to make sure a new generation of immigrants enjoys the same access to opportunity that earlier immigrants had.
However, for many Irish Americans, it’s not hard to find an uncle or cousin or aunt who has particularly passionate opposition to America’s current immigration situation.
If you’re lucky enough, you might here an anti-immigrant rant at, say, a St. Patrick’s Day party. Which will get your head spinning faster than Jameson.
One line of reasoning you often hear is similar to the argument made by Kavanagh. The past waves of Irish came here legally, whereas so many of today’s immigrants -- including those targeted by the controversial
Arizona law -- are here illegally.
Well, it’s not hard to oppose illegal immigration. Of course, you might argue that if the immigration system were comprehensively overhauled, we might not have so many illegal immigrants in this country right now.
But back to the Irish, there is this problem -- the deeper into the past you go, it’s harder and harder to say who, exactly was legal and who was not.
Even if your grandparents proudly displayed their
Ellis Island papers on their living room wall next to their portrait of JFK, who’s to say there wasn’t an uncle or cousin or aunt somewhere who might have entered through the back door? Or, for that matter, who simply jumped the (Canadian) border?
America, after all, didn’t have any sort of national immigration policy until the 1870s. Incidentally, one of the first national directives was to limit the number of Chinese laborers coming to the West.
Why? Well, for one thing, the Chinese were taking a lot of jobs that Irish immigrants had been performing.
A cynic might say that Kavanagh and those anti-Chinese Irish laborers share a motto, “I got mine, you get yours. Somewhere else!”
But the immigration debate is already rife with cynicism. Irish Americans such as Kavanagh make arguments about not only the legality of current immigrants, but the crime which they supposedly spur.
Again, no group was seen as more congenitally criminal than the Irish. But that’s the past.
Today, we have laws that deal with criminals no matter where they come from. And, just as an Irish criminal was likely to be arrested by a police officer named Flanagan or O’Shaughnessy, an immigrant suspect in Arizona today should not be surprised if he is booked by a cop named Garcia or Gonzalez.
So what’s the deal? Are the Irish and Mexicans inclined to criminality or law enforcement?
To answer an earlier question -- I think today’s Irish Americans should see today’s immigrants as the latest arrivals in a long line of folks simply seeking better lives. The Irish should, indeed, have sympathy for today’s immigrants.
No, of course not the criminals or the terrorists. But then again, what would the Irish know about criminals or terrorists?
(Contact tomdeignan@earthlink.net or
facebook.com/tomdeignan)
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.IrishAndProud | May 20, 2010, 12:22 AM EDT
Name a racist or hypocritical thing I've said, ritmomente. Name a single, solitary thing.
Monsoonman | May 18, 2010, 10:04 AM EDT
The Trojan Horse being used by the Irish illegals to gain citizenship is a transparent ploy. They think giving 12 million illegals US citizenship is a fair trade off for their citizenship(50K of them). Sell us right down the road to get what they want....We don't need anymore new citizens like that. Get in line and come in legally.
ritmomente | May 17, 2010, 02:58 PM EDT
I'm not the minority nor the hard left. I see the human rights and financial benefit of documenting the undocumented. Myself, with the Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform feel as though there are better, more economical ways than having to deport 12,000,000 people. I just take offense to racist remarks and hypocracy by someone who calls himself Irish.
IrishAndProud | May 15, 2010, 04:48 AM EDT
Well MAYBE I'm offering another viewpoint besides the tiny-minority, hard-left dribble that some of these drips passing for Irish people write. I'm clearly irritating you (good!), and if you don't like dissent, perhaps you should move to Cuba or Venezuela. And no illegal 'stole' my job. Part of my work involves janitorial stuff...you know, the kind of thing people like you think only illegals will do because Americans won't. And I was doing it even BEFORE the Obama economy screwed us over.
blablablah | May 13, 2010, 02:19 PM EDT
Irishandproud, you have waaaaaay too much time on your hands. What happened? Did an illegal immigrant steal your job? Lol. Why do you frequent this site if you continually insult the writers and disagree with the articles??
ritmomente | May 11, 2010, 10:04 AM EDT
You can't simply just push them out.
ritmomente | May 11, 2010, 10:03 AM EDT
After you've pushed the 12,000,000 towards either a guest worker program or on the path to citizenship. Fix the broken law.
Monsoonman | May 11, 2010, 12:20 AM EDT
Seal all of our borders. Enforce all of our immigration laws. Use e-verify for all employees, so that the only ones working in the US are its legal citizens. Emergency healthcare to all that need it, but non US citizens to be sent home.
ritmomente | May 10, 2010, 02:24 PM EDT
The "free education" and "free healthcare" is because of broken laws. The boder is broken because no administration has yet to fix them. Fix the laws. Enact comprehensive immigration reform.
ritmomente | May 10, 2010, 02:22 PM EDT
No Monsoonman, you are a racist. There are a few problems with your statement about pulling the race card. 1) I am of Irish descent and was born in this country. 2) I have repeated ILIR's proposition for comprehensive immigration reform. 3) You have produced no viable solution except for wholesale deportation of what you call vermin. 4) Your language suggests that because they are swimming over or running across the desert, they are subhuman. Your statements are purely racist.
Monsoonman | May 10, 2010, 09:58 AM EDT
I hate to break the news to you ritmonte, but you have lost all of your racist arguments. You are like Monty Pythons Black Knight who defended the bridge to his last limb, but bouncing around on his stumps, didn't know he had been trounced.
ritmomente | May 10, 2010, 08:04 AM EDT
Irishandproud you are not pro-life at all. Pro-life means from conception to natural death. You can't just sit in your high tower and laugh while Mexicans die in the desert. If you fix the broken law, it will be easier to fix the broken fence. The cleaners called...your and Monsoonman's white hoods are ready.
Monsoonman | May 08, 2010, 12:41 PM EDT
You've heard of the UN oil for food program? How about oil for illegals? Mexico pays us a barrel of oil per day for every illegal Mexican in our country, sounds fair to me....and it still doesn't buy them citizenship, just helps defray expenses while they are here.Same thing with Iraq, they should be paying us for getting rid of their dicktater saddam hussein, the bill is due, start sending us oil.
snuffey | May 08, 2010, 08:25 AM EDT
The illegals are breaking our laws! What about the word Illegal that you don't under stand??? The illegals receive free medical care, a free education, welfare, all at the expense of the American tax payer If we complain we are called racist America can no longer afford to give Mexico a free ride!
IrishAndProud | May 08, 2010, 12:06 AM EDT
And again, NO, ritmomente...it is NOT 'hate speech' (or 'tragically misguided') to say an illegal should be deported. And btw...being pro-life (which I am) does NOT mean allowing illegals to overrun the country, because we don't want them dying in the desert (which THEY CHOSE to cross). I would be all for giving them food, water and air conditioning...on the bus and/or plane back to Mexico (or Guatemala, or wherever).
IrishAndProud | May 07, 2010, 11:58 PM EDT
ritmomente wrote: "again, dompedro, what solution do you have besides deporting 12,000,000 people?" *** Exactly what other solution IS there, ritmomente? LEGALIZING them? REWARDING them for breaking-and-entering? Besides, when mass deportations start, many of these illegals will see it coming and SELF-DEPORT, anyway (which has already happened, before). We wouldn't have to actually deport all 12 million of them -- not even close.
GuinnessGrrl | May 07, 2010, 04:29 PM EDT
Posted by sully1167 on May 06, 2010, 02:22 AM EDT Illegal is Illegal, it does not matter if Illegal Invaders are red heads from Ireland,blond haired scandanavians etc. The majority just happen to be from Mexico and Central America. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In Arizona perhaps, NY/New England has had plenty of illegals from Ireland!
GuinnessGrrl | May 07, 2010, 04:27 PM EDT
Posted by Dompedro on May 07, 2010, 03:15 PM EDT just read your april 27 posting Niall, you didn't tell the truth about the Arizona law .... a cop must have made a valid contact with a legal concern before he can ask for an identification document, such as a driver;s license ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That wasn't in the original bill. All the police needed in it was "reasonable suspicion". No other reason was needed.
ritmomente | May 07, 2010, 04:27 PM EDT
again, dompedro, what solution do you have besides deporting 12,000,000 people?
ritmomente | May 07, 2010, 04:26 PM EDT
dompedro, this does not apply. there aren't a shortage of banks or bank accounts. There is a shortage of visas though. The borders must be secure, but those inside our borders must be identified. If you invite them to come forward and pay a fine, they will. Those that don't are the true criminals. This is getting repetetive.
Dompedro | May 07, 2010, 03:15 PM EDT
just read your april 27 posting Niall, you didn't tell the truth about the Arizona law .... a cop must have made a valid contact with a legal concern before he can ask for an identification document, such as a driver;s license
Dompedro | May 07, 2010, 02:54 PM EDT
having papers to show that one is legally in this country (visa, green card, second half of a round trip ticket, work permit) is a Federal requirement there are three billion people in this world who need "better lives" who chooses which laws can be broken and who gets to break them? will you keep sending me The Irish Voice if I bounce a check for my next subscription and say I want to ignore the laws about insufficient funds?
ritmomente | May 07, 2010, 10:44 AM EDT
You can't call it illegal if there is not a means to obey the law. Italians were called W.O.P.s because they were without papers. Fix the broken law so everyone can obey it and the government can enforce it. Neither is possible under the current system. What viable soloution to you have chesapeake? Deport 12,000,000 people?
chesapeake | May 07, 2010, 10:24 AM EDT
The article should have included the word "illegal" before immigrants. As a matter[of-fact, I consider an immigrant to be someone who seeks legal means to enter the United States. The sheer number of the illegal aliens in Arizona alone is a significant drain upon our economy. The AZ law mirrors the law of the land; and at least 10 other states are considering similar laws. Live with it!
ritmomente | May 07, 2010, 10:04 AM EDT
Bushtothehill, I'm a Republican. I want to see taxes paid where there weren't any (most do though). I want to see emergency rooms cleared because these people will be able to buy (notice I typed buy and not receive a handout) their own health insurance and maintain their health. I want to see a stop in running from a car accident because of no car insurance. It's responsible, Pro-Life economics. The Democrats would want to pay for an undocumented immigrant to have an abortion.
Bushothehill | May 07, 2010, 09:36 AM EDT
Immigration Reform has nothing to do with immigrants---it has everything to do with giving millions of illegal aliens an entrance into the mother entitlement programs--the Democratic Party. PLEASE DO NOT MALIGN AND DEBASE IMMIGRANTS BY PLACING THEM IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS ILLEGAL ALIENS.
ritmomente | May 07, 2010, 07:50 AM EDT
And when you give people legal opportunities for them to either be guest workers or set them on the path torwards citizenship, only criminals will be crossing borders. Uncle Sam has every right to know who crosses into his land, but threatening deportation to 12,000,000 people is lunacy and will not work.
ritmomente | May 07, 2010, 07:48 AM EDT
Well it is hate speach from tragically misguided people like you IrishAndProud. And "people like me" are not criminals and do not condone criminal behavior of any sort. For me it's a Pro-Life issue. Murder is not exactly Pro-Life, nor is dying in the Arizona desert.
IrishAndProud | May 07, 2010, 12:16 AM EDT
It may not immediately secure the border, Ajreaper, but it DOES address the illegals who are already here. I agree we need 'step 2': to secure our border, immediately -- in fact we need a full-fledged militarization of it -- but this law is a good step one. They BOTH need to be done...laws like this, AND militarization of our border.
irishwxman | May 07, 2010, 12:13 AM EDT
Nobody is "sneering" at immigrants. They are sneering at people who absolutely ZERO regard for America's immigration laws.
Ajreaper | May 06, 2010, 09:39 PM EDT
We need to secure our borders before we ship out 12 million illegals otherwise they'll just come back and we'll go broke sending them "home". The AZ law does NOTHING to secure the border so it puts us no closer to solving anything.
IrishAndProud | May 06, 2010, 05:07 PM EDT
I'VE done the math, rimomente. SEVENTY PERCENT of Americans support this new Arizona law, and want our borders enforced. How 'hard' illegals work, or what KIND of work they do, or how much 'tax money' they'd provide...ARE...ALL...IRRELEVANT. They're law-breakers. If someone breaks into your home and starts cleaning things, YOU STILL CALL THE COPS. Deport the illegals -- send them home.
IrishAndProud | May 06, 2010, 05:05 PM EDT
And to borrow a phrase from that flunkie Obama: Yes, WE CAN deport 12 million illegals; all that's necessary is the will to do it. YOU'RE the hater, ritmomente...because you cannot stand any dissent from being pro-illegal, whatsoever.
IrishAndProud | May 06, 2010, 05:03 PM EDT
Sorry, ritmomente...wanting enforcement of our own nation's laws and borders is NOT hate speech (and you can no longer cast it as that; it doesn't work). The only 'hate' I see on this entire issue is coming from people on YOUR side of things...the murder of that Arizona rancher by an illegal, the shooting of that sheriff's deputy by an illegal, the threats and taunts by pro-illegal demostrators (who defaced state government property), etc.
GuinnessGrrl | May 06, 2010, 04:09 PM EDT
What some of you either don't know or have ignored this Gestapo bill was originally written to allow the police to stop you and ask to see your papers. NO REASON other than "reasonable suspicion" had to be given. In otherwords, a person of hispanic decent whose ancestors were living in AZ before it became a state could be stopped while walking their dog & be told they have to prove their citizenship!
ritmomente | May 06, 2010, 02:29 PM EDT
allentown, undocumented women can only nanny, houseclean or waitress. With an earned visa, they can do what they went to university to study. More money will be made, more taxes will be collected, health and car insurance will be had, and freer travels. You do the math.
ritmomente | May 06, 2010, 02:26 PM EDT
allentown, what you discount is that women will be able to do more than waitress or nanny. They'll have jobs they went to university for, thus making more money, paying greater taxes (most do pay), have health and car insurance and spend more money. They'll also be able to travel more freely, even to visit their home countries and come back here back to work.
ritmomente | May 06, 2010, 02:24 PM EDT
more hate speech from IrishandProud. You cannot deport 12,000,000 people. It is too expensive. It's far cheaper to fine them and allow them the possibility to seek citizenship (or guest worker visas). Currently neither opportunity is available.
IrishAndProud | May 06, 2010, 01:57 PM EDT
ritmomente, which is more costly...sending a clear message that LAW-BREAKING WON'T BE TOLERATED...and OUT...YOU...GO, WITHOUT EXCEPTION -- or, merely 'fining' the millions who violate our borders and sovreignty, and then letting them remain (which merely invites millions more to do likewise because all they'd have to do is come up with the $$ for the fine)? Some might even call that a bribe...just pay up, and we'll look the other way...
allentown | May 06, 2010, 01:33 PM EDT
Ritmomente---Get an education on costs of illegals in the USA. Go to immigrationcounters.com
ritmomente | May 06, 2010, 01:06 PM EDT
12,000,000 undocumented immigrants X $3000 = $36,000,000,000. Which is cheaper, bringing the undocumented forward and fining them or deporting all of them??? Those that don't come forward are the real criminals. I bet the borders wouldn't be as porous either, would they?
IrishAndProud | May 06, 2010, 01:06 PM EDT
Monsoonman wrote: ""It takes a long time for sunlight to penetrate through concrete." *** Personally, I prefer a jackhammer. It gets the point across, a lot more.
IrishAndProud | May 06, 2010, 01:02 PM EDT
allentown: If you got that annoying little 'Comment has been sent' notice after you posted, it's possible that your post was a bit long (I've found that anything over seven or so lines will result in that). What I've made a habit of doing is highlighting and copying each and every post I've sent before clicking on the 'comment' button, and that way you can paste it right back into the box, and break it up into several posts, if need be.
IrishAndProud | May 06, 2010, 12:59 PM EDT
Dennis wrote: "Most of the objections to immigrants are mean-spirited and unsupported." Response: Wrong again, Dennis (as usual). Most of the objections to ILLEGAL ALIENS (not 'immigrants') are dead-on CORRECT...and I just caught you again trying to use the word 'immigrant' instead of 'illegal alien.' I will correct, you every single time I catch you trying that.
FastEddy | May 06, 2010, 11:30 AM EDT
No, " ... Arizona's anti-immigrant law" is not anti-immigrant at all but rather quite pro-legal-immigrant ... and we see that censorship is still alive, too. WTF?
allentown | May 06, 2010, 11:03 AM EDT
Since I went after the author for not writing the truth in this article, my comment was not posted. If this comment is not posted, I will understand that Irish Central has an agenda.
Monsoonman | May 06, 2010, 09:07 AM EDT
"It takes a long time for sunlight to penetrate through concrete"
CLUIDEMAN | May 06, 2010, 07:01 AM EDT
Since you are so astute regarding American Immigration Polcy why don't you mention the Mexican's Government Immigration Policy. I pity an illegal irish person caught in Mexico celebrating "Cinco De Mayo".
DennisQ | May 06, 2010, 06:17 AM EDT
Sully, the belief that immigrants are hurting America seems to be a tenet of some kind of faith. Such documentation as exists shows just the opposite - that immigrants contribute far more than their "cost" - however it is calculated. Most of the objections to immigrants are mean-spirited and unsupported.
sully1167 | May 06, 2010, 02:22 AM EDT
Illegal is Illegal, it does not matter if Illegal Invaders are red heads from Ireland,blond haired scandanavians etc. The majority just happen to be from Mexico and Central America. Tom Deignan,you are just in denial. Face reality, Illegal Entry is hurting the US economy and the enviroment. This has been a problem for decades,The federal govt has chosen to turn a blind eye. They now need to step up to the plate.
rpmschevy | May 06, 2010, 12:45 AM EDT
manofaran give you Ted Kennedy anyday? Wow, a murderer who got off because of family name, a man who failed to uphold the Constitution, that he swore to do so. Sure McVey is scum who killed people, but Kennedy was a criminal as well, just one that never did any time. Get the facts, and your spelling, straight.
FastEddy | May 05, 2010, 09:42 PM EDT
" ... So what’s the deal? Are the Irish and Mexicans inclined to criminality or law enforcement? ... " It takes one to know one?
LoveDoolin | May 05, 2010, 07:17 PM EDT
The difference between the Irish immigrants and the illegal immigrants of today...the Irish immigrants (our grandparents, great-grandparents, etc.), came to this county to work...not figure out ways to have the government pay for their existence. Our ancestors built the USA's road, bridges, railroads, and risked their lives in the coal mines every day. Don't even compare today's illegal immigrants to the Irish immigrants of the 19th/20th century. There is no comparison.
IrishAndProud | May 05, 2010, 05:25 PM EDT
Incidentally, maofaran...what 'Tim McVeigh types' did Hannity recently 'cheer'? Can you be more specific? You wouldn't by chance be broadbrushing conservatives again, would you? I hate to disappoint you, but the Times Square bomber is not only a Pakistani Muslim...and also a Democrat, it turns out (surprise, surprise...yawn).
IrishAndProud | May 05, 2010, 04:59 PM EDT
btw, Tom...the very title of your article (let alone its content) is inaccurate. It's the anti-ILLEGAL ENTRY law, not anti-immigration. Surely you're educated enough to know the difference between 'immigrant' and 'illegal alien.' In fact I think you know the difference full-well, but like the p.c.-trained leftist you are, you blankedly call illegal aliens 'immigrants' simply to slander those who disagree with you.
IrishAndProud | May 05, 2010, 04:55 PM EDT
And you can have Mary Jo Kopechne too, manofaran. Teddy was never more than a regional liberal, who couldn't even beat Jimmy Carter in his own party's primary (and whose old seat was just handed to the GOP by the voters in Massachussetts). Sean Hannity (even though I myself don't listen to him) is the #2 talk show host in the NATION, which shows he has a following in this center-right nation (which gave fellow Irishman Ronald Reagan 49 out of 50 states).
manofaran | May 05, 2010, 04:19 PM EDT
Sean Hanity is an idiot, who robes his so called charity and recently cheered Tim MCVey types at town hall deal. McVey was a terrorist, who murdered innocent civilians. Give me ted Kennedy any day. And Billo is another lying fool.
IrishAndProud | May 05, 2010, 03:20 PM EDT
KMcSinger wrote: "Well said Tom! And let's not forget, all the 9/11 bombers were here LEGALLY." *** Yes, which is why there should be much tougher scrutiny for LEGAL immigrants, as well (particularly those of Muslim faith)...and certainly no slacking off on the ILlegals.
IrishAndProud | May 05, 2010, 03:14 PM EDT
murphy66 wrote: "The Irish are, by nature, anarchists." *** Well certainly not this policeman. He's a breath of fresh air. So was Reagan. Sean Hannity could be mentioned, as well. Certainly all refreshing from the Ted Kennedy types. I guess it just goes to show that the Irish have the full spectrum of politics, just like any other people.
KMcSinger | May 05, 2010, 01:53 PM EDT
Well said Tom! And let's not forget, all the 9/11 bombers were here LEGALLY.
baldon73 | May 05, 2010, 01:42 PM EDT
It's about the Illegal Immigrants in Arizona,and the crime more than anything else. Gangs,Killings, Drug Smuggling,Kidnappings,and Human Trafficking has created a Siege in the State. Social Services,School Districts,hospitals and Jails are overwhelmed to the breaking point,and something had to be done.
murphy66 | May 05, 2010, 01:15 PM EDT
The Irish are, by nature, anarchists.
Searlit | May 05, 2010, 10:17 AM EDT
People, let's not turn it into an ethnic battle. There are 12 million Mexican illegals in the US, then there are I don't know how many legal Mexican immigrants here. This is about the amont of people that are arriving here in a short amount of time leading to a crisis in border states. I'm not pro Arizona's new law, but I don't like to see comparisons with Irish immigration where the numbers were in the thousands and spread over an extended period.
Fran Connor | May 05, 2010, 10:06 AM EDT
It's interesting how you describe someone who has a different point of view than yourself (somone who is against illegal immigration) as "ranting". I'm sure you also call political commentators who are not "progressive" as "talking heads".
DLW12183 | May 05, 2010, 09:27 AM EDT
In all my trips to Ireland I have been required to have papers to get in. Do you think I could immigrate to Ireland without the Irish government giving me permission. I can't even get in and out of Canada without a passport. People get real. This is about orderly immigration in accordance with the rules.
IdahoIrish | May 05, 2010, 09:26 AM EDT
Well put Tom.We're all pots calling the kettle black, excepting our Native Americans - Including those in/from Mexico.
HoundofUlster | May 05, 2010, 08:59 AM EDT
Man is an ejjit. Why are the Irish so pure and the Hispanics unpure? Where is his KKK hat?