Mitt Romney wins the first debate against a listless Barack Obama -- A debate with a flood of facts and figures to befuddle everyone
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| Mitt Romney and Barack Obama at the Denver presidential debate |
In a debate weighed down by facts and figures and financial data, Romney was faster on his feet than Obama.
The aura of invincibility that descends on every White House occupant was scraped off by Romney’s combative performance.
It was Obama’s first debate in four years and it showed. He seemed disengaged, not the fiery candidate who took the stage by storm four years ago against John McCain.
Beforehand 72 percent of Americans thought Obama would win, the typical numbers for an incumbent. So Romney did far better coming from a lower expectation base.
But while Romney won on style, Obama landed some punches, especially when focused on Romney’s plan to cut $5 trillion in taxes.
“We have a horse race,” said David Gergen on CNN, the most seasoned of all political operatives who gave Romney the verdict on a night that may have changed the course of the race for the White House.
Even James Carville, the attack dog Democrat, had little good to say about Obama’s performance, saying he gave the impression he did not want to be there.
“The president did not bring his “A” game," said Carville
Obama was somehow subdued, his best moments were in his closing remarks when he finally felt and looked passionate when asking the American people for four more years.
At the same time, the two were reminiscent of two fighters clutching each other in the center of the ring without landing any punches for very long periods.
In the end, there was no knockdown, no moment like when Ronald Reagan floored Jimmy Carter, or Lloyd Bentsen when he decked Dan Quayle with his “You’re no Jack Kennedy” line.
All of which means that Romney will pick up some momentum making this a closer race than the pundits were predicting just a few weeks ago.
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EphraimKibbey | Oct 04, 2012, 11:52 PM EDT
jflanagan - Here is were the 5 trillion comes from: 1. Romney has been saying he wants a 20% reduction in Income tax rates to spur the economy. 2. That (without any offsets from deductions) would cut current revenues by half a trillion per year. 3. Congressional budgets are done for a 10 year period. 4. 10 times 1/2 trillion equals 5 trillion. 5. Since there is not enough money in deductions from the rich to cover that bill, middle class deductions would have to be also cut and even after the 20% rate reduction, that would add $2000 to the average family of four's tax liability. 6. The only way not to add to middle class taxes would be to put the rest of the 5 trillion on our tab with Red China. See Ryan, the math isn't THAT hard!
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anglo-norman | Oct 04, 2012, 11:19 PM EDT
Obama was a disgrace to the office he holds & the american people with his meek performance last night. His demeanor is indictitive of his term in Office. Romney lied but so did every candidate before him including Obama. Clinton was a liar but a good President.
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pilib04 | Oct 04, 2012, 10:49 PM EDT
Oh sure, we are to trust a Brit to run the country. Sorry folks, I'll stick with the man from Moneygall, Offaly, even though he obviously has not kissed the Blarney Stone.
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KatieMurphy | Oct 04, 2012, 10:48 PM EDT
Just plss remember - Mitt has sold out to the very very wealthy of the repubs, eg $20 billion Koch brothers...........This gang would destroy Medicare and social security - the compacts between generations to insure our old folks and our selves eventually a comfortable old age and protection of life...........Voting for Romney is like voting for the leader of the devils lair............It could become like the dark ages of zero social and economic progress for the 99%........
As for Romney its not how he presents himself, its what the repub party goals are - making "middle class" a past tense idea in our society.
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Maere | Oct 04, 2012, 10:05 PM EDT
I was sickened while listening to Romney saying how much he cares about the elderly. I contacted his office when he was Governor of Massachusetts regarding the abuse of my elderly mother, Peggy Revene, who had MS and alzheimer's. My mother was a victim of elder abuse. Because one of the family members involved with the abuse was a snitch for the Westboro Police Department and according to former PD Chief, Glenn Parker, the abuser was also a snitch for the MA State Police.
I NEVER heard back from romney.
Two years ago this month, I went to an MS function, to speak to ann romney. She just announced that she had breast cancer as well as her well publicized MS. I was handed a microphone and the whole presentation was being recorded. ann was gracious and sympathetic when I told her my mother was also a breast cancer survivor and had MS and alzheimer's and was a victim of elder abuse. I asked for her help (didn't mention anything about the former gov) and she volunteered that "they" still had friends in high places in MA. She asked that I provide my contact info to the event coordinator, which I did. I called several times without getting a response and was finally told that mrs. romney doesn't deal with the public. We are the public. maureen.revene@hotmail.com
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Tom Mo | Oct 04, 2012, 09:38 PM EDT
By the way Niall, I, for one one, was not "befuddled" by the facts. The lies were straightened out though. Notice The Won never brought up the 47% or the "war on women."?
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Tom Mo | Oct 04, 2012, 09:33 PM EDT
I think Prince Albert Gore got it right. The altitude affected The Won. It was either that or the latitude, or probably the attitute of The Won. He felt it was beneath him to even be there. Wonder how Michelle felt? Him getting screwed by another man on their anniversary.
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jflanagan | Oct 04, 2012, 08:58 PM EDT
I think it showed that the President was very good against Senator McCain, not the best orator, but was as overwhelmed by Governor Romney as he has been by the Presidency. Also, the rich don't even make a TOTAL of 5 Trillion Dollars a year so how can he give them a 5 Trillion Dollar tax break? Just a bunch of divisive lies to try and pander to the poor while he dismantles the middle class.
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Smyrnian | Oct 04, 2012, 08:26 PM EDT
I think Big Bird is quite safe; not so Obama's reelection chances.
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IrishAndProud | Oct 04, 2012, 07:36 PM EDT
Of course, Obama will now go aggressive and negative, big time, against Romney in the remaining debates. The problem is, he still won't have any substance to do it, with. So instead of just being mopey and incompetent, he'll be loud, brash, obnoxious and offensive, in ADDITION to being mopey and incompetent. His dwindling supporters still don't get it. Even though they and what remains of Obama's fawning press will declare his next performance(s) to be '100% better than last time -- he really came out swinging!', it still won't ultimately matter. Obama will still have no record to brag about, and nothing nationally will have changed since the first debate (save for even less support for Obama, since then)...and shouting his nonsense at Romney rather than speaking it won't help him at all; quite the reverse.
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eiriamach | Oct 04, 2012, 07:32 PM EDT
Look at the fact-checking fallout before congratulating Mitt. Obama is not the only one dizzy from Romney-spin, and Big Bird is hiring bodyguards. Today, Obama is asking which Romney was onstage last night: "I met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be Mitt Romney,... But it couldn’t be Mitt Romney, because the real Mitt Romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. The fellow onstage last night said he didn’t know anything about that" (NY Times). Big Bird tweeted, "Newt just called: 'If I had a penny for every time Romney lies; I could fund PBS AND build a Moon Colony.'" When the people have heard enough, they'll realize that voting for Romney would put a compulsive liar in the Oval Office.
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kaydog1 | Oct 04, 2012, 07:12 PM EDT
Actually, Niall, I think Obama DID bring his "A" game to the debate last night - it simply isn't a very good level of "A" game. This debate put me in mind of the opening sequence of the movie "Apocalypse, Now", where Captain Willard voice-overs that the time he has spent in a Saigon hotel has made him weak, while the time "Charlie" (the Vietcong) has spent "squatting in the bush" has made Charlie stronger. In this case, Romney has continued to prepare ever since the 2008 election cycle. He's dealt with hostility from 'impartial journalists' who hate hime for who they think he is, for who they pretend he is, and for things they've simply made up about him. Romney has had to think out his defenses, fine-tune his message, and deal with all the negativity and hatred of the Left. It has made him strong. During the same 4 years, Obama has NEVER gone anywhere without first packing the location with cheering sycophants, has held very few press conferences and for those always carefully selected the questions to be asked, and only gave media interviews to his most loyal adherents among the lap-dog media. This same media have covered for Obama at every turn, and so the best description I can think of to identify a Liberal Journalist is 'one who has never EVER criticized Obama.' That would be almost ALL of them. The end result of all this coddling from the Obama/Media personality cult is that last night, probably for the first time EVER, someone told Mr Obama that he was WRONG, and disagreed with him - right there to his face!!!! And there were no cheering crowds to tell him how good, and how right, and how wonderful, and how noble he is. It was
like watching a toddler hear the word "NO" for the very first time - he was shattered. Yes, it's a beautiful thing to watch our no-talent-hack little boy of a President growing up before our very eyes, isn't it ?
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Springfield9 | Oct 04, 2012, 05:52 PM EDT
is there no limit to your arrogance???? I am not "befuddled" by facts and figures. perhaps it is because I majored in Engineering instead of classes where Journalism is really releasing butterflies from your ears.
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Canal Rat | Oct 04, 2012, 05:40 PM EDT
Searlit,
Can you give an example of what you found rude about Gov. Romney. Considering that politics ain't bean bag, he seemed to me to be a gentleman. You're the first person I've heard say that he was rude.
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