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Obama finally takes on immigration lynch mob

Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 at 07:37 PM

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DennisQ | Jul 09, 2010, 07:01 PM EDT

It happens that the economic impact of immigration policy has been studied by real scholars, not just the political hacks who write for the Federation for Immigration Reform. One scholarly report worthy of the name was commissioned by the Council for Foreign Relations and is called, "The Economic Logic of Illegal Immigration." The lead author, University of California Prof. Gordon Hanson, finds that so-called reform measures premissed on the belief that illegal immigrants harm America will be useless and counterproductive. By contrast, Jack Martin and Erick Ruark, authors of the FAIR report, have no independent reputation aside from their connection with an anti-immigration pressure group.

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MotherIrish | Jul 09, 2010, 01:42 PM EDT

Oh and take your periscope (parts of which my legal immigrant uncle designed a whole lot of years ago) and shove it up a jackal's behind. And who do you think the jackal is - you or Obama??

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MotherIrish | Jul 09, 2010, 01:39 PM EDT

We who approve of the AZ law, are not a lynch mob. That is the kind of rheortic you get from liberal who can not stand the truth. The real truth of the matter is that he has to make some sort of stand to get the illegal aliens (they are not immigrants)as they are potential voters for the Dems. You are such a piece of liberal crap! You do not know US law and you need to keep your nose out of that which you know little or nothing such as this issue.

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Taylor55 | Jul 09, 2010, 11:24 AM EDT

I know that is why Nancy Pelosi supports racist modern immigration, because most of them are Catholic like her.

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Taylor55 | Jul 09, 2010, 11:23 AM EDT

Liam, Since you feel "modern immigrants" enter or stay illegally in the USA, where are the the activists demanding the 1 billion modern immigrants from Asia and Africa be allowed into the USA? The US government does not let them in like they let in Latino modern immigrants, isn't that racism, only letting in one race of modern immigrants, not all races? Maybe you support this racist modern immigration system because the one race primarily allowed in are mostly Catholic, and most of the other races are not? Is that why you support this racist modern immigration?

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Taylor55 | Jul 09, 2010, 11:18 AM EDT

Liam, You know most everyone in the world by your definition is "non-native", for example your Irish ancestors migrated from the Middle East and replaced (exterminated) Neanderthal Man. Also the American Indians were not the original inhabitants of America, the Solutreans from France were.

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Taylor55 | Jul 09, 2010, 11:14 AM EDT

Dennis, Still waiting for your report showing illegal aliens and their children pour billions and trillions more in the US and States treasuries than they take out.

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McNamara31 | Jul 09, 2010, 10:25 AM EDT

IrishandProud...When the young Nigerian boy was killed in Dublin, you posted: "it can be said that Nigerians and Africans in general simply CANNOT fit in with Eire, like other groups. Assimilation has its limits, and always has, in every single culture. It's a fact of humanity. Come on...how can anyone reasonably dispute that? And in the case of black African Nigerians wandering around in Ireland...well, right there, alone, need I say more?" ------------------------------------------------- Whether it's a Nigerian boy, a Mexican immigrant or a black President your rhetoric remains constant. These are the same narrow minded views, the Irish encountered when they first arrived in New York, and don't give me that argument that they were legal. They arrived at a time when America had a great need for workers; to mine, build railroads and serve. So it worked for America, and it worked for the immigrant. Our ancestors left horrible circumstances under British rule who considered them "white apes" of the day, and then arrived in America only to find much of the same prejudice here. There are immigrants and there are criminals, two separate issues, one should be treated with fairness and empathy, the other, by the same laws we answer to.

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catmann | Jul 09, 2010, 07:14 AM EDT

IMPEACH OBOZO FOR TREASON.

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seanomelbourne | Jul 09, 2010, 07:14 AM EDT

Irishandproud I realise you are closer to the "pulse"than I am. I have followed U.S. politics for some years and I think you are correct both parties are on the nose. This may ultimately save the dems as a fair slice of GOP moderates abhor the tea party's extreme rhetoric,time will tell. What do you base your secessionist views on? is it liberalism versus conservatism or something more sinister.

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IrishAndProud | Jul 09, 2010, 05:57 AM EDT

Correction: ANGLE vs. Reid in Nevada (Angle is ahead in every single poll, there). If she's an 'extremist,' (what liberals call a perfectly mainstream American), then what's she doing in the lead?

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IrishAndProud | Jul 09, 2010, 05:50 AM EDT

Also realize, too, that anyone can come back and confront you with your own posts, if you make a rash prediction and are wrong.

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IrishAndProud | Jul 09, 2010, 05:48 AM EDT

Oh, I forgot to add: If you don't state that, then you don't have much faith in your own words...but if you DO state that, Dennis...then you're really going out on a limb, and taking a major risk of some major embarrassement, particularly with every national electoral indicator in the USA pointing the OPPOSITE way of what you've said. I remember one poster (on another site) who arrogantly bragged that Scott Brown's supporters would be 'apologizing' the next day, after he lost that election. Well...'nuff said. Are you willing to take that same egg-on-face risk right now, and predict unequivocally that Reid will win, and that the Repubs won't take control of either House? Whatever happens, you'll at the very least have uncertainty about the matter hanging over your head until November...and with the odds as they are currently, well...it wouldn't be a very pleasant four months.

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IrishAndProud | Jul 09, 2010, 05:36 AM EDT

If that's the case, DennisQ, then perhaps you could explain why Lowden is far, far ahead of Reid in every single poll, there. Your post about this November's elections is nonsensical, and has no basis in reality, whatsoever. Of course, I believe that is precisely your point. Denying reality is the ultimate in passive aggression. Would you be willing to state right here, right now, that the GOP will NOT regain control of either House of congress, this November -- and that Reid will be re-elected? If not, then you don't have much faith in your own words.

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DennisQ | Jul 09, 2010, 04:51 AM EDT

LiamDavid, Immigration is only a stand-in for a variety of issues, all bearing on the anxiety and sense of loss that Americans have been experiencing over the past three decades. Reagan called his presidency "morning in America" but signs of decline were already evident. Despite Republican reassurances, their remedies of militarism and aggressive tax cuts only accelerated the decline. Today we are faced with lost wars, lost jobs, and lost prestige. Frightened Americans look for a scapegoat and find one in undocumented workers. Our ambivalence about immigration "reform" comes from awareness that deporting hard-working foreigners is probably not the answer, just as militarism and tax cuts were not the answer either. The decline continues.

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