Are the Irish liberal or conservative? GOP’s Paul Ryan meet Sister Megan Gillespie Rice
By: Tom Deignan | Published Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 2:01 PM | Updated Wednesday, December 19, 2012, 2:01 PM
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| Sister Megan Gillespie Rice |
Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan, meet fellow Irish American Megan Gillespie Rice.
As the political world debated Romney’s pick – which means that for the first time, two Irish Catholics will be vying for the vice presidency –Gillespie Rice was doing some political work of her own.
Sister Megan, as she is known, is a Manhattan native and activist nun who has been arrested over 40 times throughout her busy career.
Now 82, her most recent action landed her on the front page of The New York Times this past Saturday.
Earlier this summer, Sister Megan and two accomplices carried out what the Times called “the biggest security breach in the history of (America’s) atomic complex,” breaking into the Oak Ridge nuclear reservation in Tennessee.
Sister Megan, in short, is a left-wing Irish Catholic activist, a label she would surely wear proudly, just as the anti-war Berrigan brothers did in the 1960s, as many members of the Catholic Worker movement did, and as activist groups such as the Catholic Radial Alliance did back in the 1930s (which was founded, incidentally, by one priest named O’Toole and another named – you guessed it – Rice).
Anyway, the next day, another Irish Catholic was in the news, this one named Paul Ryan, a darling of the American conservative movement.
Which begs the question -- who represents Irish American politics better, Ryan or Sister Megan?
A few weeks back I wrote a column about Irish America’s tense relationships with African Americans and racism. Over 100 folks commented on the story on irishcenteral.com and I received loads of e-mails, some thoughtful, others not so much.
And by the way, the debate rages on. In this Sunday’s New York Times Book Review, an article about race riots in Chicago specifically referred to problems caused by the “mostly Irish police force.”
But at the heart of the question of Irish Americans and race is the bigger question of Irish American liberalism and conservativism. Who is the face of Irish American politics -- Kennedy or Reagan?
More and more, as people like Ryan rise to prominence, it seems to be Reagan. Conservative Republican Irish Americans are very easy to spot these days. Look at the podium during the GOP convention later this month when the keynote speech is given and you will see Ryan’s fellow Irish American, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.
Quite a few people have traced how the Irish evolved from loyal Democrats until the 1950s and 1960s, when they started trickling, then flooding, to the Republican or independent lines.
What people have talked about less is whether or not Irish Catholics (voters as well as politicians) have specific responsibilities based on their backgrounds.
After all, people love flaunting their Irish Catholic roots. On St. Patrick’s Day, Republicans and Democrats love talking about where their grandparents came from in Ireland.
But doesn’t that also mean you should have sympathy for 21st century immigrants?
Kissing babies after Mass makes a great photo-op. But does that also mean you should obey the church’s teaching on gays, poverty, abortion and the death penalty? Or confront the church over these contentious issues?
Ryan himself waded into this by claiming that his ultra-conservative budget plan was actually in line with Catholic social teaching.
This prompted criticism from, among others, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops because, as Gerald Beyer recently noted in America magazine, “Official Catholic social teaching has long accorded a positive role for the government in protecting the economic rights and well-being of people.”
The sad truth is that most Irish Americans are not true to their Irish or Catholic roots.
Republicans too often bash immigrants and the poor. Democrats too often are condescending towards religion.
So, who is the true face of Irish American politics?
Right now? Nobody.
(Contact “Sidewalks” at
tomdeignan@earthlink.net or
tdeignan.blogspot.com)
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.KweenOHearts | Sep 10, 2012, 03:25 PM EDT
Notice that the morally and mentally bankrupt, only in their mind "tolerant and enlightened" left minions, have nothing but name calling and insults as response to those who do not think as they do. To wit: the dribble posted by pilib04 and seanomelb
eiriamach | Sep 02, 2012, 03:23 PM EDT
"Nobody" is "the true face of Irish American politics"? Really? On the liberal vs conservative issues mentioned in this article ("gays, poverty, abortion and the death penalty"), research shows that Obama's face is the face of Irish America. According to the Pew Research Center Report of 12 Aug. 2012, "While most Catholics who are aware of the bishops’ protests agree with their concerns, about half of Catholic voters (51%) say Barack Obama best reflects their views on social issues such as abortion and gay rights; 34% say Mitt Romney best reflects their views on these issues. Obama’s lead on social issues among Catholics is about as wide as his lead among all voters (50% to 36%)." Apparently, the bishops have not persuaded Catholics to abandon the values of the Berrigans and Sister Megan.
jamieLM | Aug 21, 2012, 10:34 AM EDT
Irish Americans are liberal, conservative, and everything in between on the political spectrum. We are not one united voting block.
seanomelb | Aug 20, 2012, 07:32 PM EDT
I never said it was alright hooligan,unfortunately it's the wealthy right who push for wars and they are the first to protect their progenies from the call-up by ant means whatsoever. With all respect as a Nam vet you should realise the futility of war and who gained from your brave actions. I salute your service to your country but your politics may be wrong.
hooligan6a | Aug 20, 2012, 12:25 PM EDT
seanomelb, Clinton and many, many democrats, also dodged the draft, but that was alright with you lefties. Right?According to you, I must be a scoundrel, because I am a very patriotic veteran of the Korean and Vietnam wars.
johnshiel | Aug 20, 2012, 12:00 PM EDT
good theme: are Irish lib or sane - but it's got to be "how fast are they wising up?" not static snaps but rate of change...
seanomelb | Aug 18, 2012, 10:26 PM EDT
Why not patriotic Americans?? republicans do not have any specific rights to patriotism Seanmor!! I find it shameful that the likes of Bush,Cheney and Rumsfeld dodged the draft and send the middle classes off to fight their illegal wars. patriotism is the last outpost of a scoundrel(such as your little Gods mentioned above)BTW I wore the uniform of my country (Ireland). Four more years Seanmor.
curtisjohnson | Aug 18, 2012, 10:10 PM EDT
The burden of Obama's plan to tax the "rich" will largely fall on small business owners who create most of the new jobs in the economy. It will do little to affect the net wealth of the 1%.
curtisjohnson | Aug 18, 2012, 10:09 PM EDT
The left-right dichotomy in American politics is largely over blown - Obama's presidency has effectively been a continuation of Bush albeit more exteme in terms of spending (and Bush was much more extreme in terms of social spending than Clinton). Obamacare is really a sell out to insurance and drug lobbies - it will do nothing to control costs. JFK was a giant compared to any of the modern politicians (modern anglo smear biographies notwithstanding) and was the last leader who could have been considered a true populist.
Seanmor | Aug 18, 2012, 08:53 PM EDT
God Bless America, a great nation whose laws and customs millions of Irish Americans respect. As a poor Irish (legal) Irish immigrant in NYC in the late '50s, no Republican ever bashed me or any of my fellow "greenhorns". Soon I and about 10 others from the same parish in Ireland enlisted in the U.S. military. During my 4 years in the Marine Corps I was required to have my green card in my possession at all times, and no Republican faulted me for lack of U.. citizenship. I make NO apology for being a loyal, law-abiding, tax-paying U.S. citizen who supports patriotic Republicans at every opportunity.
patrickesq | Aug 18, 2012, 08:25 PM EDT
I agree with eiriamach, who contrasted JFK and Ryan very well and factually. The Republicans have become the Party of and for extremists. Coincidentally they get much of their financial support from the 'fat cat' 1% ters, whose interests they most carefully guard! Under their leadership America will no longer be the 'land of opportunity', but rather, the land of opportunists.
aloistmartin | Aug 18, 2012, 07:07 PM EDT
Protestant/Catholic, Republican/Unionist, Liberal/Conservative, Democrat/Republican, Fine Gael/Fianna Fail .... Socialism/Communism ?
eiriamach | Aug 18, 2012, 06:17 PM EDT
JFK in 1961, definitely no centrist on govt's role: "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.... To that world assembly of sovereign states, the United Nations, our last best hope,... we renew our pledge of support.... Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths, and encourage the arts and commerce.... Now the trumpet summons us again ... to a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself." If he were alive today, he'd be telling the GOP, "ask rather what you can do for your country," for example, paying their fair share of taxes. Ryan voted to withhold US funds from the UN, his budget would increase the wealth of high earners by 12% immediately and end govt commitments to the poor, he'd end NPR and arts funding, and leave science research to hold bake sales to raise money. "Poverty, disease"? Not gov't's concern, he says. "War"? He'd increase defense spending. "Tyranny"? He favors the plutocratic form. Ryan and Kennedy--worlds apart.
mecostigan | Aug 18, 2012, 12:33 PM EDT
JFK would have been considerred as a centrist rather than a leftist were he alive today. In addition, the characterization of Republicans as bashing "immigrants and the poor" is untrue and disengenious at best. What Republicans do have a problem with is illegal immigration and individuals who game the system to get as much government freebies as possible instead of being a productive part of the work force. We have to decide and soon whether we will be a nation of makers or takers.
BrianO | Aug 18, 2012, 10:58 AM EDT
Seano what does putting ones genitalia in certain places have to do with politics?
hancock | Aug 18, 2012, 01:43 AM EDT
Sean, nobody cares what you think you Aussie know it all windbag. Tom, you idiot, Irish Americans are both Conservatives and Liberals.
seanomelb | Aug 17, 2012, 08:29 PM EDT
mammy'sboy is a true teabagger
pilib04 | Aug 17, 2012, 08:15 PM EDT
mommaOBoys, speak for yourself. Sister Rice is representative of Catholics. Just because you are a rightwing bigot, does not mean you have a right to disparage the good sister.
MommaOBoys | Aug 17, 2012, 07:04 PM EDT
Not true at all. The Republican Party believes in affirming life from womb to tomb. The Republican Party believes in "Teaching a man to fish" so that he is not dependent on others to take care of him. The Republican Party believes that charity begins at home and the less fortunate must be helped to help themselves. The Republican Party believes that the laws of the land must be enforced. No one gets a free ride. You must follow the rules of the country you live in. If you didn't come in legally then you're not entitled to Government handouts. And they believe in a Hand Up, not a hand out. If you don't agree with these statements then by all means please vote Democratic, but please don't hold up a nun who doesn't follow the teachings of her vocation as a model of what a Catholic is. She is no more a Catholic than Karl Marx. Catholic in name only doesn't make you one. You have to live ALL aspects of the faith, not just the ones you like.
seanomelb | Aug 17, 2012, 06:46 PM EDT
Nicomax!!Ask Clinton he left 1.7 Billion in the kitty and Bush spent it like a drunken sailor.
Nicoletta | Aug 17, 2012, 02:30 PM EDT
Why does everything have to be so polarized? It is possible to be a faithful Catholic, pro-life (as the vast majority of Irish, south and north are), against the death penalty, guns and nuclear power and for universal health care (as is the Pope btw).
Nicomax | Aug 17, 2012, 02:22 PM EDT
If we are to return to Clinton-era spending levels as a % of GDP, then in order to lower, if not eliminate, annul deficits, we will also need to raise revenue back up to Clinton-era levels- also about 20%. Currently at 15% they are at 50 year lows. Any suggestions on getting more revenue into the mix?
jflanagan | Aug 17, 2012, 12:47 PM EDT
If you had any budgetary experience, you wouldn't be calling Congressman Ryan's budget plan ultra-conservative. The sad thing is my Democratic party has no budget plan to reduce spending to get us back to the President Clintor era of spending, for a good part of his terms, less than 20% of GDP. We need the budgetary policies seen under Clinton but the present politicians do not have any intent of curtailing spending so the private sector can rise again.
Porickseantuny | Aug 17, 2012, 10:09 AM EDT
Irish who came to the US prior to the advent of the welfare state heeded the bibcal admonition in Paul's second letter to the Thessalonians. If they will not work, they will not eat. A generation ago my father, returning from his first trip to Ireland said "they're all on the dole"
wilhoef | Aug 17, 2012, 10:04 AM EDT
That's why Ireland is in such bad financial shape. Get it?
bogsidebunny | Aug 17, 2012, 09:58 AM EDT
Many 3rd & 4th generation "Irish-Americans" who have never set foot in the country or paid a 2-week coach tour believe most Irish are "Strict-Conservative Catholics. Nothing could be further from the truth. Almost all Irish are very, very far to the Left when it comes to ideology. As a matter of fact this site aired an article recently that said a poll of Irish showed only 3% would vote for Romney. Even Paul Ryan's pick as VP hasn't changed matters. The Irish are solid Socialists, who believe the State is the bebefactor of the public and welfare programs are Item #1 on the "DO NOT TOUCH" list.