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There are good priests and bishops in Ireland today - Naming three men who have made a major difference

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A truly pastoral church is what is needed in Ireland today, one responsive to the wishes of the people rather than a bureaucracy in Rome at the Vatican.

The church in Ireland has long been divided between the Celtic and Roman affiliations.

The Celtic church adherents stress the pastoral nature of the church, the need to be at one with their flock and deal with the problems that arise on the pastoral level. It is locally based and grounded.

That is the traditional message of the Irish church as first expressed by St. Patrick who brought the faith to Ireland.

Current Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin recognized that reality soon after coming back from Ireland to Rome and focused on the core message of regaining the faith of those who had been abused and those appalled by that.

He took over from the dense philosopher Desmond Connell who was all at sea with the pastoral role and allowed the evildoers to run amok.

The Vatican did all in it power to cover up its scandals under Connell but Martin was having none of it.

He was a very determined Irishman. standing with the most vulnerable against the powerful, including many of his own colleagues.

He understands that what the average parishioner thinks, rather than what a Vatican Curia member wants to cover up is far more important in Ireland today with the church on its knees.

The former Bishop of Killaoe in Clare, Willie Walsh was a similar figure, one who came down from the ivory tower and who confessed openly to doubts about his faith but who strove at all times to be human and caring.

Another one, Father Iggy O'Donovan, is one of the finest priests I have known.

He officiated at my mother's funeral mass and is a long time friend of my family.

He loves to call a spade a spade as he did when recently speaking to the Drogheda Independent.

When the issue of seal of the confessional came up Iggy was typically direct.

‘ There was a huge issue made of a report that priests may now have to report things told in the confession box but everyone seems to have ignored the obvious, people hardly go to confession anymore,’ he stated.

‘ Who will be impacted by this proposed rule, very few, believe me,’ he continued.

As to the ramifications of the report from Cloyne into the church's malfeasance Iggy calls a spade a spade

He feels the latest report into the Church and its handling of abuse is more serious than all the rest.

‘I don’t think it’s finished yet and I speak for myself when I wonder am I part of an inept and incompetent institution.

‘People have been saying to me how can all this have happened and I know it will hit mass numbers more.’

"However, the damning part is that the Church did not keep to its own guidelines, never mind the State.

‘Did we forget that abusing a child is wrong, no matter about guidelines?’

‘All that seems like another world when you read the likes of the Cloyne Report,’ he stated

‘There was blind loyalty to the institution and the need to avoid a scandal at all costs. The irony is that all that caused an even bigger scandal and the hierarchy now has an incredible lack of street credibility’.

His belief is that the Church is on borrowed time.

‘You could say it’s a bit like Fianna Fail (Formerly Ireland's main political party almost wiped out in last election over scandals) . It’s a culmination of things that led to a backlash. I fear the Church will be hit by one report too many.

‘My feeling is sadness, most of all for those that suffered. The cover ups were the biggest sins of all.’

Iggy knows what the Watergate conspirators knew and the Vatican can never seem to learn-- its the cover up stupid.

If the church in Ireland had more men like Donovan, Martin and Walsh it would all look very different.


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the really good priests and bishops left the roman church long ago, the rest are here to learn lifes' lessons as they teach the rest not to trust them. They do serve gods plan!
WELL SAID LilPaddy.i have sent registered mail to him also and got no response.I think , that they think, if they leave things long enough we will all be in heaven and they wont have to deal with us anymore. At least we wont have to deal with them there because they will all be in hell for their sins.
Boy Oh Boy! Having read this ass kissing account by i.c's N.O'D***, and then reading the majority of the comments below, it is obvious that Mr. O'D*** needs to take his head out of his ar**... What a three dollar bill.... Firstly, if Bishop Martin was as "up front" as Mr. O'D*** would have you believe? Why then would Bishop Martin not respond to information I provided (via registered mail) that included a dvd made by myself, that gave proof that The Oblates of Mary Immumaculate (Inchicore, Dublin) and thus The Vatican, knew about molestings in an Irish Instituition since at least as far back as the mid 1950's... WITH THIS VERY SAME INFORMATION SENT TO Mr.O'D**d... And my email records show that Mr.O'D responded (2 yr.ago), but would not print a word of it on I.C. The question then should be asked of Mr.O'D. as to WHY NOT? In the event that this gets past the i.c. "screening process"? You should of course call N.O'D... And you can then call me@951 264 7103 and ask for details (and/or) the dvd... The truth should not be filtered by The Vatican OR I.Ce***a*.... AND TO YOU commenter McNamara31 below Re: lines 4&5 of your comment, you have no idea of just how right on you are....
Gearoid must be really on your mind for some reason - I expect that your previous post was directed at me, Eiriamach. I have never indicated disdain for the "social work" aspect of priesthood- what I am saying is that the priest, first and foremost, has at the core of the vocation to priestly ministry the task of caring for and saving souls. That takes many forms, but primaraly, as the Church teaches, through the sacraments, which are "efficacious signs of grace, instituted by Christ and entrusted to the Church, by which divine life is dispensed to us". I have never suggested that priests should be distant from the material needs of the people; I have said that their role goes far deeper than this - a role that, for a Catholic, cannot be filled by a social-worker, doctor, psychologist or politician. This is not triumphalism or clericalism- but rather a priest recognising his place and role in the Church, just as the laity have their role in the Church- these are certainly things which Vatican II discussed, however the real vision of the council has never been realised (rather, it has been hijacked), because if it had been, we actually would not be witnessing this confusing and unhealthy blurring of the lines between clergy and laity, the sacramental priesthood and the priesthood of the people, which Vatican II itself defined very clearly.
Is that it 3. I Will say this ,Archbishop Martin is a great man with words , lets see some action ,then the Church in Ireland may have some chance of a future. Start by looking after the victims.
Gearoid4, your disdain for the "social work" aspects of priestly vocation, in which priests work in a pastoral way with people with both spiritual and material needs, does suggest clericalism. And your insistence that Roman Catholicism alone is true Christianity because it distances itself from the problems of this world does suggest triumphalism and rejection of ecumenical efforts to unite Christians. The "authentic role" of priests is not to be aloof from the deep needs of church for reform at every level and at all times. The faithful, heeding the words of people like Enda Kenny, will take up the work of reform and restore the ancient roles of priests in their liturgical and pastoral functions. But they will also recognize the roles of others as teachers, ministers of various kinds, sharers in the work and spirit of the gospels, and creators of community. In other words, the reforms envisioned by Vatican II are on their way.
When de Bert told de peeple to commit suicide was he commiting a Sin...according to the laws of the Catlick Church? If he told peeple to have an abortion or commit euthanasia...Supposin' a junkie loser took de Bert's advice and the junkie loser's motherFFer continued to be one of FF's staunchest supporters would that be considered 'normal' in the minds of right thinking people..? Like the man said 'they FF*ck you up your mum and dad'..assuming there is a dad like...!
The same people who (in days of yore) expected the Church to solve all of their problems, now blame the Church for all of their problems. The cycle of dependency goes on unabated.
Can some of the Holy Terrorists explain this to me...does the Catlick Church consider Suicide i.e. self murder in the same way as they consider abortion/euthanasia murder...surely they must... it's taking sacred life after all...And is someone drove someone else to suicide would they consider that aiding and abeting self/murder...?Just askin' like..
eiriamach - "clericalism" and "Catholic triumphalism" is not the same as recognising and stating the authentic role of a priest. Priests do not equal clericalism! I was merely pointing out the fact that the role of a priest is much more than that of a mere do-gooder. Yes, doing good is essential if one wishes to follow Christ - every Christian, not just priests, are called to do good. However, a priest is ordained to teach the faith through teaching, but especially to bring Christ to others through the sacraments. It is no less than Our Lord commanded when he said "Do this in memory of Me" and "those whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven; whose sins you retain are retained". This has been the model of a priest in the Church for 2000 years - for a priest to abandon these commands in favour of being merely a "social-worker in a collar" is, essentialy, to reject the very essence of the priesthood itself. That is not triumphalism, nor is it clericalism - it is being Christ to others in precisely the way Christ Himself calls us to do so.
pilib04, Fr. Des Wilson currently has an article on the Assn. of Catholic Priests in Ireland web site. It's about the new disclosure law, and it seems to me that the scenarios he imagines are wildly over-stated.
Carroll09, "social workers in collars" is not a bad idea at all for priests! It's a far more Christlike role than your clericalism and your Catholic triumphalism. I'm not yet convinced about AB Martin. I'm waiting for him to embrace reform. An interviewer with the 'Vatican Insider' asked him, "What impact has the Cloyne report had on Catholics and public opinion in Ireland?" AB Martin replied, "It raised a lot of anger and confusion at the fact that a diocese had declared its adherence to the rules of the Church when in actual fact it was not abiding by them at all.” Really? Was the reason for anger over the Cloyne Report that Bishop Magee was NOT following the Vatican's wishes in dealing with clerical child abuse, or that he WAS carrying out Rome's wishes? When asked whether Vatican officials were fully aware of the Cloyne Report, the AB answered, "Rome has proposed a course of action which I fully support and is the only course to follow. In this sense, Rome supports and encourages the course that I and the Irish episcopate are following." Is AB Martin saying that the Irish bishops and the Vatican are in full accord about how to deal with child abuse by clergy? Was that true in 1997? Was it true during the time frame covered by the Cloyne Report? The Archbishop is walking a very narrow line and might tumble over onto one side or the other, and the Rome side, I fear, is the likelier tumble.
Interesting that Niall left out Father Desmond Wilson, oft referred to as the Desmond Tutu of Ireland. Father Wilson has dedicated his life, at great personal risk, to the cause of justice in Northern Ireland.
@Carroll09 - "Where two or three are gathered in my name"........AND?????
The average age of priests in Ireland is 68. All of them knew about the abuse scandals being hushed up and none of them spoke out. That is all I have to say.
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