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Queen Elizabeth has met bloody dictators and has blood on her own hands -- Alleging meeting Sinn Fein is dreadful for her is ridiculous

Posted on Monday, June 25, 2012 at 08:19 AM

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Queen Elizabeth will meet with Martin McGuinness later this week.

Queen Elizabeth once met with Idi Amin, the butcher of Africa, who is believed to have been responsible for 300,000 deaths in his native Uganda.

She said nary a word at this meeting about the alleged atrocities, stories of which were circulating at the time, in 1971.

Contrary to popular revisionism, Nelson Mandela was not leader of a peace loving organization called the ANC when he met Queen Elizabeth. Indeed the ANC had quite a reputation for ruthless violence at its height.

Those are just two of the leaders Queen Elizabeth has met who had blood on their hands.

Some would argue that Elizabeth herself, both historically and during her reign, had a fair amount of the red stuff spattered on her royal arms as well, given the many nasty colonial fights her country entered into in her name.

All of which is to debunk the shrieks of horror and awe in Britain and partly in Ireland now that the Queen will meet Martin McGuinness this week.

Even the Guardian that naturally Republican minded newspaper (in the British sense) newspaper had sympathy for the Queen’s plight.

The Sunday Times had its usual monarchical nonsense. Their editorial stated “Grit your Teeth Maam” and said that the queen “has to do so many unpalatable things for the good of her subjects”.

Don’t you love that word subjects? Not citizens? We in America fought a successful war to escape that designation.

The Martin McGuinness quarrel with the Queen was quite naturally that designation and that he and 500,000 other Irish were made unwilling subjects of the Queen by the utterly unjustified partition of Ireland in 1921.

That quarrel has been resolved and a fair-minded solution all around found for the present and most likely any future changes will be done peacefully.

So quite naturally, as representative of his people freely elected, Martin McGuinness should meet the queen. Both McGuinness and the Queen suffered grievous losses in the years of “The Troubles”.
It is a sure sign of the New Ireland that they can now meet as equals, both representing their people, though one is elected and one is not.

She should be happy to greet him as a symbol of the New Ireland where peace and equality will reign
It is nothing more dramatic or different than that – the British media notwithstanding.

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RobinForester | Feb 26, 2013, 11:57 PM EST

Time to face real facts: The Brits are the money nation and financiers of the world, and Ireland is going to need a big friend to bail it out, so like they said in the 1960s film West Side Story, ''Play it cool man, play it cool". A £50-85 BILLION loan maybe required to restore Ireland financial stabilty and this is 'what I'm hinting at'?

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seamus60 | Jul 27, 2012, 01:50 PM EDT

Her handshake in green to Martin impressed me.We need the Brits on board for secret talks about NI and the way forward.The Brits are following the plan to the letter Sirpeter. We need the brits who are following the plan to the letter. would that be the same brits whose participation in any type of truth commission is good enough reason for Gerry and Martin to rule out their acknowledgement of same???? Surely if they`re to be trusted on the the above they would be acceptable participants in a truth commission. Lets not read too much into what colour the queen wore when shaking her ministers hand either. The Para`s wore the same colour on Bloody Sunday.

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sirpeter | Jul 20, 2012, 08:30 AM EDT

UnRealist..Lol.Yes I am clearly an expert when I switch to personal attack mode too.Not every comment here deserves a respectful response.Yours obviously didn't deserve one.As General Tom Barry once said "The British went into the gutter and into the gutter we had to follow them"By the way I see the Orange Order like burning Polish flags now as well on British Protestant community bonfires.It's ok though it's not anti-Catholic,it's not written down.lololol

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sirpeter | Jul 20, 2012, 06:21 AM EDT

UnRealist..Lol.But he wasn't just any old retired sailor was he?He was Admiral of the Fleet.Order of the Garter~Order of the Bath~Order of Merit~Order of the Star of India~Order of the Indian Empire~Royal Victorian Order~Privy Council of the United Kingdom ect ect.The list goes on and on.What an arrogant man for him to think his age gave him immunity from his past and the positions he held.A lifetime upholding British imperialism.How much blood was on his hands in India alone?But that doesn't matter to you because it wasn't British blood.You're argument against blowing him up is "I say, old chap, that's just not cricket"He's retired.lololol.~~I say, old chap,you're not playing by the rules"(our rules)You can't plant bombs when we are not looking,you must use aircraft for bombing so we have an excellent sporting chance to kill you old chap.lololol.To be fair you won't find me arguing against the bombing of Dresden or Hiroshima.I repeat what part of war and killing don't people understand?That's why I call you UnRealist.Devoid of reality.

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Realist | Jul 19, 2012, 12:57 PM EDT

sirpeter: "personal attack"? Lol....no, just you being caught out by your own words yet again my friend. Also, what has blowing a 79-year-old retired sailor to pieces got to do with "war"? By the way, I'm surprised to learn that the author of the following 'contribution' is so sensitive...."Realist..Go fu*k yourself OK!!..You long streak of piss..You don't get to question me anymore..Get it!! Fu*kface." By your own admission, "When it comes to going low, I'm an expert." Clearly....lol.

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sirpeter | Jul 18, 2012, 10:37 PM EDT

UnRealist.This article is getting on.It's hardly worth my cyberland ink.You see I don't consider the death of Lord Mountbatten a murder.That's where we have a difference of opinion.I'm still delighted at the death of Lord Mountbatten.What part of war don't you understand?Anyway my arguments are better than yours.Your comment below is a personal attack.I like that.That wasn't you when I read your comments months ago.Your stiff upper lip is beginning to quiver auld chap.lol

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Realist | Jul 15, 2012, 04:31 PM EDT

sirpeter: Lol....are you in tears again? My friend, regardless of what the voices in your head are telling you, you give me far too much credit....it's the easiest thing in the World to catch you with your pants down. As I stated earlier, all your own work. Take a look at the bottom of this very page, I cut and pasted what you wrote about HM Queen Elizabeth and laughing at the murder of the 79-year-old Lord Mountbatten, his daughter's 83-year-old mother-in-law, and 2 teenage children on 5th February 2011. Did you not write this? Did I not cut and paste it from this very site? I'm really not against you, you know....but you just never learn and that, in a way, is an endearing quality. I love the way you have to get the last word in also....it really matters to you, doesn't it? Lol.

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sirpeter | Jul 13, 2012, 04:08 PM EDT

UnRealist.You really are a compulsive liar.You can't cut and paste anything I wrote.And there is nothing on the internet that would agree with your views to cut and paste either.Try Stormfront...lol

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Realist | Jul 13, 2012, 12:50 PM EDT

sirpeter: Lol....I am not against you my friend, really. It's just that you don't have very good arguments and cannot debate in any civilized or coherent manner. However, mostly I simply cut and paste your own words. It's easy and clearly quite effective. I can't take credit for it - all your own work....lol.

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sirpeter | Jul 13, 2012, 10:14 AM EDT

UnRealist. LOL.I didn't find it strange that you picked up on Seano's misunderstanding of my comment at all.I saw it myself a few weeks back.His misunderstanding is hardly my fault.What amuses me though is how desperate you are to find something/anything no matter how trivial that you can use against me.Be a man and get up off the ground and drop that fistful of dust you are trying to throw at me.I'm not finished yet giving your weak Billy Boy comments a good hammering on IC.Also have a good look at that You Tube addy I posted on the Billy boy article.Have a good look at your father with the Billy Boy club.

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Realist | Jul 12, 2012, 06:05 PM EDT

sirpeter: Lol....strange you feel the need to explain yourself on this, but who are you trying to convince? Me or you?

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sirpeter | Jul 12, 2012, 07:18 AM EDT

Unrealist.Seano misunderstood a deeper meaning to what I was saying.That's all that happened.Just like my sarcastic comment below.You can take it at face value or look for a deeper meaning.You either get it or you don't Billy Boy.Don't forget your pointy head to-day and do as ye are told by the parades commission.LOL

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Realist | Jul 11, 2012, 08:55 AM EDT

sirpeter: Lol....my friend, what a journey....you've gone from threats of physical violence (punctuated will foul language and sectarian cat calling) towards HM Queen Elizabeth, to repeated lying about said threats, to now your 'road to Damascus' moment when she's suddenly ok for shaking hands wearing green. As seano pointed out a few weeks ago, I think you're more than a little perplexed with what you've been told to believe and accept.

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sirpeter | Jul 10, 2012, 05:21 PM EDT

seamus60. Every Ulsterman is full of morals and priciples ;));))

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seamus60 | Jul 10, 2012, 12:33 PM EDT

Sirpeter. We`ll just have to agree that when it comes to morals and principle, my barometer is a little high for you to achieve. But thats ok. We can`t all be the same. Life would be as boring as supporting SF.

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