
The Queen's schedule while she is in Ireland is remarkable and a testament to how all has changed utterly in Irish-British relations.
She will visit the Garden of Remembrance in Dublin which honors all those who fell fighting for Irish freedom--and against the monarchy she represents.
One wonders what she will think as she commemorates Fenian dynamiters, IRA volunteers and 'traitors' to the British upper calls like Sir Roger Casement.
It can only be healthy however, to walk in another nation's shoes even for a short time. And it will be good for Ireland too to acknowledge the major effort by the British monarch to lay the past to rest.
The notion a few years ago that the Queen would visit Croke Park, bastion of the GAA, Ireland's home grown games of hurling and football set up in direct opposition to British games like rugby and soccer, is incredible.
For decades, GAA members were now allowed to play soccer or rugby, the infamous ban rule which has long since been banished.
The Hogan Stand there is called after a Tipperary footballer gunned down by the British who attacked the crowd at a Croke Park game during the Irish war of Independence on Bloody Sunday, November 21 1920 .all in the name of the British monarch.
That scene is vividly caught with some Hollywood panache in the movie Michael Collins.
The killings were in retaliation for the Michael Collins inspired wipe-out the same day of the so called 'Cairo Gang' British intelligence operatives who had infiltrated the IRA.
BY allowing this step the GAA has covered itself in glory once again. This week it stood foursquare behind the rights of Catholic men to join the new Northern Ireland police force and members shouldered the coffin of the murdered policeman Ronan Kerr.
As other bastions of Irish life have brought disgrace on their heads such as the Catholic Church and corrupt government, the GAA has been a beacon of hope.
They ended the ban, allowed soccer and rugby internationals in Croke Park, declared their hand early in the peace process and have now welcomed the British queen to the very bastion of anti- British monarchy sentiment in Ireland.
If only other Irish institutions had shown such bravery.
All in all, the queen's visit will bring about a new era where bitter enemies will toast each other's hero's and revisit the old certainties of their sad and sorry histories together.
Hopefully a new chapter will now be written.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.sirpeter | May 08, 2011, 08:05 AM EDT
Realist..I'm saying fu*k you in the ear.You and your loyalist scum type.A loyalist Orange Order man doesn't change his spots. Your KKK orange organization will be silenced.FallsRNat might think the lambeg drum is musically very good but it's nothing more then a burning cross which can look impressive.But it's meaning is oppression. Like the KKK and it's impressive rallies YOU and that KKK Orange Order will fade and die.It was built up by the hands of evil. Nobody will ever get me to except that sh*t.Not even a peace process.
mamaginnty | Apr 29, 2011, 05:57 PM EDT
"The drum doesnt resonate now like it did "you must be a deep sleeper if you do not hear them practice for the Walk, May, June and July they still bang the drum around Nationalist area's, They should be ( musically very good ) with all the practise, the word should read..torment. I dare you to walk through one of thier lines during ..Practice. Catholics were banned this year from celebrating a march st Patricks day in a north town.
johnymac60 | Apr 27, 2011, 12:27 PM EDT
Sorry, Mr Falls, I disagree with the assertion that anti-catholic bias has passed away. It's still alive and well in Belfast, mucker. It's just hidden a little deeper under the surface than it has been. And as for your Orange order visit, would you visit a KKK meeting as well? Say sure they haven't hung a ni&&er in this years now. They are all good lads. Knowing you are a Taig, What do you think these lads would say or do to you when you visit their wee pub for a Guinness after the parade party? I'm all for the peace process, but we aren't outta the woods yet. Let's be realists and not invite the wolf to supper.
barneyjo | Apr 25, 2011, 07:39 PM EDT
@everybody - YEOH!!! SPOT THE FIANNA FAIL VOTERS!!!!!!
Realist | Apr 23, 2011, 05:51 AM EDT
FallsRNat: sirpeter has no credibility. He has just made a complete fool of himself in the face of his own comments being thrown back in his face. His reaction to this, as you can see below, was to call me "scum" and finish with, "Well fu*k ye. Fu*k ye right in the ear". He is his own worst enemy and people will no doubt draw their own conclusions from his 'contributions'.
FallsRNat | Apr 20, 2011, 06:31 PM EDT
sirpeter - at the end of the day, unlike youse, i know i'm not a victim, the beating of the drum doesn't resonate now like it did during the troubles & I have to say that some of the flute bands are musically very good & have competed in European , me mate sean was in portugal watching a cultural festival with all bands - prods, RCs, hindus, muslims evry man & his dog were there. The fallsters are going to try to organise a similar event here - youse know we have held informal talks with the AOH, Shankill Young Defenders & approached french, spanish & eastern european marching bands, the logistics may take a couple of years to organise, but we could have a major festival on our hands. I understand that some Irishmen in County Mayo are trying to get a similar thing going there, so who knows we could have 1 at Easter in the south & 1 in July in the north.
sirpeter | Apr 20, 2011, 03:58 PM EDT
FallsRNat..Wonder why the lambeg drummer stopped? Was he just giving ye a taste of his drumming skills or was he giving ye the old king billy eye.
ancavker | Apr 19, 2011, 01:11 PM EDT
I am not arguing that, and agree with much of what you say. However, you are now qualifying what you have previously stated. I am all for condemning the mistakes, but it has to be on both sides. You condemned the south, and the whole mixed marriage thing, well that is past too. The church in the south no longer holds any real sway, and the educational system is evolving too.
FallsRNat | Apr 19, 2011, 12:50 PM EDT
ancavker - the reason i don't go on about the north & its anti catholic bias is because its disappeared, ancient history. The only people trying to drag us back into the stone age are the dissidents, they must convince us we are victims or their support dries up. This is exactly what has happened here in the North, nobody even the loyalists are suggesting that we go back to the bad old days. 10 of us Fallsters went to watch an orange parade, i'm sure that the lambeg drummer deliberately stopped by us as we were wearing Irish rugby shirts, but while there was a little banter between us, everybody had a good day - this of course is what the dissidents fear, it's never been about bombing the brits out of ireland, that's never gonna happen, but they need to keep us & the ulsterman apart otherwise the CIRA/RIRA know their history, they are, they just haven't worked it out yet. Don't underestimate the power of peace, time will come soon (its already happening) when people from our side of the community are quite rightly giving these people up to the forces of law & order.
ancavker | Apr 19, 2011, 09:38 AM EDT
Falls: And of course the north was just a bastion of progressiveness and tolerance. As Reagan said there you go again, you claim you are unbiased, and yet, and yet, it is only one side that gets criticized.
FallsRNat | Apr 19, 2011, 08:09 AM EDT
demonstrating against the queen's visit, anti british slogans daubed on dublin pubs, banning orange marches, forcing mix marriages to raise children as catholics, catholic schools state funded - eh, i'm catholic even this society isn't for me - i wonder why the loyalists don't give 2 figs for the south.
sirpeter | Apr 17, 2011, 10:46 AM EDT
Realist..Like all loyalist scum you and your kind see what ye want to see,hear sound where there is no sound and replace fact's with fiction. There is alot more insecurity on your side of the fence Buster. There always has been. The only good thing is you lot are 300 miles away from me. I hear over and over the south must reach out to the Loyalist,s,whenever did the loyalist's reach out to the south? Well fu*k ye. Fu*k ye right in the ear.Not everyone on this island will pander to ye.
Realist | Apr 17, 2011, 04:40 AM EDT
sirpeter: Lol....my friend, you sound like you're in tears. You deny advocating violence against HM Queen Elizabeth II but from an earlier post it is abundantly clear you espoused just that. Now, when presented with your own words, you've chosen to further compound the embarrassment with the usual menu of petty name-calling, foul language, and filth. Hey, you've been caught out, though in all honesty any school kid who can read (or could be bothered) would run rings round you. Furthermore, it seems you find the murder of a defenceless 79-year-old man, and those woman and young children that were with him at the time, as somehow funny. I ask again, what's wrong with you? You claim to support Sinn Fein yet you issue statements like, "got what he deserved like any British soldier in my land". Following the deaths of the two soldiers in Antrim and the PSNI officer in Armagh a couple of years ago, Gerry Kelly described it as "murder" and Martin McGuinness stated that those involved in or supporting these acts were, and I quote, "traitors to Ireland". "there is a war on"? Well, not according to Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA. They are both on record as claiming "the war is over". "The British either walk out or get thrown out"? Is that your attempt at 'outreach' to the British Unionists of Northern Ireland who've been there for over 400 years? Enshrined in both the Belfast and St Andrews agreements is the principle of consent. I suggest you give it a read (or have someone read it to you). The more I scan your "contributions" and the barely disguised anger and insecurity with which they are delivered, the more I think you haven't really thought this through properly. You know, you really should consider joining the rest of us in the real World of 2011.
sirpeter | Apr 17, 2011, 12:43 AM EDT
Apr 15, 2011.Quoet"sirpeter has been explicitly advocating violence against the elderly Royal couple for SOME WEEKS now.Unquoet.I hope someone pushes her down some stairs accidentally on purpose. That's it!!!! You're some pri*k!! A fu*kface of the highest degree. As for that murderer Mountbatten BOOOM!!! Got what he deserved like any British soldier in my land. Just because the stupid brits refused to believe there was a war on..That was his stupidity. Now listen to this you little sh*thead. Believe what you want but as long as there is partition and British soldiers in ANY part of Ireland there is a war on.The RIRA OR THE CIRA DON'T CARE WHAT DEALS ARE DONE. What part of my history have you failed to learn from and understand yet?? The British either walk out or get thrown out. We are now asking them again to hurry up and walk out. Realist and FallsRNat enjoy the peace and fall to your knees and thank Sinn Fein for it. By the way you dipsh*t her falling down the stairs was to prevent her coming to Ireland as to prevent something worse happening to her.WW1 was started by a dumb move by a royal family.
sirpeter | Apr 16, 2011, 08:38 PM EDT
sirpeter: On 5th February 2011 at 02:17 Eastern Standard Time you wrote, and I quote, "Liz Windsor can rot in hell as well as her bloodsucking dysfunctional family..I hope someone pushes her down some stairs accidentally on purpose. This one Irishman who won't be greeting the head of the British armed forces. Still we can only hope something might happen..The last time was when we scattered Mountbatten's Imperial ass from Sligo to Donegal in 1979.The crabs ate like royalty that day tee-hee..A great day for Ireland. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. I hope she knows the risks."
sirpeter | Apr 16, 2011, 06:45 PM EDT
ancavker..I don't expect anybody to agree with me on everything I say. BUT..The fact you agree that they had no right to their own mini-state. Then there is the root to all the violence. A small minority can't just decide we'll partition a country against the will of the people. The wrong has to be corrected somehow, it's as simple as that.
sirpeter | Apr 16, 2011, 06:20 PM EDT
FallsRNat..Show me where I said I would be happy with the assassination of British head of state?.I said I would be worried if she was assassinated because only the loyalist would gain from that. It would take money and power to set that up. I said alot of times she was unwelcome.
sirpeter | Apr 16, 2011, 06:07 PM EDT
Realist..You're a dirty liar and a scumbag..Show me those "explicit" words of mine advocating violence towards lizzy for weeks..Throw up those quotes you little loyalist sh*thead. Lets see them.
Liamkeyes | Apr 15, 2011, 03:28 PM EDT
I hope it keeps moving forward.
ancavker | Apr 15, 2011, 10:12 AM EDT
falls: Just to keep you honest, nowhere in your post do you mention Sunningdale, long before the Anglo- Irish agreement, and of course the GFA. As far as the campaigns in the 40'50's they were small time affairs, that caused little to no disruption to the northern Ireland state. And to compare those campaigns to the provos madness is a long stretch. You continue to criticize the past violence violence, but you only criticize it on one side. I disagree with alot of what sirpete states, but historically there is no wrong saying that the plantation of Ulster was wrong, ans that they had no right to partition the country. We know they have been there for 400 hundred years and all nobody is arguing that. However being there that long did not entitle them to their own mini-stae. If they were truly horrified over an independent Ireland, than Scotland was just a short hop across the water. The whites in South Africa have been there as long as the Protestants in Ulster,and they did not get their own state.
Realist | Apr 15, 2011, 04:58 AM EDT
FallsRNat: Sadly, and for reasons best known to himself, sirpeter has been explicitly advocating violence against the elderly Royal couple for some weeks now. It’s all there on this site for anyone who cares to read it. Moreover he has made it clear that the tragic outcome of such an incident would have his enthusiastic blessing. The fact that he and a few other ‘contributors’ seem to believe this would be a good thing for Ireland and that the World’s reaction would be along the lines of, “well that’s payback for blah, blah, blah....” just demonstrates how bewilderingly out of touch they are. At least he’s finally out-of-the-closet on the ‘solution’ to the ‘Unionist issue’ – one option only, and if they “can't accept that, then they should go.” Reality check: the Belfast and St Andrews’ Agreements are clear – it is for the people of Northern Ireland to decide their constitutional status and them alone. This was ratified, by overwhelming democratic mandates, both North and South of the border. For all those self-deluded souls peddling big talk about how these agreements will be unpicked, changed, scrapped, or overridden – think again, it ‘ain’t gonna happen’. On the same topic, the 2008 BBC Hearts and Minds survey (conducted amongst the only people who matter on this – the people of Northern Ireland) concerning the constitutional question returned just over 70% in favour of remaining within the UK. As for a double act with eireinamerica, I doubt it. That would require two different people and I suspect both to be the same 12-year-old kid....lol.
hancock | Apr 15, 2011, 12:13 AM EDT
Martin McGuninss First Minister.
FallsRNat | Apr 14, 2011, 03:49 PM EDT
eireinamerica - youse & sir peter should go on the stage as a double act, i've never had such a laugh as your latest statement - It took the RA to GET to the NEGOTIATING table. We didn't have 30 years of the troubles for PIRA to start peace talks, they fought a war to remove the brits from the island of ireland by the use of violence. No negotiating was considered a viable alternative unless it meant british withdrawal, um, their still here, all 1.35m of them. F*ck me, get out your history books. PIRA's campaign was doomed from the start; loyalist bombs in Dublin 72, 74, also Monaghan, Dundalk finished any thought of a violent reactionary force from the southern people. in the late 80s, early 90s, the loyalist paramilitaries started to out kill the IRA, once the mystique of the NI RC IRA protection force was shown to be no match for this new breed of UFF, the pop support started to fade away. The Irish people in the south got the anglo-irish agreement which while led to Unionist outrage was a splendid ploy by Garret Fitzgerald to change forever the irish mindset of a violence led UI, it enshrined long before the GFA, the principle of consent that only the people of the 6 counties could decide their fate, how unfortunate that PIRA didn't sign up to this, but later signed the GFA which meant the same thing. Al qaeda bombed the US, gone was the sympathy factor for any terrorism from any quarter as Bush waged his war on the terrorists. Not exactly PIRA's finest hour to be caught teaching the communist inspired FARC how to create barrack busting bombs. So there we are after 30 years of violence & many more years back to the outbreaks of the 30s, 40s, 50s & what have we got to show for it no UI. If u, maloney, sirpeter or anybody else thinks that a UI can be achieved by assisinating the British head of state, why don't u do it, I have a feeling though things won't quite turn out well for ireland.
maloney | Apr 13, 2011, 08:10 PM EDT
or go!
sirpeter | Apr 13, 2011, 03:16 PM EDT
ancavker..The media has always said these people don't represent anybody. They say that about every armed struggle in Ireland. If you say they don't have the support of the people.Then lets put it to the test. An All Ireland vote to maintain the status Que or a vote to end partition. I think that's fair considering we didn't have partition just a lifetime ago. The prods chose to come live here..It didn't give them the right to partition the country.ancavker if the Irish people choose to vote for the ending of partition then you can't say they don't represent people. By force or by ballot box,but I would prefer peaceful means. Their should be a time limit and a guarantee given when unification is to take place to adjust and decide weather they want to stay or go.
sirpeter | Apr 13, 2011, 02:51 PM EDT
EireinAmerica..I agree with your every word.Well most of it.Like the treaty for independence it was a compromise. A treaty that the Irish people were forced to vote for. The alternative was WAR. The threat of war is coercion and wasn't fair. The GFA was the same.It was a compromise to end the trouble. The MAJORITY on this island want unification and nothing less will be good enough.The six counties were taken by force and we want them back and If some people can't accept that.Then they should go. The NP'S are holding back this process and so the killing continues.
EireinAmerica | Apr 13, 2011, 01:55 PM EDT
Yes the people of the North spoke,..they spoke in a referendum that had the majority, technically favoring joining the republic,..but that arse, Trimble,..dismissed it in true British fashion,..people will continue to fight one way or another. It is time we had a serious discussion about unification,...the true silent majority wants it,...and the Brits out!
EireinAmerica | Apr 13, 2011, 01:48 PM EDT
By the way,..all of you weak-willed cunts want to cry and rail against the Republican Army,..(like a bunch of Brits) It took the RA to GET to the NEGOTIATING table. In light of their fight, the Irish should certainly expect more in the way of respect from a foreign queen than to forget the evils perpetuated by her regime and continue to figuratively continue to get our back doors kicked in or conduct ourselves like a dog with a tail tucked between its legs. NO "New Chapter" will be written so long as their is no United Ireland,..people are going to always fight for it,..God bless their efforts and God bless Ireland!
EireinAmerica | Apr 13, 2011, 01:32 PM EDT
If Lizzie the Hun was ever serious about true reconciliation beyond words,..the British would not occupy one inch of Ireland,..John Stokes said it. The Irish culture and language need fighting and saving,...to pass to my children,..it is my greatest sadness that I am not only fighting the influence of the Anglos, and Anglo-loving American wankers, but,...I am also fighting the influence of people who are supposed to be the same as me,..If you will not stand with the Irish culture in word and deed, (against the oppressor especially) you need to change your name, move, and refer to yourself as something besides Irish! I am sick of this sense that the Irish need to apologize for being Irish. I am sick of my own people and countrymen not standing with me.
ancavker | Apr 13, 2011, 10:52 AM EDT
spate: The murder of that policeman cannot be justified; the war is over the people of the North have spoken. Those cowards represent no one, and their is absolutely no justification for the murder. Just because the English and the Americans, and the Russians and the Germans French and all the rest have killed innocent civilians doe not mean that the Irish should do the same thing.
ancavker | Apr 13, 2011, 10:47 AM EDT
sirpete: Well it happened. I will have to spend more time in Cork next time I am over.
sirpeter | Apr 13, 2011, 12:25 AM EDT
ancavker..I have no reason to doubt ya if you say it happened.I live in Cork and I'm around along time lol. I just never heard anyone come out so strongly against Irish culture.I'm not been a smartass here and it's no reflection on you,so don't take this the wrong way lol,but it could be because the people I mix with are more educated and have more of an appreciation of Irish culture and history. I have met a few guys who don't think of anything but who Man United are playing next ect. I mean that's their whole life. I hate to say it but most are not what you would call a fountain of knowledge academically wise..Except in English football of course. Still I never heard Irish music and the language being referred to as that "old shite". I have no doubt the same type of people who would say that about Irish culture have no appreciation of great literature or great art ect. They just want a good football match,a few pints with the lads and a laugh and a piece of ass when they get home and to be honest there is nothing wrong with that.But they could expand their horizons a bit more. In Cork to ask to change from a football or a hurling match to English football if Cork was playing..I couldn't even imagine it happening.
sirpeter | Apr 12, 2011, 11:05 PM EDT
Dano..As I said a few times I'm not pro-violence nor am I anti-violence in discussing these matters. I'm only argueing from the point of view that an extremely powerful elected government in the USA can make a decision to kill thousands of innocent people for their political ends.The fact that a democratic country does it to a certain degree makes it worse. The USA has sent in mercenary's and has overthrown democratically elected governments wholesale all over Latin America and elsewhere to further it's political interests. Especially if they close there countries economies. But in achieving their political and economic ends the USA kill thousands in the process. Innocent people are been killed and that's a fact. You see Dano these people who are been killed are dirt poor and have no say in anything..But they are just as human as you or I. How can people take the high moral ground and play God by saying these people can die while other people hold more value and it's wrong to kill them. I will argue about weather a political policy is correct and the repercussions of that policy. My main argument is when is killing innocent people justified and WHO decides. Is might right? Seems to be the case.But then Hitler would be right too If he won. I'm not taking sides because I'm not qualified to judge and won't judge. I'm not one of the sheeple..I make my own decisions. I can't condemn the killing fully and one of the reasons is my conscience tells me I'm indirectly responsible for killing innocent people myself by electing an Irish Government who supports Europe and the USA.I have a right to condemn the policy of any government or person who represents the people. But what right have I to condemn the individual by saying he's a murderer when he doesn't represent me.I do know the hardliners were made into killers by bad treatment most of them.I don't join lynch mobs.If you notice I never do on IC.
Freeman | Apr 12, 2011, 09:25 PM EDT
I think Dan o lonsiagh and fallsrdnat are both British but much worse than ordinary British contributors to this site. They espouse hatred and anti Irish sentiments while pretending to be of Irish and realative to the Irish people.
FallsRNat | Apr 12, 2011, 04:37 PM EDT
sirpete - youse & the people that you represent aren't true irishman, you have become a parody of what that truly represents, you are the bigots in this country, if your really interested in a UI becoming reality, then my family will leave, lock, stock & barrel, you won't weep for me as to you, i'm just another plastic paddy alongside the murdered PSNI constable. However, my grandfather & uncle who both served in the IRA in the 50s/60s also would prefer to relocate. They say that the irish of today have forgotten what the free state may have become. What a sad state of affairs when even your own family of RA cannot stomach the future.
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 12, 2011, 04:04 PM EDT
Sirpete – If you and your sad mates are planning a ‘welcome’ for QE2, be sure to watch out for those heroes of yours, the self-elected gunman or bomber…you remember the story, ‘The phone box was vandalised so we couldn’t give the warning’, and hopefully there’ll be a quick thinking cop in the vicinity? You’re too precious to lose from this site!!
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 12, 2011, 04:03 PM EDT
Sirpete – There is a world of difference between military actions, however misguided, undertaken by the armed forces of democratic countries, and the targeting and murder of law officers by self-elected, cowardly, fascist groupings that you seem to support…btw soldiers don’t fly planes
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 12, 2011, 04:03 PM EDT
jamieLM - good post, agree
jamieLM | Apr 12, 2011, 10:38 AM EDT
Hatred and bitterness have long lives. They don't die easily. The queen's visit and even a possible apolgy is not going to change some people's feelings. At some point, everyone has to decide for themselves when it's time for them to let go of the bitterness and hatreds of the past and to focus on the future. I'm not suggesting that anyone should forget their country's history, only that people try not to get stuck in the past so much that they can't see the present. This is not a judgment on the Irish. It's a mindset for everyone in every country to consider.
ancavker | Apr 12, 2011, 10:30 AM EDT
sirpeter: Sorry but I have heard this many, many times in Ireland. The music and the language being referred to as that "old shite". These were not just isolated incidents. I have seen it time and time again. Also saw it in Kerry a few years back where there was a GAA match (Kerry), and friends I was with asked the bartender to switch one of the 5 TV's in the place to the match. He reluctantly agreed. Lots of dirty look around the Pub, and finally the barman switched it back to English football of course. This was in Kerry!!! So I d not know hat part of Ireland you are in sirpete, but many of the Irish people do not like or appreciate Irish culture that is a fact. I am grateful hover that they do seem to have gotten over that American country line dancing. Sorry I still think the Irish have blown self government. One bad adminsitration after the other. They finally get the Celtic Tiger if you will, and they blow that too.
ancavker | Apr 12, 2011, 10:22 AM EDT
Dan: I know that is the reality, and not just in many housing estates, but through out Ireland; from the working poor all the way up. I just think it is sad.
Towngate | Apr 12, 2011, 08:11 AM EDT
NIALL A CHARA: Your: "..against the monarchy she represents." Her Majesty does not 'represent' the Monarchy! ~ She IS the Monarchy. ~ Big difference! THE MATCH: Interesting Admission Ticket with only five words in Gaelic and rhe rest in English. (Including the Kings Shilling cost of getting in!) A little known fact is that the events of that day helped bring forward the early 'defeat' of the British: Rumour spread like wildfire all over Dublin that if the English 'Tommies' could fire into a football crowd and only hit seventeen of them - they couldn't be very good shots,and surely could easily be beaten! Btw: I still wonder which GAA man open the gates and let them drive in! ~~~ AS FOR the Queen visiting 'sensitive' sites: To begin with,her plane will land at Casement Aerodrome! Everywhere in Ireland will be 'sensitive to her ~ remember; her Daddy used to own the whole place! ~ Slainte agus Toodle-Pip!
sirpeter | Apr 12, 2011, 07:55 AM EDT
Dublinjas..What kind of a magazine would that be? Punch magazine is it? That's where they get their twisted historical facts from.There laughable efforts at defending the indefensible.
Dublinjas | Apr 12, 2011, 06:13 AM EDT
Good comment Niall, also good comments FallsRNat, DanOLoingsigh. You guys are a magazine all on you're own.
sirpeter | Apr 11, 2011, 07:12 PM EDT
Dano..No not fully.Because partition was put there by force of arms against the will of the Irish people.So people are entitled to remove it by force of arms.They don't consider it murder Dano.I consider the bombing of Iraq and killing thousands of innocent people murder. But the soldiers dropping the bombs don't. What have you to say about that?
sirpeter | Apr 11, 2011, 07:02 PM EDT
FallsRNat..Wrong..British policy in Ireland caused the starvation.The vast majority of land 90% was under protestant control. Ever hear of nit picking Seamus with your very odd Catholic closing the gates.Course they are not going to hold an all ireland referendum on a UI.See Seamus you are quick to point out that if that was to happen it's understandable for the prods to start killing if things didn't go there way..Serious Seamus your full of threats of violence when I say something like that.
sirpeter | Apr 11, 2011, 06:44 PM EDT
Patriot..that's not my post at Apr 11, 2011, 06:37 PM EDT
sirpeter | Apr 11, 2011, 06:40 PM EDT
ancavker..I don't know where you live or what kind of people your in contact with, but I have never heard people refer to our musicians or music as a load of shite or the Irish language for that matter.They might not be any good at specking Irish,but it's thick stupid to call a language a load of shite.The Irish language is a beautiful language if you understand it.Ancavker I find it an insult for you to state the Irish people are are not capable of self government. Greece needed a bailout.Portugal has asked for a bailout.Iceland made mistakes.Spain is in a bad way. All those countries not capable of self government as well? The people of Ireland are still one of the richest people in the world. So we have a few problems so they tell me in the papers..What this all means I don't know.But it's great for those with money. The Germans gave us loads of money and it's now in private hands "my hands" The government is broke and inflation is falling and I'm getting more value for my money. I understand the hardship for those who over borrowed or were to stupid not to save for the obvious crash. But the Banks have repossessed houses from floor to ceiling and they are useless to them.I'll take 3 or 4 houses from them for a song soon when the time is right.
sirpeter | Apr 11, 2011, 06:37 PM EDT
Patriot – let’s compare passports – mine starts ‘Iarann Aire Gnóthai Eachtracha na hÉireann’- and we’re all still waiting on the names of our ‘Brightest and Best’ locked up in England…or have you rowed back on that one?
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 11, 2011, 06:13 PM EDT
Sirpete – So you can’t bring yourself to condemn the murder of a young Irishman, in Ireland, in 2011. You’re OK with murder, but rail against an exhibition, in a museum, in a foreign country, and people who don’t dance in your ‘approved’ manner. How sad!!
FallsRNat | Apr 11, 2011, 05:55 PM EDT
sirpeter - do you click your heels 3 times in the morning & sing over the rainbow, nobody is going to hold an all ireland referendum on a UI & allow the south to dictate whether there should be a UI or not, i think that if youse are saying to the brits, it's a UI or continued bombing/killing until we achieve one, then well there are lots of people on the other side who would be more than willing to take up arms to pursue their way of preserving the 6 counties as part of the UK. How cheap, hollow & crass are your words as to us being on the front line & somehow we should accept it - we say no, even Adams & McGuiness say no. Cork, Sligo & Kerry will be on the frontline as that's all is left as the RA rump, I have 100s of family/friends living in the IR, none of them share your sentiments, that's why we are safe in the knowledge that despite your support for the RA terrorists, they won't win.
FallsRNat | Apr 11, 2011, 05:47 PM EDT
patriot - get your facts right, it is historical fact that catholic landowners also closed their gates to the poor during the famine.
patriot | Apr 11, 2011, 05:08 PM EDT
DanOLoingsigh is english. Simple as that. He sure is no Irishmen. Perhaps Mom lied?
sirpeter | Apr 11, 2011, 05:08 PM EDT
FallsRNat..Your revisionist history Seamus. The stuff you make up in your head. The history you post that I can't find anywhere to back up half the stuff you say. Seamus..I think you are wrong. I think the RIRA and those not yet volunteers listen to what you and your kind say more then what I have to say.The RIRA would disappear in the morning if there was a UI. As long as partition is there I can't see them ever going away. You know that as well as I do. It's tough sh*t your on the front line.I just state fact's that can be backed up by what experts say. I know you would like to lump me in with the RIRA because I don't condemn fully their actions. I can't because partition was put there by force of arms against the will of the Irish people.So people are entitled to remove it by force of arms.Take away partition and then we'll have an all Ireland referendum on weather we want to reinstate partition or not.The GFA was a compromise after the foul deed was done.Sitting Bull of the Lakota Sioux watched his people sign treaty after treaty for the sake of peace till they had only a small piece of land left.He never gave in.So the white man made payed Indian "police" kill him. I would hope the RIRA would put down the tomahawk and give the GFA a chance. But such is life.
patriot | Apr 11, 2011, 05:07 PM EDT
The Irish famine, and the human holocaust which followed (was brought on by protestant farmers exporting all Irish foodstuffs to england after the potato crop failed) is a clear cut case of the british crown purposefully killing off millions of Irish citizens. How did they do it? The took ALL of the edible food out of Ireland to england under armed guard!!! That is the way they did it and that is why it was mass murder and a clear cut holocaust...no matter what british Dan may think or say. : )))
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 11, 2011, 04:41 PM EDT
Ancavker – You make some very good points re culture…however the reality in many large housing sprawls is English Football, Coronation Street, and shopping in foreign-owned chain stores. The fact that they haven’t bought into ‘cultural Ireland’ may or may not be a matter of regret. I don’t stand in judgement; many will be focussed on getting by from week to week, as are working people the world over. Re the language, the current policy has failed, maybe its time to rethink it, as the new Government said they would?
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 11, 2011, 04:28 PM EDT
Sirpete – So, are you from the ‘Cultural Police’ now? Do you think your very narrow definition of being Irish is the only legitimate version, with your Nazi sounding ‘exclusion clauses’? I prefer a more inclusive definition, recognising that the relationship with the UK is complex, and cannot be simplified into ‘800 years of pain’ rhetoric. Many Irish folk found England a decent place to settle, and that their new neighbours were a decent bunch. You espouse a Republican-inspired view of history; Hence your use of Holocaust to describe the famine, which does not meet the definition of a true Holocaust. I don’t criticize Ireland; I criticize narrow-minded Anglophobic posters who think only their version of being Irish is legitimate. Do you recall the term ‘Parity of Esteem’? You could show some to those eg Unionists, who will not dance to your tune, but are as Irish as you are? So that’s why I do it. You?
ancavker | Apr 11, 2011, 04:21 PM EDT
falls Not the provo campaign. As I have pointed out to you numerous times I did not support their campaign of madness, death and destruction. It put back the cause of Irish unity for years.
FallsRNat | Apr 11, 2011, 02:01 PM EDT
ancavker - what revisionist history is that?
ancavker | Apr 11, 2011, 11:34 AM EDT
Seamus; I fight the revisionists every chance I get. It is shocking to me that the Irish people tolerate that nonsense. The only people whoa re ashamed and embarrassed to honor those who fought for their freedom. Oh and when quoting revisionists lets not forget Fintan O' Toole and John Spain.
ancavker | Apr 11, 2011, 11:28 AM EDT
Dan: I disagree with sirpete on many occasions, but it would be nice if some Irish in Ireland today would actually be proud of the culture that they have left. The obsession with Manchester United and all things form the BBC and or America is way over done. You do not know how many times I have been to Ireland, and have heard countless Irish people old and young refer to the Irish language as "that old shite", same thing for the music. Lets face it Dan, the people in the Republic have made a mess of the place, and have proven they are not capable of self government; the culture is the only thing they have left. I myself struggle with the language, but I do not denigrate it. Did you know that Irish music is the most popular ethnic music in the world today? People the world over love it, sadly so many Irish cringe about it.
sirpeter | Apr 11, 2011, 09:27 AM EDT
Dano..It's Gaeilge Dano..Not Gailge. That's a very weak come back Dano. I can almost hear the Brit lovers groan at that come back. I'll ask you the same question Dano. How do you identify yourself as Irish? You never post anything positive about Irish culture or anything good about the Irish for that matter. To be honest I feel sorry for the posters here who feel they have to come on this site and criticize Ireland constantly. It seems you are to English to be Irish and to Irish to be English. To be honest Dano to be constantly derogatory you do deserve a bit of abuse for that. Why do it Dano? That's the question.
Wingeire1 | Apr 10, 2011, 08:27 PM EDT
Niall O'Dowd....I remember you from the Irish America magazine days...what 20 years ago? I used to subscribe. That Niall would never pat Ireland on the back for allowing QEII to step foot in Ireland. You like to think there is peace, but you know the words of Padraig Pearse...and there are still troops in 6 for your 32 counties. You distress me.
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 10, 2011, 06:43 PM EDT
maloney - you need to quote examples, not mere abuse.
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 10, 2011, 04:01 PM EDT
Seamusmoore – you ask when a Catholic will be allowed to become a king or queen…I’d say around the time that members of the Church of Ireland are allowed to become Pope…the English monarch doubles as head of the Established church.
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 10, 2011, 04:00 PM EDT
Sirpete – So to be really Irish you need to be a musician, as well as dancing, singing and writing in Gailge. Oh and a ‘skilled’ sportsman, so nobody with physical or mental disabilities then? Adolf would be proud of you, lad!!
sirpeter | Apr 10, 2011, 03:29 PM EDT
barneyjo. I'm sure you are a nice guy.Posting about peace and change and all that is all very fine.But alot of what you say is trying to undermine the very fabric of what alot of people here believe to be right. If you were to land in Africa how would you identify yourself as Irish to the natives? Can you speak Irish fluently? Can you sing a full song in Irish? Can you use a hurley and sliotar with skill? Or a football? Can you preform some Irish dancing? Or play an Irish tune on an instrument? Maybe recite some Irish prose or poetry. Write a simple essay as Gaeilge. Do you know how many Irishmen/women can't do any of those things in my Country? You think the very people in the GAA who are against the Queens visit should resign and leave the door open for further undermining of the GAA. I'm sure if you had your way Irish sports would be a side line in the GAA to English football. So what is it that make you Irish Barneyjo? Because I don't see any Irish in you. Your views are more English to me. Our culture needs protecting badly. Ireland is been swamped by American and English culture.
FallsRNat | Apr 10, 2011, 02:38 PM EDT
sirpeter - ha, ha, youse are such a cheeky chappy, the RIRA don't need me as a recruiting sarge, they have u, seano & eireinamerica to do that. I was at 1 of the 1st community crossover projects after the paramilitary ceasefires & spoke to a senior loyalist about the future, he predicted the CIRA/RIRA before they were in their infancy - he stated the following; 1) if the irish people honoured the peace, then the loyalists wouldn't return immediately to violence. 2) that on Gerry's famous speech 'they haven't gone away you know' he replied whilst their still there (RA) in whatever shape of form, that the loyalists 'would never go away' 3) If the RA could bring back violence in the face of 99.9% of the majority of both sides supporting this peace deal & it looked like backing of support for them in either nationalist community north or south of the border, all bets are off & they would resume violence, they would never come back to the negotiating table . I sat around that table with some shinners & ordinary catholics, we understood exactly what he meant & if that would mean that for the next 40-50 yrs & beyond that we had to live in the UK, it was an acceptable principle if the violence stopped. I don't have a problem with any comments on this board, unless they expouse the support of violence in the pursuit of a UI, it haven't delivered it & won't do, i'm sure that in the past some of your families have suffered under the hands of the brits, but living in cork, melbourne or the US is not living on the frontline. Yes the loyalists would get round to bombing dublin, but only after slaughtering half of the falls, markets etc. We can't live with that, we've had enough & that's why ultimately the RIRA etc will be defeated, not by the brits, but the irish
sirpeter | Apr 10, 2011, 01:33 PM EDT
clevelander..Thanks ;)Welcome aboard
clevelander | Apr 10, 2011, 11:30 AM EDT
barneyjo- "Enough said I think!!" Really??? I can't get over how smug and egotistic you are. You have your opinion and it is your right to express it any way you see fit but it is just your opinion, your words and ideas. I whole heartily disagree and can ask the british solider the ruc/psni officer or any other agent of the crown the same question and make a point against them. You have not given me one reason to change my thoughts or ideas. But please keep posting as I like to keep you busy in your zenith, gotta go I have to celebrate another Laois GAA victory. P.S There is never enough said on this subject.
Trealach | Apr 10, 2011, 11:16 AM EDT
What a jackass of a journalist - "As other bastions of Irish life have brought disgrace on their heads such as the Catholic Church and corrupt government, the GAA has been a beacon of hope." Has he forgotten, or even know, that the King/Queen is the head (pope) of the Church of England who are directly responsible for the crimes against humanity in Ireland, spanning almost 800 years? Does he even care about the child abuse perpetrated by her 'Ministers' on Her flock? Does he know, or even remember, that her forefather Henry VII mascaraed people simply because they decided to hold on to their Faith? Yet he has the ignorant audacity to suggest that this insulting visit is going to mend fences, when he can't even see the damned fence!
barneyjo | Apr 10, 2011, 09:53 AM EDT
@seamusmoore - you say the "wests awake"? by that you mean the indiscriminate killing of a Catholic, an Irishman and a Gael? If that is being awake, then please put me to sleep for good. Furthermore, I'd like to share a commentary from the local press that says more than I could in response to your comments; "When the man who planned this (attack) looks in the mirror, he should ask himself whether he has now become the very thing he ONCE BELIEVED HE WAS FIGHTING!!!; the oppressor who sends young men to early graves and lonely prison cells, IN AN EFFORT TO BEND THE IRISH PEOPLE TO HIS WILL!!!" Enough said I think!!
REMITROMJR | Apr 10, 2011, 09:14 AM EDT
"Queen's visit will change Ireland for ever ---old enemies will put hatreds aside" Or, hopefully, some patriot will put a bullet between her eyes...Oh, wait, that would only be effective if she actually had a brain! Then, maybe some patriot will but a bullet in her chest...Oh, wait, that would only be effective if she actually had a heart! I guess the ultimate option is out. Just let her know that she and the rest of her "aristocracy" who leach millions of euros off the middle class are unwelcome in a freedom loving country.
macausheen | Apr 10, 2011, 08:49 AM EDT
I know the economy in Ireland is bad and the Irish have done a miserable job of governing themselves, but why do some still insist on hanging onto the apron strings of the Queen of England? Men fought and died to be free and now they are being insulted by the efforts being ignored. Stand up Ireland. Stand up for yourself like a child letting go of its mother and not coming back to the nest a failure.
seamusmoore | Apr 10, 2011, 08:31 AM EDT
To all you soup slurping Mary Bourke Robinson wannnabes, check out John McEntee's fawning op-ed piece in the INDO 3 weeks ago today when he asked "do you think that she (the Queen)would take us back if we asked nicely. For those whose nationalist pilot light has not been snuffed out, check out Brendan O Hehir's poetic nationalistic response ("The Gentle Black and Tan") on Indymedia to revisionist historians' (Johnny Murphy, Ruth Dudley Edwards and Eoghan Harris) effort to re-write the War of Independence because they were dismayed by the unfair treatment of the Tans in the Wind That Shakes the Barley. Brilliant stuff by the late RTE man.
seamusmoore | Apr 10, 2011, 08:23 AM EDT
niall the GAA also repealed Rule 21 (ban on NI police force and British Army personnel), so when do the Brits repeal the ban on Catholics being king or Queen? OR does all your traffic head in one direction only? @SirPeter and @clevelander well said lads, Eire Abu! The west's awake!
Aughavey | Apr 10, 2011, 06:25 AM EDT
haikued2 "England will withdraw and relinquish all claims to Ireland." - England doesn`t make any such claim. northern Ireland will remain part of the UK alongside Scotland, Wales & ngland for so long as the majority of Northern Irish voters vote to remian part of the UK as set in law by the Good Friday Agreement. The `English` as you wrongly put it have nothing to do with it. It is an internal Northern Ireland matter. Sinn Fein refused a border poll in 1998 when offered it by Ulster Unionist leader avid Trimble. The fact is the Assembly election results on 5th May 2011 will show a clear majority in favour of remaining part of the UK.
citizen69 | Apr 10, 2011, 06:06 AM EDT
Niall, you just have to read some of the comments below to realize that some people have absolutely no intention of putting aside old hatreds any time soon!
barneyjo | Apr 10, 2011, 05:12 AM EDT
@ANYBODY - "THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE" (posted again just for emphasis!!)
barneyjo | Apr 10, 2011, 05:07 AM EDT
@clevelander(et al)"THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!!(but only if you allow it to do so) With or without your belief and support (and that of others) a new Ireland is beginning to form. A new Ireland and (hopefully) a better Ireland, IF we learn from the mistakes of the past, and consign those mistakes to history and thus cease to be bound by them!!
MrSinatra | Apr 10, 2011, 01:18 AM EDT
am i the only one who thinks the very concept of a "royal family" whose every dump becomes headline news is absurd? i actually do have some respect for the queen b/c of her connection to WW2, but honestly, she'll be dead any day now and the rest of them are useless, they're a joke.
sirpeter | Apr 10, 2011, 12:12 AM EDT
FallsRNat..The world doesn't revolve around the North and the prods. We had protestant clubs down south that didn't allow Catholics to join too. They lived in their little British bubble and it was England..England ..England and they had only respect for all things British and a slightly less vocal contempt, for anything Irish.That was thought to them by their father's and their father's. We just excepted it because we were used to their sectarian ways. Frankly we didn't give a sh*t. Don't talk to me about sectarianism. I think you should preach to your proddy sectarian buddies. You talk about transportation to Australia like the old penal days..Have you any idea how many innocent Irish people suffered transportation under the old penal days??? Dragged from their family's forever. That's you off the board for peace and reconciliation. Everything you say on this site would encourage any RIRA Volunteer to keep up the killing. Keep going Seamus your doing a great job for the RIRA.
clevelander | Apr 09, 2011, 11:05 PM EDT
Sorry sirpeter I apologize wrong person Thank You
sirpeter | Apr 09, 2011, 10:43 PM EDT
clevelander..I didn't say you should resign!! Try reading my posts
clevelander | Apr 09, 2011, 10:08 PM EDT
peter/barneyjoe- just saying so does not make it so. Words are just words. I hope for your sake you are what you "espouse". I will continue to be a proud member of the GAA and let my thoughts and Ideas be shared with others. I have offered and given much, as have my family. This will continue. I hope you continue to come on this site,your "zenith" and continue your small life. Take Care Sasanaigh.
JBRAFTREE | Apr 09, 2011, 08:45 PM EDT
She is visiting the Garden of Rememberance. Will she remember????
Squiredarling | Apr 09, 2011, 07:08 PM EDT
Well Niall, even the visit of Queen Elizabeth offers you a chance to attack the Catholic Church, even when there is no relationship.
Searlit | Apr 09, 2011, 07:00 PM EDT
I agree Haikued2.
barneyjo | Apr 09, 2011, 06:29 PM EDT
@clevelander - How do I know? Oh probably because I am what I espouse; an honurable man with a more acute sense of history than "others" could ever hope to have. I also think it will be interesting to note just how many members of the GAA will feel compelled to rennounce their membership on the strenghth of their disagreement over the invitation. If the view you have espoused is atypical of the objectors, then they will be few in number. In all sincereity I wish they would have the guts to stick to their principles of disagreement and leave the Association, rather than remaining as malcontented whingers who have little to offer to the GAA in the first place. It is said "People who deride big ideas, live small lives" It would seem that the zenith for many is to come on to sites such as this to prove that very point!! Whaddauthink??
DanOLoingsigh | Apr 09, 2011, 06:25 PM EDT
Who’s up for renaming the Canal End the ‘Queen Elizabeth stand’ to mark the visit?
Scottmcgowan | Apr 09, 2011, 06:21 PM EDT
While I am no fan of the English Royal family, I do think that Queen Elizabeth is a fine woman who does wish the Irish well. Many of her ancestors were bastards but does she carry their sins on her shoulders? It is ironic, however, that she returns to Ireland - one of her ancestral homes - as the direct descendant (35th in line)of Brian Boru! And she is such through both her mother and her father.
Gearoid4 | Apr 09, 2011, 05:58 PM EDT
The visit of the British Queen to the HQ of the GAA will be a surreal moment that view will have envisaged up until very recently. It is a carefully co-ordinated but clever move as it will mark a sign of respect by the queen for the most pre-eminent institution currently in Irish life. Also one can say that the GAA will not be bending the knee from a position of subordination but rather meeting the head of the neighboring country on equal terms. It will also generate favorable opportunities both in GB and further afield for Ireland socially, culturally and diplomatically. One can still remember the past without snubbing the head of state of the country which inflicted so much of the misery. Times have changed for the better.
clevelander | Apr 09, 2011, 05:47 PM EDT
peter I do not accept your argument that being "old (honourable) school" is honourable. A lot of bad elements have come from "old school". I also reject your argument "if you cannot accept the direction or leadership of a body to which you are affiliated, then you should resign". That to me is cowardly. Also I do not accept that there is a clear majority that accept this. And as far as "honourable option for an honourable person, and a true Gael!!!" How would you know?
barneyjo | Apr 09, 2011, 04:57 PM EDT
@sirpeter - I think my suggestion to clevelander is perfectly reasonable. I am of the old (honourable) school which says that if you cannot accept the direction or leadership of a body to which you are affiliated, then you should resign. Its not a question of trying to pursuade the clear majority of the error of their ways as typified by your view of the Associations attitude to the British Establishment. The position of the GAA allows it to issue this ground-breaking invite from a positon of strength and not supplication as others seem to view that. Add to that the undoubted publicity that Gaelic sport in general, and the GAA in particular will get in Britian, it is a very astute action on the part of HQ in my view. I make the point again; those who dissent SHOULD consider their position vis a vis their continuing membership of the Association. It is the only honourable option for an honourable person, and a true Gael!!!
barneyjo | Apr 09, 2011, 04:49 PM EDT
@FallsRNat - em, not quite. Many Protestants that I would have known kicked football in the years before the start of the troubles but were driven out of their clubs by a militant element that became active at the time. It is shameful that those Protestants who have continued to play Gaelic sports have had to endure unacceptable levels of secterian abuse just for taking the field. Take for example, Peter Withnall (Down All- Ireland winning team) he had to walk away eventually. Or Darren Gibson (Fermanagh Hurler and footballer) he was going to walk because he received so little support from the County Board, until they were shamed into facing down the Dinosaurs in that county.
barneyjo | Apr 09, 2011, 04:41 PM EDT
@clevelander - does the saying "Run with the Hare and hunt with the Hounds" have any resonance with you? I respect your right to dissent, although I profoundly disagree with your analysis of the stance of the GAA in relation to the visit to Croke Park by Queen Elizabeth. I consider the decision to issue an invitation to her to be an enlightened one; a decision that is underpinned by the strenghth of the GAA and what it stands for in Irish Society and not by weakness or supplication as you seem to be suggesting!!
ellenfromcork | Apr 09, 2011, 04:30 PM EDT
"British upper calls..." What pray tell is that? Does no one check what they write?
FallsRNat | Apr 09, 2011, 04:06 PM EDT
sirpeter - it was set up as bastion of pure irish culture, yet singularly failed to engage with the protestant population of either north or south of the border - so became yet another sectarian organisation that was so systematic of this country's problems. I'm afraid that the GAA clubs in some parts of the north were little more then a meeting place for the PIRA. How times have changed, the visit of HMQ should be seen for what it is, Ireland entering a new era & finally breaking the shackles of its own sectarian past, good on the GAA, I attended a commeration for Ronan after his tragic murder @ the hands of the dissidents. The killing of an active member of the GAA is an attack on all of us, it's time to root out this rump of killers who are blighting this great country of ours, it's a pity, we can't export them to Australia under the old penal system, however, with seanomelbourne out there, i'm sure that he will welcome them with open arms.
sirpeter | Apr 09, 2011, 02:37 PM EDT
well done clevelander..Don't you dream of been pushed out..Speak up!! And speak out They GAA is the only true Irish thing left in this country..The GAA has been a beacon of hope. To do what barneyjo just mentioned is exactly what would destroy it. It has been protectionist principles that has made it what it is to-day.
clevelander | Apr 09, 2011, 01:50 PM EDT
barneyjo NO I will not "cancel" my membership. I will stay and make my voice and opinions heard. I will strongly oppose the actions I think are wrong. But thanks for your thoughts. The Association will always be come back to principles!!
cillowen | Apr 09, 2011, 01:27 PM EDT
Finally UK will be complete and her usage of hibernian symbols will remain unquestioned.
haikued2 | Apr 09, 2011, 01:23 PM EDT
Would be extra nice if she could simply announce: England will withdraw and relinquish all claims to Ireland. You will now have what true Irishmen and women have fought so long and hard for, a country of your own, complete and Irish, not part English.
barneyjo | Apr 09, 2011, 01:22 PM EDT
@clevlander (and others) - well then; why not cancel your membership of the GAA and encourage others who feel as you do to do the same. Maybe the Association is going somewhere you cannot follow. Time to let others see you carry thru your principles!!
sirpeter | Apr 09, 2011, 12:43 PM EDT
The GAA has indeed been the ONLY bastion of pure Irish Culture that has flourished on this island. Traditional Irish sports were in severe decline by the late 19th century due to British active anti-Irish interference in Irish culture. THE GAA WAS NOT SET UP AS A BASTION OF ANTI-BRITISH SENTIMENT IN IRELAND. BUT AS A PROTECTOR OF IRISH TRADITIONAL SPORTS AND CULTURE. This was seen as a threat to the ongoing Anglicization of Ireland and the GAA was BANNED by the British government in 1918. The ban on foreign games and players who played foreign games was totally necessary in order to keep it pure and to protect it from outside influences. Irish greed and British gold and I guess German gold in the last 10 years has always been a problem. What sorry chapter will be written this time. Will it be written in German or English. Wake up Ireland!! Beware! There's Wolves Among The Sheep! Our hearts must grow resolute, ..... of: the hoof of Reichstag, the horn of a John bull, and the smile of an English Queen."
clevelander | Apr 09, 2011, 12:06 PM EDT
This makes me sick! As a member of the GAA I am absolutely opposed. She should not be welcomed.
dan Breen | Apr 09, 2011, 11:03 AM EDT
Don't forget five thousand troops & a new MI5 headquarters in the North. Soldiers are train to kill and MI5 are train to spy & and kill.
LinLinisme | Apr 09, 2011, 10:25 AM EDT
Wonderful. Long live the Queen and may peace reign along with her.
LinLinisme | Apr 09, 2011, 10:24 AM EDT
Agree with jerryodonovan
antoman | Apr 09, 2011, 09:18 AM EDT
Perhaps a re-enactment of what happened could be staged on the pitch for her.Using actors and members of the Armed forces?I dare say some of the less well off bases around the country like Kerry.Probably still use those 1920's era armored cars.
jerrydonovan | Apr 09, 2011, 07:49 AM EDT
Kudo's to the G.A.A.Well done!