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Queen Elizabeth has met bloody dictators and has blood on her own hands -- Alleging meeting Sinn Fein is dreadful for her is ridiculous

Posted on Monday, June 25, 2012 at 08:19 AM
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Queen Elizabeth will meet with Martin McGuinness later this week.


Queen Elizabeth once met with Idi Amin, the butcher of Africa, who is believed to have been responsible for 300,000 deaths in his native Uganda.

She said nary a word at this meeting about the alleged atrocities, stories of which were circulating at the time, in 1971.

Contrary to popular revisionism, Nelson Mandela was not leader of a peace loving organization called the ANC when he met Queen Elizabeth. Indeed the ANC had quite a reputation for ruthless violence at its height.

Those are just two of the leaders Queen Elizabeth has met who had blood on their hands.

Some would argue that Elizabeth herself, both historically and during her reign, had a fair amount of the red stuff spattered on her royal arms as well, given the many nasty colonial fights her country entered into in her name.

All of which is to debunk the shrieks of horror and awe in Britain and partly in Ireland now that the Queen will meet Martin McGuinness this week.

Even the Guardian that naturally Republican minded newspaper (in the British sense) newspaper had sympathy for the Queen’s plight.

The Sunday Times had its usual monarchical nonsense. Their editorial stated “Grit your Teeth Maam” and said that the queen “has to do so many unpalatable things for the good of her subjects”.

Don’t you love that word subjects? Not citizens? We in America fought a successful war to escape that designation.

The Martin McGuinness quarrel with the Queen was quite naturally that designation and that he and 500,000 other Irish were made unwilling subjects of the Queen by the utterly unjustified partition of Ireland in 1921.

That quarrel has been resolved and a fair-minded solution all around found for the present and most likely any future changes will be done peacefully.

So quite naturally, as representative of his people freely elected, Martin McGuinness should meet the queen. Both McGuinness and the Queen suffered grievous losses in the years of “The Troubles”.
It is a sure sign of the New Ireland that they can now meet as equals, both representing their people, though one is elected and one is not.

She should be happy to greet him as a symbol of the New Ireland where peace and equality will reign
It is nothing more dramatic or different than that – the British media notwithstanding.



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Realist | Jul 01, 2012, 05:22 AM EDT
"All republicans have gained are smoke and mirrors and nothing of substance. The British control the show and are always willing to follow the logic of the unionists".

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Realist | Jul 01, 2012, 05:03 AM EDT
"The sad thing about all this is that the British set this up. This is the British answer to the Republican problem in Ireland. It’s a British solution, it’s not an Irish solution. It’s not a solution that we have control of"...."Never in the history of republicanism was so much sacrificed and so little gained...."....Brendan Hughes, former Provisional IRA "O/C", the H-Blocks.

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seanomelb | Jun 30, 2012, 07:47 PM EDT
Realist!!so many words and so little said. BTW sirpeter how were you going to assassinate Betsy with a handshake maybe you gotta laugh at some posts or you'd go crazy.

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seamus60 | Jun 30, 2012, 11:09 AM EDT
Sirpeter. Check out what ex SF politicians, of whom there are many have said about the decision making process`s within the party and how they are forced out when atempting to highlight such issues. Problem is Gerry and Marty are running the party as they did the army. With the differance that party members just get shown the door, where as Vols met a much worse end. How did Gerry keep getting elected ? God only knows but I often wonder how the churchs garnish so much faith from people starving to death in third world countrys as well. SF the party have made contaminated nearly everything they have touched since getting into Gov. The 11plus, Waterboard scandals, Farmer grants having to be paid back, Millions and millions from hard pressed schooling budgets being sent back to the treasury and lost forever due to underspend,millions more sent back from school build projects, Sectarianism on employment issues, Allowing the underminding of Patton reforms, Stamping all over Nationalist communities and siding with orange parades, Implimenting Gerry mandering, neglection of former prisoners welfare issues and the list goes on. You appear to be very selective on what you read. Perhaps such issues are too left wing for you. But I`ll even the play field for you, you can rebutt all of this by replying with their acheivements since the GFA came into play.

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Realist | Jun 30, 2012, 06:20 AM EDT
sirpeter: Lol....I know you’re only passing on what you’ve been told to think....but I'm not sure anyone's going to take lectures on outreach and credibility from an individual who regularly uses terms of sectarian abuse such as "Billy Boy", "Hun", and "West Brit", advocates (among other signs of aggressive insecurity) an assassination attempt on HM Queen Elizabeth II during her visit to the Republic of Ireland last year (and later lied about it when caught out on this very site), and also consistently presents the anschluss of Northern Ireland to a founder member of the PIGS charity franchise as a ‘good idea’. Just like the ceasefire of the tout-ridden Provisional IRA in 1994, their final surrender of weapons in 2005, Provisional Sinn Fein taking their places (and wages) in a British partitionist government after 1998, and now politely standing in line with all of her other government ministers to meet and acknowledge the British head of state - not choices by the Republican movement....they were inevitabilities – “nowhere left to go”. Now reduced to painting letter boxes green and spluttering out night school Irish (when they remember to do it, that is)....and after all that....7% in favour of a "united Ireland"....lol. Sinn Fein, rather like the SNP in Scotland, find themselves in government but impotent on ever delivering the central plank of their manifestos; respectively, a “united Ireland” and an “independent Scotland”. That's the reality my friend and little wonder.

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sirpeter | Jun 29, 2012, 11:52 PM EDT
Seano.I try my best with these NI guys.But they are the biggest pack of liars to walk the earth.They are incapable of reality.They have a history of setting Catholics houses on fire and want to talk about the enraged Catholic who stabbed a Prod to death and call the the Catholic a terrorist.They have a mental disorder.I think someone important said that about alot of people from NI.I can't remember lol.I know that's sweeping but I can't get no sense or meaning out of them.I mean would you be bothered pretending you are a Nationalist when you are a Billy Boy.Sometimes I try to take a big leap into their world of bullsh*t and say something they approve of just to see their reaction.They are like feral cats they just take advantage of what you say and try to mount ya.Seano my man~~Fallsers was never going to meet ya.These people have an apartheid mindset.They are KKK,Afrikaners,Nazi's,White supremacists,Hutu,Georgie Boy Dillions and Billy Boys.You see it on TV.They have no rational argument. They depend on they likes of rational people reacting badly to their bullsh*t to give them a sense of identity and self-importance.

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seanomelb | Jun 29, 2012, 08:00 PM EDT
Have ya run out of red white and blue tissues Fallser.Sirpeter he lied about his Melbourne visit stating he was in Tiger Bay no such place in Melb. He must have been in Cardiff, he wouldn't know the difference anyway

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FallsRNat | Jun 29, 2012, 02:58 PM EDT
In 2001 belfast city had Lower Falls as the most deprived area in NI, now it is the Shankill, so money has been poured into 1 working class area & not another, the politicians of both sides of Ireland inc the shinners, spend money on their little fiefdoms. The sectarian divide is as bitter as ever, we need a working class non political party that can unite to deliver better lives for all of the working class areas no matter what political persuasion, PSF are never going to deliver a UI by shaking the queen's hand, people on the ground judge parties by results & what is the shinners contribution to distributing funds to loyalist areas, zero. In Derry the EU money was spent on Catholic areas by an SDLP party, the Waterside development that got little of the cash was funded by charities from both SI & UK who could see the exclusion of the loyalist area as a major cause of resentment, pity even the SDLP were caught in the spiral of sectarian politics - all for one & one for all, should be the motto, not all for me & none for you.

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sirpeter | Jun 28, 2012, 06:24 PM EDT
seamus60.Hang on a sec there now.I was just talking about Gerry and not Sinn Fein and the information I got was from one NI article.I need more information than that.I've excepted nothing.NI is very sectarian and polarised.It's not easy getting an unbiased balanced opinion.I mean Seamus you are totally polarised in your opinion.You say Sinn Fein can do no right.But Sinn Fein are not the only parties in NI.I don't just blame FF for the mess the Republic is in.All the other parties are there too and they know what's happening as well.FG & Lab are implementing the same policies as FF.Like NI we also are stuck with the politicians we have.West Belfast kept voting Gerry in didn't they?And that my point about sectarian politics serves no one in NI- especially those on the ‘bottom rungs’ of the economic ladder.Sectarian parties are indistinguishable to an outsider and are more concerned with in-fighting than with doing their job.This is why I believe in a United Ireland.Partition and sectarianism has just dragged down the whole country and has made sh*te of NI in every way.I'll tell you one thing the only poor Prods in the country are in NI.That's if Cork is anything to go by.We have mixed clubs down here and there is never any problem.

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seamus60 | Jun 28, 2012, 01:38 PM EDT
Sirpeter . Now you`re learning and can do nothing else but agree with the reality that Gerry done nothing for West Belfast but make war. Be it with unionists around a table or in a back room with MI5/6. You still expect the people of the 26 counties to hail him a messiah coming to cure all their problems. Most people wouldn`t care as much had they both gone into a room and had a bloodbath. But why would they when they both had foot soldiers to do the blood and guts stuff. The bottom line has just been accepted by yourself. They have acheived nothing apart from stopping war ( the one they kept going) and would have no control over now anyway as all the foot soldiers know how and who used and abused them. The people of the 26 or even the 32 need people who are going to fix econimics etc. Adams and his party only have a track record of taking all they can with very little return.They `ve made a hash of everything they touch in an 06 gov. where britian allows it to continue at a high financial cost for peaces sake. The people in the 26 deserve better than we have at the moment. Thats a fact.

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sirpeter | Jun 28, 2012, 01:02 PM EDT
seamus60.You say Quote"West Belfast is STILL one of the most DEPRIVED area`s in Europe,another great achievement of SF`s"Unquote.West Belfast was ALWAYS a deprived area.Seamus look at it this way.Sinn Fein and the DUP now just sit around a table shouting at each other where as 30 years ago if you put them in the same room it would have been a bloodbath.That to me is mighty progress.I will admit it appears Gerry Adams hasn't done much for West Belfast.Why I don't really know.At the end of the day I guess sectarian politics serves no one in NI- especially those on the ‘bottom rungs’ of the economic ladder.

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ancavker | Jun 28, 2012, 11:43 AM EDT
citizen: The north was created so that the unionists would be a majority. Only problem is they took a lot of people and a big chunk of territory with them that they should not have at the time. And that was the root of the problem. Do I have to explain this to you over and over?

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seamus60 | Jun 28, 2012, 11:21 AM EDT
Sirpeter the SDLP had already undermined the loyalist mindset. They had obtained things like fair employment legislation etc. Many of their achievements for Nationalists stalled in the starting blocks because of military activity by us Republicans. We who believed Gerry and Martin when they said the same SDLP were stoops to the british. Remember statements like votes and mandates will do nothing for Irish Freedom. Only the cuttingt edge of the IRA will ever be able to remove Britian from our land. Yet all those stoop achievements are now fully endorsed and even claimed as their own by SF. Look at the headlines today, everything is about peace. Everything else is irellivent as long as the word peace remains to the forefront. Now i understand the meaning of peace at any cost.

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sirpeter | Jun 28, 2012, 11:05 AM EDT
citizen69.It's the mindset that was similar.Mitchel McLaughlin's answer saying Sinn Fein undermined the loyalist mindset is what I'm on about.The level or type of oppression is irrelevant.

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maireadinmelb | Jun 28, 2012, 06:19 AM EDT
Rangers is showing the same mathematical ability as his football club! Let him be and hopefully he too will go the way of his club!

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