The real truth about the Boston College taped IRA interviews
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Moloney and McIntyre are now trying to sue to stop the tapes from being handed over to the Police Service of Northern Ireland after a Boston judge found that Boston College had to surrender the interviews.
The judge found that they may contain information that police in Northern Ireland want to follow up with regarding crimes committed by the IRA.
McIntyre is on the record as saying that they had complete certainty from Boston College that the interview participants, all former IRA members or Loyalist members, had indemnity.
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Here is what McIntyre told a radio interviewer: “The assurances from Boston College were very firm."
“In 2000, when the project was first mentioned, I asked specifically, what would be the arrangements?
“I was told by the Boston College representative, whom I met in Belfast, that under no circumstances would they accept archival material into their library to form part of their archive if there was any possibility, the remotest possibility, of legal repercussions, for those who had donated their interviews.
“And they were very specific about this. The Loyalist researcher also asked them the same thing. And he was told it was firewalled against any legal incursion from the British.
“[Q:] Did you have that in writing? Did you have legal assurances?
“[McIntyre:] We had a contract in writing, a Donation Agreement, which was given to the people concerned, the people who were doing the interviews, which explicitly stated that they, at all times, would be in control of the release of the information and only they, and no one else, could release it prior to the death.”
How then does this gel with a Boston College affidavit introduced in the court which directly denies this statement?
The affidavit states, "Prior to the commencement of the project, Robert K. O’Neill, the Burns librarian (where the tapes were to be housed) cautioned Moloney that although he had not spoken yet with Boston College’s counsel, the library could not guarantee the confidentiality of the interviews in the face of a court order.”
Here is a fax from O’Neill to Moloney sent in May of 2000:
“A further affidavit states . . . each interviewee of the project was to be given a contract guaranteeing confidentiality ‘to the extent that American law allows.’”
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And here is what Jack Dunn, a spokesman for Boston College says:
“I think that our good friends in Ireland seem to lack a fundamental understanding of the American legal process. We fought the fight and the fight was lost. And our hope is that the second round of the fight may prove differently.
“I think what hasn’t been stated here is that when this agreement was reached, an agreement was signed between Boston College and Ed Moloney that stated that each interviewee is to be given a contract guaranteeing confidentiality to the extent that American law allows.
“That seems to be forgotten by Mr. McIntyre and Mr. Moloney. That they were told to tell the interviewees that the confidentiality would be given to the extent that American law allows…
“The (donation) agreement between Moloney and McIntyre is bound by an earlier agreement, Agreement ‘A,’ which states each interviewee is to be given a contract guaranteeing confidentiality to the extent American law allows.”
So Boston College is clear on that, and Moloney and McIntyre, either through legal inexperience or not checking properly, continued with the interviews on shaky legal grounds, which have now precipitated an almighty furor.
As I have written before, the Boston College project was deeply flawed form the start.
Both Moloney and McIntyre are arch critics of Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams, and the only people interviewed were of the same opinion.
The lack of academic objectivity to begin with should have been clear to anyone who cared to check, as Boston College should have.
Now Moloney and McIntyre are defending the indefensible. They initiated a “Get Gerry Adams” project, roped in a gullible Boston College and it has now blown up in their faces.
Moloney and McIntyre can point the finger of blame not at Boston College or the courts but squarely where it belongs -- at themselves.
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seamus60 | Jan 22, 2012, 11:46 AM EST
but just how will these archives pull down Adams.
You want the truth for the history books you don`t want it because of its authors. Who by the way, have brought issues to light that we as republicans weren
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AnPiobaire | Jan 20, 2012, 01:52 PM EST
Thank you, Niall, for telling it like it is. From the very first moment I heard of this project, I groaned at the gullibility of BC. It's a great school and has done some wonderful things for Irish scholarship, but on a few glaring examples, such as this and the time they bestowed an honour on Margaret Thatcher in the wake of the hunger strikes, they got things spectacularly wrong. Before the usual suspects start screaming "censorship", I fully agree that the interviewees McIntryre and Maloney chose should have had the right to fully tell their stories and give their opinions if they wished to(although they should have been made fully aware of the risks). As anywone familiar with the issues and personalities and willing to face reality will admit, however, both men set out to pull the wool over the eyes of the archivists by providing people whom they presented as telling the full story, whilst only telling the story from "A to C" instead of "A to Z". Every move made by both men is designed to further the inplacable aim of pulling down Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein. McIntryre is not a "researcher" but a partisan republican whose view of things was rejected, in favour of Adams', by most other republicans, and will spend the rest of his life begrudging that. Maloney is a "journalist" who long ago decided that his easiest meal ticket was to disparage Adams and the peace process at every step. I have no problem with the truth of historic events being revealed and letting the chips fall where they may; my problem is with those who allow these two to masquerade as objective observers and portrayers of the story.
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seamus60 | Jan 18, 2012, 01:18 PM EST
Many ex IRA men have given interviews. Theres some of them now elected representitives who make quite a nice wee tax free earner on the side telling stories to anyone with £25.
Surely if Mackers and Maloney entered into this as a means of implicating Adams, Marian Price and the Darks interviews would have been suffice under normal circumstances.
Normal circumstances like when 100`s of republicans went to prison on the word of supergrass`s, whilst Adams and Mc Guiness enjoyed immunity from prosecution certs.Like when Marian Price is interned without trial and now being persued on the very issue of her statement, most likely as a means of keeping her incarcerated because of her political beliefs.
Lots of this normal stuff from yesteryear still in play by all accounts. Ex prisoners who had fought their way to political status and watched as their comrades died of hunger, only to find out they have criminal records that hinder them in obtaining employment or travel restrictions.
Hundreds of the worst vermin in the RUC intell etc back in the ranks via the back door.
But hey none of this normalisation will be allowed to interfere with the most highest bearded one.
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joeustace | Jan 18, 2012, 10:21 AM EST
"Complete certainty" they had "indemnity". Meaningless. The extent of American law was apparently misunderstood by these men, but how could that be so? All types of confidential and incriminating info is routinely compelled by grand jury subpoenas. COuld they not know? Or is this their anti-Adams purpose in action.
And what kind of IRA man gives interviews to journalists under any "agreement"?
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seamus60 | Jan 14, 2012, 11:43 AM EST
Spot on Joe.
As an active republican since my teens in the seventies, who had always been with the majority within the belief that our leadership were on a par of being able to keep the brits at bay via propaganda etc. When ever this belief had reason to faulter, it was the brits themselves who came to the exposed leaderships aid. With the old statements like the RA`s great assett being individuals within the leadership. Individuals highlighted by choice of the brits. We now know why thanks to the likes of Maloney and Mackers.
Just how many journalists rush to the defence of anyone in the knowledge that the individual has such poor wisdom in straight forward matters of sheltering and worse the promotion of a peadophile.
Niall will eventually have to side with what shines through as most truthful via disclosures from the right sources.
Of course journalists will play the game of political correctness as its percieved at any particular time.We only have to look at the Hunger strike issue, where few republicans are now in any doubt as to who was and is telling the truth.
So far this appears to be news that doesn`t warrant media disection.
No spotlight programmes or the such for an issue like this, for fear it could destabalise this great peace process that was turned down in the seventies.
This great peace process built on a foundation of lies from ALL involved.
It is not easy coming out Niall as pride can be a terrable thing, depending on how much of it you have used foolishly window dressing a fake like the bearded one.
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JoeDalton | Jan 13, 2012, 02:09 PM EST
I broadly agree with the points made my MollyMaureen. Niall you accuse Moloney and McIntyre of being critics of Adams, which they are, and consequently imply that all of their writings on Northern Ireland should be regarded as biased against Adams and treated with suspicion. I believe that your belief in the inherent greatness of Gerry Adams has in fact made you biased and this is reflected in how you react to any criticism of Adams. Moloney and McIntyre's journalism has resulted in all of us with an interest to be far better informed on what actually happened during the peace process.
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RedBranch | Jan 13, 2012, 12:57 PM EST
OK posters, what's the one thing the British Govt. and Niall O'Dowd have in common? Answer: Their affinty for Gerry Adams. True there may be different reasons. Niall believes that Gerry is the one man who will re-unite Ireland, tell Europe to go screw and bring back dancing at the crossroads. The British believe he was the man to deliver the IRA and agree to a internal settlement where NI is still British. So far it looks like the British are correct in their assessment. Neither will say that Mr.Adams was not only a member but a leader of the IRA. Hence this column will always come to the defence of Mr.Adams despite evidence to the contrary. Any 'evidence' in these tapes will be dismissed as 'anti peace process' and its contributers and organizers likewise. What is interesting is that any deviations from the Adams SF/IRA narrative on 1969-97 will be quashed and that my friends is an indictment of the First Amendment if ever there was one!
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cillowen | Jan 12, 2012, 06:34 PM EST
the brit and amer gov are one in protection of their
Saxon interests. Have they forgotton the Malvinas, their war over Argentina - reagan provided massive support to Iron B thatcher.
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FallsRNat | Jan 12, 2012, 04:03 PM EST
i'm afraid Maureen that how much you despise the brits, they are doing what the Garda, Suretee or any other police force would do in the world and that is pursue evidence from whatever quarter in relation to crimes committed on their soil, they owe that to the victims. Boston College had no right under US law to guarantee the authors and interviewees that they could somehow be exempt from any legal redress, or are you arguing differently
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seamus60 | Jan 12, 2012, 02:52 PM EST
My sincerest apoligies to misters Clarke and Maloney for the mistake in my last post.
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MollyMaureen | Jan 12, 2012, 09:10 AM EST
Also, Mr O'Dowd, in the papers you cite, it is quite clear that the confidentiality agreement was not finalized at that point, which makes your point premature. For example, "Prior to the commencement of the project", "although he had not spoken yet with Boston College’s counsel" - it is clear that you are referring to a point in the project where Boston College's legal counsel had not yet weighed
in.
Which means... absolutely nothing in the picture you are attempting to draw. A librarian offering his opinion before the project started and before he had run it past the lawyers? Piffle. What is important is what you quote Mr McIntyre referring to, which is the Donator's Agreement drawn up by Boston College's legal team. That is the key document, because it is not the opinion of a librarian, nor the opinion of Mr Moloney or Mr McIntyre, it is the legal contract given by Boston College to the interviewees which gives them complete control over their material and confidentiality until their deaths.
So perhaps, Mr O'Dowd, instead of castigating Mr Moloney and Mr McIntyre for not checking facts beforehand, it would have served you well to check some facts of your own before rushing to print with the latest tittle tattle from the dirty tricks department. It would also do you well to remember, in the big picture, whose side you are on - presumably, it is not the Brits. In that case, refocus your ire in the correct direction and fight off this incursion into American academic archives.
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MollyMaureen | Jan 12, 2012, 08:59 AM EST
I find it curious Mr O'Dowd that you are directing your ire at Mr Moloney and McIntyre rather than the British for using our government to violate the First and Fourth Amendments and to damage academic freedom.
As well as the fact that the British are going against the promises they made in relation to the 1998 agreement, where they assured the United States they would not be seeking anyone for pre-1998 crimes.
Yet the villains in your piece are Moloney and McIntyre for the simple act of collecting history - and a very valuable history at that.
You cannot seriously expect your readers to believe that Sinn Fein have not created their own oral history collection, or that Moloney and McIntyre have exclusive rights to documenting the history of the recent conflict. It is ridiculous and an insult to your readers to suggest so, or to feign outrage at their collection.
You do not know who they spoke to and who they didn't; what is know, from court records, is that 26 interviews of Republicans were conducted. Whether they were with pro or anti GFA people, you cannot presume to know and you should not attempt to sway your readers into believing a false assumption.
Even with that, your article leaves the reader confused. Are Moloney and McIntyre legally inexperienced idiots, with your implication that they are stupid and incompetent, or are they capable of 'duping a gullible Boston College'? Is Boston College gullible, with all that implies? Boston College, a law school, a key contributor to the peace process, and yet - gullible enough to be duped by the legally inexperienced duo of Moloney and McIntyre.
Wow! That is some pair. No wonder you are more concerned with them than you are with the Brits.
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