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Queen Elizabeth has met bloody dictators and has blood on her own hands -- Alleging meeting Sinn Fein is dreadful for her is ridiculous

Posted on Monday, June 25, 2012 at 08:19 AM

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Queen Elizabeth will meet with Martin McGuinness later this week.

Queen Elizabeth once met with Idi Amin, the butcher of Africa, who is believed to have been responsible for 300,000 deaths in his native Uganda.

She said nary a word at this meeting about the alleged atrocities, stories of which were circulating at the time, in 1971.

Contrary to popular revisionism, Nelson Mandela was not leader of a peace loving organization called the ANC when he met Queen Elizabeth. Indeed the ANC had quite a reputation for ruthless violence at its height.

Those are just two of the leaders Queen Elizabeth has met who had blood on their hands.

Some would argue that Elizabeth herself, both historically and during her reign, had a fair amount of the red stuff spattered on her royal arms as well, given the many nasty colonial fights her country entered into in her name.

All of which is to debunk the shrieks of horror and awe in Britain and partly in Ireland now that the Queen will meet Martin McGuinness this week.

Even the Guardian that naturally Republican minded newspaper (in the British sense) newspaper had sympathy for the Queen’s plight.

The Sunday Times had its usual monarchical nonsense. Their editorial stated “Grit your Teeth Maam” and said that the queen “has to do so many unpalatable things for the good of her subjects”.

Don’t you love that word subjects? Not citizens? We in America fought a successful war to escape that designation.

The Martin McGuinness quarrel with the Queen was quite naturally that designation and that he and 500,000 other Irish were made unwilling subjects of the Queen by the utterly unjustified partition of Ireland in 1921.

That quarrel has been resolved and a fair-minded solution all around found for the present and most likely any future changes will be done peacefully.

So quite naturally, as representative of his people freely elected, Martin McGuinness should meet the queen. Both McGuinness and the Queen suffered grievous losses in the years of “The Troubles”.
It is a sure sign of the New Ireland that they can now meet as equals, both representing their people, though one is elected and one is not.

She should be happy to greet him as a symbol of the New Ireland where peace and equality will reign
It is nothing more dramatic or different than that – the British media notwithstanding.

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sirpeter | Jul 10, 2012, 09:59 AM EDT

UnRealist lol...methinks it matters not what youthinks.

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Realist | Jul 10, 2012, 07:42 AM EDT

sirpeter: Lol....methinks the lady doth protest too much.

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sirpeter | Jul 09, 2012, 09:15 PM EDT

Seamus60 & Unrealist.So now if I'm flexible and understanding.Willing to give an inch or two when I saw a genuine effort by Lizzy.That makes me a bought man?lolol.I call it as I see it.Her handshake in green to Martin impressed me.We need the Brits on board for secret talks about NI and the way forward.The Brits are following the plan to the letter.Most loyalist politicians are on board.Sinn Fein and the Democratic Unity Party (Dup)are looking forward to Dáil Éireann.They want all of Ireland.I do have little chats.And it is about how we can buy people.Important people.But not ye rabble.Ye will do as ye are told.LOL

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Realist | Jul 09, 2012, 06:18 PM EDT

seamus60: Lol....I don't think "bought" is the correct word. It seems someone may have had a little chat with sirpeter....to bring him back on message, as it were.

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seamus60 | Jul 09, 2012, 04:50 PM EDT

Sirpeter. You`re easy bought.

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sirpeter | Jul 09, 2012, 10:30 AM EDT

UnRealist.You must remember this was before her visit.I didn't think she would make such a positive contribution to the peace process with her symbolic gestures and her handshake with Martin.I have revised my opinion of her to some degree.I think the plan by the Brits is to make a genuine effort at reconciliation.I have softened somewhat towards her.I now don't wish she had an "accident" anymore and I think I can except any of them coming over anytime.The next step now is for the Orange Order to make a few radical changes.I'm still very suspicious of the Billy Boy motives for marching.Maybe integrate with the St Patrick's Day parade.Both communities won't argue over Christianity invading Ireland.If they can march with Catholics for starters in a celebration.A few more steps in helping bring unity to everybody in Ireland and I might even argue why it's in the best interest of Ireland to tolerate and even support the Orange Order tradition.But not at the moment.

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Realist | Jul 08, 2012, 08:52 AM EDT

sirpeter: On 5th February 2011 at 02:17 Eastern Standard Time you wrote, and I quote, "Liz Windsor can rot in hell as well as her bloodsucking dysfunctional family..I hope someone pushes her down some stairs accidentally on purpose. This one Irishman who won't be greeting the head of the British armed forces. Still we can only hope something might happen..The last time was when we scattered Mountbatten's Imperial ass from Sligo to Donegal in 1979.The crabs ate like royalty that day tee-hee..A great day for Ireland. He who lives by the sword dies by the sword. I hope she knows the risks."

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Realist | Jul 07, 2012, 07:05 AM EDT

seamus60: I'm afraid I can't take the credit for that assessment....those are the late Brendan Hughes' words, not mine.

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sirpeter | Jul 06, 2012, 12:33 PM EDT

Seano.lol

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seanomelb | Jul 03, 2012, 07:09 PM EDT

poor old Towngate he's scurried from the building again poor man.LOL

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sirpeter | Jul 02, 2012, 08:39 PM EDT

Creakygate.You're right about the Queen having blood on her hands.The Royal family are partial to the old bloodsports.But any clarification on which peasant subjects neck she would like to wring.Myself and Seano are not subjects of the Queen at all.

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sirpeter | Jul 02, 2012, 08:25 PM EDT

Seano.lol.I forgot about this article and the comment I made.YUP!!they are all here.I even rounded up Creakygate.He went into meltdown a good few months back when he lost an argument and now refuses to speak to me lol.The Betsy issue was some comment I was suppose to have made about having a scud missile or a WMD in my back garden or something.I couldn't find the comment and the article again.Anyway I saw no blackhawk helicopters circling overhead.lol.I guess they read a few comments from Unrealist and knew he was a Billy Boy with a great imagination.He's even saying the Brits set up the whole peace process.Well if they did it stopped the killing.I guess we can all blame the Brits for not setting it up sooner.All in favour say YAY!! LOL

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seanomelb | Jul 01, 2012, 06:57 PM EDT

Towngate is back the man who stated that Patrick Pearse was a fascist racist.How Irish of him oops! I meant to say how west Brit of him.

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seamus60 | Jul 01, 2012, 02:08 PM EDT

Realist it really pains me to agree but a spades a spade.

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Towngate | Jul 01, 2012, 06:31 AM EDT

The Queen of Northern Ireland and Great Britain famously had blood on her hands when she was photographed wringing a pheasants neck to end its suffering. No prizes for guessing which of her peasant subjects she'd like to do that to!

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