Joe Biden wins debate by not losing and ‘malarkey’ accusations fly -- Biden, Ryan donnybrook was a debate to really remember - VIDEO
By: Niall O'Dowd | Published Friday, October 12, 2012, 2:00 PM | Updated Friday, October 12, 2012, 2:00 PM
Joe Biden & Paul Ryan in last nights debate (Credit: AP/Charlie Neibergall)
A CBS poll of undecided voters gave last night’s debate 50 to 31 percent to Joe Biden while a CNN poll of all voters gave it to Ryan by 48 percent to 44 percent.
I think Joe Biden shaded the debate last night by just being himself and clearly not losing. That’s not a load of "malarkey", ie hot air. The Irish expression somehow made it into the middle of the presidential debate, though some spell it "mullarkey".
Biden is one of the most liked men in politics, and that is what came across in the debate.
I have met Biden many times, interviewed him once when he was a senator, and always came away impressed with his easy manner and basic decency.
He has an easy Irish charm, hail-fellow well met and the Vice Presidency suits him well.
That was what came across with the Ryan stand-off. He was keeping Paul Ryan under pressure but managed it in an amiable way and he “righted the ship” as political editor Gloria Borger on CNN noted.
Biden accused his fellow Irish American of "malarkey" at every opportunity and kept Ryan off balance enough so that he never got to do a Romney and slam home unchallenged assertions.
Biden accomplished what Obama never did, aggressively challenging fundamental Republican policies.
The fear of Democrats on the way in was that Biden would collapse like a burst balloon as Obama did in the first debate.
Near panic had spread through Democratic ranks after Obama’s faux pas. The slippage in the polls was a nightmare scenario come true.
There has been a tendency on the right to paint Biden as a buffoon liable to go rogue at any moment but he proved far from that.
I've been out to lunch with some friend. What's that you were saying gutter crawler,just crawl back into your trailer and switch on the Hannity show,that's about your level of understanding on all subjects.
paddyRanger | Oct 16, 2012, 11:00 AM EDT
why would any dream of the life of a moron....so seanCANTvote in USA how does it feel to know your opinion is worth squat, because you don't pay tax in the US don't live in US, stick your 12th largest economy up you know where and enjoy you etch a sketch pathetic life. for someone living such a good life....no life spending all day on here haha what a loser
seanomelb | Oct 16, 2012, 03:03 AM EDT
I live a life you can only dream of gutter trawler. I'm probably richer then Joe!! Life is good in the world's 12th. largest economy. Joe is the man and Ryan is the sketch in the etch and sketch show.
paddyRanger | Oct 15, 2012, 09:06 PM EDT
wrong again seanFailedbusinessman retard from down under......must irk you that you don't even have a vote, your opinion is as useless as you are. Biden was calm, haha the moron was off his meds..and acting like a lunatic,. I can see you not able to see that must mean that is how you act too .....
paddyRanger | Oct 15, 2012, 09:02 PM EDT
shuvonn.....get your facts straight, 264 million was the cut in the budget for Embassy security, MAINTENANCE and BUILDING, to get a platoon of marines from Italy to Libya would not have cost a fortune, to try and blame this on a budget cut is PATHETIC, it would not have cost a fortune to have side arms for those three ex serviceman and a platoon of marines....but you clearly have no idea, so nobody is LYING here except Biden and Obama ...ryan has not denied his budget it has he ??? moron
shuvonn | Oct 15, 2012, 02:59 PM EDT
Paddy ranger you are LYING the fact remains *Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said today that he voted to cut funding for U.S. embassy security amid political attacks from Republicans that the Obama administration did not do enough to secure the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya that was attacked last month.
Republicans and their allies have been trying to politicize the attack — which killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya — suggesting, without evidence, the Obama administration may have ignored intelligence that the attack was imminent, didn’t properly secure the Benghazi compound and is now trying to cover it up.
But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds this morning on CNN, Chaffetz said, “Absolutely“:*
ryan LIED, you LIED.....give it up
seanomelb | Oct 14, 2012, 07:28 PM EDT
Joe looked so relaxed and smiling at his opponents lying comments.
AvaJacquelyn | Oct 14, 2012, 06:00 PM EDT
I agree with you, moolysdee, a hundred %. Biden's Irish heritage shouldn't be a factor in judging the result of the debate. Losers usually laugh, smirk, joke, make faces, etc, which Biden did. Obama-"Burden" ticket must lose this coming election. We want real changes in this country, not just promises of changes.
mollysdee | Oct 14, 2012, 02:49 PM EDT
You must have met another Joe Biden - Joe Biden our VP is not particulary liked by anyone I know. As for the debate, he made an ass of himself - rude, condescending, inappropriate laughter, and not in command of the facts, while Paul Ryan maintained his composure, presenting his views and backing them up with facts. This country has had enough of Obama/Biden. Romney/Ryan have the values this country was based on and desparately needs to get back to ... One Nation Under God ... that's who we want to be again.
eiriamach | Oct 14, 2012, 02:43 PM EDT
For the first few days after the VP debate, I misunderstood the complaints, like some below, about Biden's "rudeness" and "arrogance." I thought such comments were written by a bunch of demure, over-refined Emily Post-ers who think a political debate is a Mr./Miss Congeniality contest, a "performance" in gentility and politesse. But now I think that's not what's going on in such comments. Every time I saw Joe Biden smile at one of Ryan's lies, I thought he was being too excessively self-restrained. He should have howled at Ryan's (and Romney's) howlers! Anyone sensitive to mis-statements of fact, I thought, would be direct and straightforward -- some call that "rude" -- about correcting them. But if folks don't know the facts, they cannot spot the howlers that ignore or misrepresent the facts. So now I think I understand these comments that Biden was "rude." That's how the truth sounds when it hears a lie and calls it a lie.
JimmyJK | Oct 13, 2012, 10:47 PM EDT
Malarkey! you gotta love it... He exposed lyin Ryan for what he is.... a pee wee herman look alike who feeds Americans lies and has not clue about foreign policy.... one who would like increase unwanted pregnancies but not provide the parent or child with food, education or shelter. He would like to destroy the American government by eliminating all agencies except some protection... if you don't believe me then read Ayn Rand..... He wants to unburden the already over burdened ultra wealthy.... it's so tough being ultra wealthy and competing with your neighbor that they really need tax breaks..... Our government is not perfect and needs reform but romney/ryan do not care about Americans only ultra wealthy Americans.....
I was captivated by Biden during the debate he spoke the truth and put a cork in the lies and exposed the truth.... even the moderator kept asking ryan to elaborate and he could not do so....
boydshield | Oct 13, 2012, 10:21 PM EDT
You were in the pub, drinking &by half listening to the debate if you truly feel Biden won. He was rude, laughed about the war, Did anything Biden said or did REALLY make you & yours stay on this Mad hatter's ride another 4 years? And you talk about a cut in government services? Why not quit paving the road with gold for those who WILL NOT work? Not can't, WON'T.
seanomelb | Oct 13, 2012, 08:10 PM EDT
paddyranger the gutter trawler is back with his teabagger views
pilib04 | Oct 13, 2012, 07:59 PM EDT
NMcNallyM911. Watch your mouth. The good Sister Catherine says Biden won, that's more than enough for me.
NMcNallyM911 | Oct 13, 2012, 04:06 PM EDT
You couldn't have watched the debate if you think Biden won. He was rude and condescending. Didn't know facts...but he did do better than his boss!
Pittsburghkid | Oct 13, 2012, 03:34 PM EDT
Biden was on medication. Ryan was talking about the War, and Biden was laughing. Is War a funny matter. Everyone knows Social Securtiy is going bankrupt. Ryan is presenting plans, and Biden is laughing. Is this the reaction of a rational man.
paddyRanger | Oct 13, 2012, 02:43 PM EDT
eiriamach.....absolute nonsense, Before Ryan could even speak in the opening 5 minutes Biden came out with three whoppers.Biden claimed that Ryan “cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for.” Biden is exaggerating. In fact, the budget for embassy security, construction and maintenance came out $264 million lower than requested. And, as the name says, this is not only for security. First lie,. Another incorrect statement by Biden on Libya came when he said, “We weren’t told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security” shocking utter lie, not only did they ask for more security they did it a half dozen times, perhaps Biden should check what is being testified in front of congress right now.Ryan called out President Obama for not calling the assault on U.S. ambassador Stevens a terrorist-attack: “ It took the president two weeks to acknowledge that this was a terrorist attack.” he only referred to it as a reaction to the video — even in his speech at the United Nations. And Biden lied over that too saying the Intelligence Community told them this, which is a huge lie the Intel said the NEXT day it was a terror attack
shop tom | Oct 13, 2012, 11:16 AM EDT
Winning by not losing is a silly assumption. Biden lost by being boorish, immature, and unfactual. But then, nobody expected anything different.
eiriamach | Oct 13, 2012, 11:14 AM EDT
PaddyRanger, Joe Biden straightforwardly tagged the lies told by Paul Ryan. Among them, just on taxes (there was much more on health care and other issues): Romney's 20% cut in taxes across the board is not workable without huge cuts in govt services, as explained by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center's August study. Ryan's claim that "six studies" have shown it is workable refers to bloggers, campaign staff writers, and Bush administration "economists' words, not to the work of any independent research economists. Biden also countered Ryan's lie that Obama's tax reform would “tax about 53 percent of small-business income” with the truth that Ryan counts multimillion-dollar hedge funds and thousands of other high-income enterprises as “small businesses"-- a particularly deceptive lie for the mom-and-pop shop owners. Ryan uses biased sources for his "data," and Biden responded with facts, accurately stated, for the most part.
paddyRanger | Oct 13, 2012, 10:41 AM EDT
eiriamach"Surgical precision," precisely! Biden was flush with facts….Nonsense, Biden was the biggest
liar there, he was called out on the biggest lies all night, his did not know they requested security in Benghazi, did not know it
was a terrorist attack, only what the Intell told him, unfortunately for him the Intel said the NEXT day it was a terror
attack….BIDEN also lied about the Catholic organistation’s he is called out time and time again as a liar and you
think he was flush with facts,….only flush here should be someone needs to flush the turd Biden and you down
a toilet
pilib04 | Oct 13, 2012, 10:14 AM EDT
Got to watch the Biden Ryan debate at Dempsey's Restaurant in Columbus with the NUNS ON THE BUS. Great to see such a crowd come out in support of Catholic Social Justice and Healthcare for all. Place was packed. The crowd definitely felt that Biden not only held his own, but clearly delineated the necessity for healthcare and the problem with Romney's 47% issue. Go raibh maith agat to the Nuns On The Bus!
Nicoletta | Oct 13, 2012, 08:31 AM EDT
He came across as patronizing and overbearing. His position on abortion is akin to: "I would never commit murder myself but don't think I have the right to stop others from committing murder." With his views. he cannot honestly claim to be a Catholic.
BippyBellito | Oct 13, 2012, 07:40 AM EDT
Joe Biden is a sad, protypical Crazy Mick Uncle who started drinking too early in the day to make any sense later on. He came across mor like R.P. McMurtry (see Jack Nicholsen's role) than James Joyce. Joe Biden is the quintessential Irish American Idiot, himself full of malarkey but smelling it on others.
anglo-norman | Oct 13, 2012, 01:15 AM EDT
Gotta say Niall you are very objective NOT. Biden was a disgrace & looked like a clown.
anglo-norman | Oct 13, 2012, 12:23 AM EDT
Thank you EK for showing how the obama paid soldiers cannot be objective.
EphraimKibbey | Oct 13, 2012, 12:18 AM EDT
Joe Biden, you are a NATIONAL TREASURE!!! Finally someone fact checking these bozos in real time. This is what a REAL debate looks like. America has been spoiled with lights and buzzers for too long. A DEBATE is not two guys alternately each giving prepared speechs about a handful of talking points. When you debate, you ARGUE your points back and forth just like Joe did and Ryan tried to do. Unfortunately for Ryan, Romney's positions are all lies and Joe countered them expertly. Ryan's lack of knowledge on Foreign Policy showed that he is definitely NOT ready to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency of the United States of America and Biden's in depth knowledge showed exactly why he IS. Why is it that the GOP are such cry babies when they lose and LOSE Ryan surely did.
irishpjk | Oct 12, 2012, 11:28 PM EDT
If you ask what I think why is it that when I agree with what you write my comments stay, and if I disagree they disappear very quickly? Just wondering and am I the only one this happens to I doubt it.
irishpjk | Oct 12, 2012, 11:11 PM EDT
wtf. Why I believe Joe Biden was a looser last night, as a citizen of this country I was embarrassed by the condescending attitude of my vice president which he chose to display by laughing while Paul Ryan was speaking. By his ignorant and arrogant interruptions of Mr. Ryan, I also believe he stretched the truth by quite a bit; I am too polite to say he may have lied about a few things. He also insulted my Irish heritage which will cost him a vote in November.
patrickesq | Oct 12, 2012, 07:44 PM EDT
I trust Biden/Obama on all the important issues of national security without additional warfare, a tax code based on one's ability to pay, reasonable access to quality health care and health and income security for senior citizens. The vague promises of Romney/Ryan on these issues cannot be trusted.
joan1954 | Oct 12, 2012, 07:42 PM EDT
Granted Biden was arrogant and unfortunately this is not my parents Democratic Party. Gone are the days that the Dems understood the working class, they have alienated themselves from the likes of the independets.
Maxwells | Oct 12, 2012, 06:43 PM EDT
Biden's performance may have soothed the liberal base, but it cost him the independent and undecided votes, he was far more arrogant and unappealing then ever, only diehard loyalists would believe thats a good thing in a candidate.
eiriamach | Oct 12, 2012, 06:07 PM EDT
"Surgical precision," precisely! Biden was flush with facts and justified the administration's policies well. He discredited Ryan on the 20% tax cut, foreign policy (war against Iran, Paul? An exploding Middle East?), Medicare and social security, abortion, and separation of church and state. Some people here seem to think that a debate is a performance contest in Emily Post etiquette. Nope. And Joe was a little toooo kind to the neophyte Ryan, letting him get away with bluster about tax cuts and no specifics about paying for them.
eiriamach | Oct 12, 2012, 06:01 PM EDT
Now that's not a subjective observation, is it? many others feel that Ryan won.
EdShevlin | Oct 12, 2012, 05:55 PM EDT
As someone on TV said this morning, the clear winner was Joe Biden's dentist! Smilin' Joe was sent out to try to bluster and blow away his opponent, but overplayed his role like a ham actor in an off Broadway show. Crude, rude and not worthy of the VP of the USA. Biden was apparently too busy being prepped for the debate that he wasn't aware that his statements about the Bengazzi attack were directly contradictory to sworn testimony in the Congress. I will not use the Obama administration's tactic of calling your opponent a liar because he apparently still didn't know the facts and like Obama, he has misrepresented the positions of his opponents on the issues so often that he begins to believe his own rubbish, rabble-babble, double talk and nonsense. Joe Biden is personally a truly likeable guy who can hold his own being himself; however he was sent out to play a role and badly over acted it. He came off a a blatherskite! Paul Ryan maintained a professionall demeanor and stuck to the facts. Unfortunately with the interruptions and histrionics by Biden, he wasn't given a proper forum .. even cut off twice by the moderator who gave Biden much too much leeway in his decorum. Bottom line: The real loser in all this is Niall O'Dowd for his audacious lack of objectivity.
paddyo | Oct 12, 2012, 05:53 PM EDT
If this were a race result, it would show Biden finishing first, but being disqualified. His behavior was incredibly rude, laughing and making faces to distract the viewer, cutting in on Ryan 31 times. The moderator let him and when Ryan wanted to reply, she would say let's move on. I have never seen more unprofessional behaviour by a vice president.
paddyRanger | Oct 12, 2012, 05:51 PM EDT
Biden......is the perfect argument for term limits the man is a waste of rations, a sorry excuse for a human being, the biggest liar in Washington, he smirked when talking about deaths of Anericans in Benghazi, can one of you lefty morons explain what is so funny with death's of an American Ambassador, 2 Ex Navy seals and an Ex Air Force guy
paddyRanger | Oct 12, 2012, 05:49 PM EDT
hahahaha surgical precision, another blinder from the moron downunder....by your own words you live in Australia, you don't live in USA, you don't pay tax here, why doesnt an ignorant moron who has no say in what happens in USA feck off
seanomelb | Oct 12, 2012, 05:40 PM EDT
Biden proved he was a seasoned,well informed VP and cut through the GOP Bull with surgical precision.
joeboy1 | Oct 12, 2012, 05:19 PM EDT
Joe Biden should have retired along time ago he another carreer politician who been in Washington way to long ,please Joe find the nearest golf course and get the hell out of politics !
Chiefjustice | Oct 12, 2012, 04:50 PM EDT
I watched the debate, very closley. And Have read the Comments. Thay are all deepley devided along party lines. So in My humble openion ,,It was Cousin Paul that won....
aloistmartin | Oct 12, 2012, 04:31 PM EDT
Biden Failed, to terrier Paul Ryan from his Great White burrow. With the longest Liberal Administration since F.D.R. ( Kennedy/Johnson ) on the line, you would think Biden would have gone after Ryan/Romney like a Wolverine after a Dog Bone ! The Cold Hard, Fact of the Matter is, Biden`s Clinton/Obama patronizing of the Bourgeois " Middle Class " ( The Middle Class is the Backbone of America ?/ Now That`s What I Call Malarkey ! ) only illustrates the utter futility of Bi-Partisan American Politics.
Abolish the Egalitarian Capitalist Caste System !
Support Jerry White of the Socialist Equality Party for President of the Untied States of America !
allentown | Oct 12, 2012, 04:17 PM EDT
CNN Poll Ryan wins. Not only did Ryan win, but he won being more likeable to young women voters. Why not---------when you have an old VP with hair plugs, a made over face and bleached teeth being totally disrespectful of the young Congressman who maintained his poise during Biden's incessant interruptions, smirking and blurting out words trying to stem the clear, concise comments of Paul Ryan.
McNamara31 | Oct 12, 2012, 04:04 PM EDT
As Biden said last night "use your common sense" America. Do you want to vote for someone who is totally beholding to corporate greed as Ryan/Romney is time and time again. Whether its trying to privatize social security, as Ryan would love to do, or destroying medicare as the foundation of medical security for the elderly, as he'd also like to do...or put your faith in a team who knows the importance of these basic American principles? Americans have to wake up and see the American dream is being slowly eroded; taking away all that once meant "being American". The powers of corporate greed are after your job (by outsourcing) raiding your pension (like Bain Capital did) after your healthcare, medicare and social security because the transfer of those funds would mean trillions to Wall St.And, they are working around the country to bust all unions so the working middle class will have no organized voice to represent them. Remember, if you enjoy yourself this weekend, thank the unions because before them, having the weekend off was non existent, and if Ryan/Romney get in we'll be steps away from those days again.
Mairin67 | Oct 12, 2012, 03:09 PM EDT
I wish I knew where you Repubs come up with your weird notions. Someone mentioned that it was "rude" of Biden to take notes during the debate. Well if you would get your head out of your narrow minded Repub Toosh, you'd see ALL the candidates take notes during a debate...Ryan did, Romney did as did Obama. What were you watching?
TexasMJM | Oct 12, 2012, 02:51 PM EDT
"When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, the foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest" - Proverbs 29:9; or something like that.
whiteycat | Oct 12, 2012, 02:22 PM EDT
Biden with all the smirks and laughter was not VP material, nor did he win any points with people who are undecided.
Helen Ferone | Oct 12, 2012, 02:19 PM EDT
I thought Joe Biden would win hands down being a seasoned politician, but the up-start young Irishman held his own againt him, and even caught good ol' Joe in several lies. Also, very rude for Joe to take notes during the debate, and his continuous smile was to rattle Paul, but it didn't work. No wonder the seals have a special name for Joe. Read the book and find out.
KweenOHearts | Oct 12, 2012, 02:16 PM EDT
Let's see... out of 43 comments on this one-sided piece of slobbering lib "mullarkey," only 7 so far see any merit on the participation of that blithering neigh-haying jackass who masquarades as a VP for the most inept and corrupt administration in American history. -- It is quite interesting to note as well, that those few who think Bidet --given the condescending, idiotic and outright lying remarks he was clearly programmed to spout off by his panicked coaches-- is deserving of credit by anyone claiming to belong to the human race. Therefore, it is quite possible those few who admire the grinning imbecile must have been watching either in a padded cell at the local State hospital, or in the planet Pluto (whose earthling name btw, is Goofy). -- The sane among us saw the attack-dog in full display of his limited capacity as 'debater,' and apparently so did the majority of viewers. Including two of the TV channels whose sympathies NEVER stray too far away from the 'dark side': CNN and NBC. They gave the win to Ryan at 48-44 and 52 to 36 respectively; so that tell us quite a bit, doesn't it?
BigDaddy | Oct 12, 2012, 02:05 PM EDT
It would serve conservatives well to have to live under Romney/Ryan. However, that would condemn intelligent people to that same fate. Smiling is not laughing maniacally. If you are too stupid to see that Romney is a dolt and Ryan is a water carrier for the Kochs then please don't have children. But judging by what I've seen, you people make rabbits look inhibited.
Frosty38 | Oct 12, 2012, 01:40 PM EDT
This was in a Boston Newspaper and you will NOT see it on FOXNEWS I did email it to them
Mitt Romney stops mentioning how he met ex-Navy SEAL killed in Libya after mother's complaint that he was using son's death for 'political agenda'
Mother of ex-Navy SEAL says Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is exploiting her son's death on the campaign trail
Romney revealed this week that he had met the former soldier who was killed last month in the Libyan terror attacks
Romney campaign says the nominee will no longer make reference to Glen Doherty
ceceann | Oct 12, 2012, 01:35 PM EDT
OMG--O'Dowd you have lost all credibility. Biden was not only disrespectful to his opponent and the moderator but, by laughing when the discussion was on serious issues, he was disrespectful to the entire nation. He acted deranged and gives further worry to the fact that he is a heartbeat away from being President. His performance did, however, make me happy that nothing has happened to Obama. Obama is the lesser of those two evils.
@Eschetic--Your discription of O'Dowd as a writer with a consistently conservative bias discounts anything that comes after.
travelmpq | Oct 12, 2012, 01:34 PM EDT
So apparently you can "win" a debate by interrupting, laughing maniacly and being an all around boor.
joreilly | Oct 12, 2012, 01:21 PM EDT
HELLOOOOO you blind republicans.Check out the fact checkers !
As usual the republicans lie thru their teeth SHAMELESSLY witout any fear of being caught out 'cause they know that America has a short memory.They'll say anything it takes to get elected and put us back into the doldrums of yesterdays.
MegK311 | Oct 12, 2012, 01:16 PM EDT
Niall, How could you write a bunch of Malarkey and expect us to agree with you. Here is a scripture from the NIV version of the bible. Proverbs 29: 9 - If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs and there is no quiet. Biden acted like a ill behaved child laughing and carrying on. Ryan was the adult trying to be respectful to his elder which we were taught to do. For Biden to laugh, giggle and grin through the whole debate was distracting and made it difficult to follow the debate. I don't think anyone won and the moderator did a terrible job and she was obviously supporting Biden.
mreinhar2001 | Oct 12, 2012, 01:08 PM EDT
Joe Biden only "won" the debate if one has poor communication skills (that is based on North American standards). He simply demonstrated a model of rudeness in communication. Americans: vote for whoever you will for US president, but Joe Biden must have his Annie Glenn award (from the American Speech and Hearing Association for overcoming a communication disorder) revoked ASAP. He is no longer a role model for others who have a communication. disorder
paddyRanger | Oct 12, 2012, 01:02 PM EDT
Hunter 993 "Biden showed great restraint sitting next " WHAT....what planet are you from Biden showed restraint, do you know what restraint means, Biden was acting like a moron, a 5 year old shows more restraint and common decency and respect to someone they debate, he shouted made faces like a loon.
Eschetic | Oct 12, 2012, 12:53 PM EDT
The reaction of some readers is laugh worthy when you consider that a writer with as consistent a conservative bias as O'Dowd acknowledges that the round went to Biden, an objective viewer has to rate it as a rout. I was not at all surprised that the Vice President came across as the experienced adult PREPARED to BE the President if called upon - I may still be a Republican but I was never so proud of my fellow Delawarean - or that the gym-fit Ryan spouted his candidate's distorted numbers (caught by most of the independent fact checkers afterwards) and tried to flaunt his Sophomores' economic knowledge. What DID surprise me was how simply weasily our party's VP contender came across. We *know* he's smarter than Sarah Palin or Dan Quayle - but he didn't look THAT much smarter or more trustworthy last night. We're back where we were before the first debate - and that means "advantage" (well earned) "to the incumbant."
Eschetic | Oct 12, 2012, 12:41 PM EDT
I think it was absolutely appropriate for Joe Biden to laugh and insult Paul Ryan because he was repeatedly not telling the truth, and that is frustrating to deal with. All politicians lie, but Ryan and Romney have done a record-breaking amount of it and Americans who want to buy into a fairy-tale keep drinking it. There are many, many journalists who have been documenting the amount of complete lies they've been spewing. Romney/Ryan are selling snake oil folks. THERE IS NO QUICK FIX FOR AMERICA. THERE IS JUST HARD WORK, FISCAL AUSTERITY, INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACY AND PATIENCE AHEAD OF US IF WE ARE NOT TO FALL AS A NATION. Romney/Ryan are trying to sell some quick fix that won't work (tax cuts for the rich and de-regulations of banks and Wall Street which got us into this mess). Joe Biden and Barack Obama have every right to tell those tell those lying cheats to piss off. And then when they do I'm going to rip Obama/Biden and congress a new one for not doing a better job.
tom77381 | Oct 12, 2012, 12:40 PM EDT
BIDEN'S IMPERSONATION OF JACK NICHOLSON LAST NIGHT PROVES THE OLD PROVERB "EMPTY BARRELS DO MAKE THE MOST NOISE"
paddyRanger | Oct 12, 2012, 12:38 PM EDT
Absolute garbage O'Dowd you should be ashamed of your self for writing such a journalistic piece of garbage "Biden is one of the most liked men in politics, and that is what came across in the debate.".......THAT is not what came across from this debate at all, he came across as a utter gobshite, he did not come with one concrete example of HOW the obama/biden regime would help the middle class, he just claimed we are on the right path...WE are not on the right path at all. He also lied through his teeth and throw the Intelligence community under the bus...he claims the Intell did not say they needed more security for Bengahzi or that it was a terrorist attack, THEY said it was one the day after....BIDEN is a liar and a worthless sorry excuse for a human being
kilgarvan | Oct 12, 2012, 12:28 PM EDT
Really Niall, how do you call yourself a journalist? Biden is well liked? Fumble again. Just give up being a newspaper and call yourself what you are, a red rag waving liberal biased blogger. Not good for circulation I'll wager, btw how's that going? lol!
powsmias | Oct 12, 2012, 12:28 PM EDT
rebelforce is a liberal moron.
weeknocky | Oct 12, 2012, 12:18 PM EDT
Biden won what? The people who enjoy rudeness, ignorance would say that Joe "big f***ing deal" Biden is awesome. I have seen better debates in high school. I hope Joe is laughing on the day after the election.
mccannon | Oct 12, 2012, 12:10 PM EDT
Did you watch the same debate that I did? Biden appeared rude, condesending and frankly emabarrassing. Ryan was calm, polite and got his points across in a respectful way. Biden should be embarrassed at his display. He is an old man, but he acted like a child in the debates and did damage to his ticket.
hunter933 | Oct 12, 2012, 12:09 PM EDT
Biden had a wealth of facts presented in the debate, while Ryan resorted to the usual Republican Reaganisms of storytelling, lies and distortions. Ryan knew nothing about world politics, the budget, taxation, the debt or the deficit. I'm sure the conservative base loved his buffoonery, but I'll never understand why the dumber a candidate is, the more modern Republicans like him. Biden showed great restraint sitting next to Ryan who was making one appalling comment after another.
borefield | Oct 12, 2012, 11:56 AM EDT
It's amazing to me how rude, condescending , sneering and mocking behavior can be seen and considered amicable. Joe Biden actually let himself down last night. Of course he has the advantage of many more years of experience than his opponent and many more years of distorting the facts. Yes, he does this very well with a BIG mocking grin on his face.
JimmyJK | Oct 12, 2012, 11:47 AM EDT
Malarkey Baby! Biden kicked Ryan's ass.... It was so one sided.... Ryan has no substance. He looked like pee wee herman or that he was on a high school debate team. Ryan/Romney have nothing to say.... no good answers.
They want 4 things 1. lower taxes on the top earns 2. get rid of affordable care act so that taxes go down and less people are covered 3. increase military spending 4. reduce regulation on wall street and environment
FastEddy | Oct 12, 2012, 11:36 AM EDT
SF Chronicle says that Ryan won on the BS factor ... Biden spewing more mis-direction than fact based substance. ... Your opinion is interesting, but hardly news worthy. Me? I'm voting to throw the taxsuckers out ... End of story.
Los Leandros | Oct 12, 2012, 11:16 AM EDT
Watched the debate on tv in Ireland ( I really will have to get a life ). I had never seen Paul Ryan before, but was very impressed by him. Clear, calm and lucid. Mr. Biden came accross as a rude, condescending, arrogant individual. I dont think he did Barack Obama any favours.
Tom Mo | Oct 12, 2012, 11:09 AM EDT
Edmund Burke,Harley Guy,Eamonn Dublin,and crny 925, you guys said it all, as did many more. Looks like Niall gog his ears clocked. Slainte.
Searlit | Oct 12, 2012, 11:04 AM EDT
I agree with Niall, Biden won. He's a man that has stood the test of time in our government. He has been there through the hard times, has fought hard for the middle class, and has always been his honest self. I think he communicated that very well. He shot holes through Ryan's misunderstanding of the war in Afghanistan, and showcased Ryan's lack of experience without bullying him. It was interesting to see how these two Irish American Catholics, had a respect for their connection, in spite of their different ideologies. Joe Biden made me cheer several times, and I liked his comment when Paul Ryan tried to enlist the support of Democrats. "So now you're Jack Kennedy?"
edmundburke | Oct 12, 2012, 10:59 AM EDT
I am pleased to see so many of my Irish brethren here taking issue with O'Dowd's clueless praise of Biden's performsnce. Biden degraded the institution of presidential debates. And the media should be ashamed of itself for failing to take Biden to task for his obnoxious, bullying rudeness. (I thought bullying was the social affliction du jour?...oh well) By accepting his behavior, we are well on the path to these debates degenerating into fistfights on stage. The Biden-Ryan debate was an unseemly pub brawl, with Biden playing the drunken overbearing thug to Ryan's GAA champion, used to rough play on the pitch, holding his own but not descending to the worst level of the thug. If one wants to think of excellent standards for debating, one should look to the example of another Irish-American, the late William F. Buckley, who always conducted civilized debates, even with the likes of Jesse Jackson. Indeed, I would deem Jackson the superior, civilized debater over Biden any day.
PhlutiePhan | Oct 12, 2012, 10:51 AM EDT
With lots of respect for Martha Radditz. She did superbly. She has always been supportive of the troops in the field. She has plenty of experience from the battlefield and "wounded warriors". The poll from CBS is very suspect in light of another from CNN.
Rebelforce | Oct 12, 2012, 10:47 AM EDT
No question about it, Joe Biden won what was probably the most spirited and substantive debate in recent memory. Both Paul Ryan and Joe Biden are terrific representatives of the Irish-American community, but Ryan unfortunately lost the debate when he tried to justify INCREASING spending for the Military Industrial Complex while gutting Social Security and Medicare. If Romney-Ryan win the election we know what we will get....a return of the disastrous Bush-Cheney neocon era with more Wars and more foreign interventions.
Tom Mo | Oct 12, 2012, 10:45 AM EDT
Yes Niall Biden was himself alright. A grinning, condesending dolt. You admire him too much to be objective. I think the split screen foremat sucked as each time Ryan was speaking the viewer had to watch Biden laughing and shaking his head. Ryan won big time on facts.
Bill Doherty | Oct 12, 2012, 10:37 AM EDT
HG- amen brother
johnshiel | Oct 12, 2012, 10:36 AM EDT
my major takeaway from watching this debate was what an intimidating bully Joe Biden was toward the only female in the setting (who did a phenomenal job, don'cha think?)...
Harley Guy | Oct 12, 2012, 10:34 AM EDT
Irish Central....... You are tugging on my last nerve with this "Totally In The Tank for Obama/Biden" crap. I did not join this for political commentary (ultra Left Wing BTW) if I need that I will tune into P-MSNBC or Clinton News Network formerly CNN. Niall O'Dowd, you were drunk if you thought Biden won. Even NBC news gave it to Ryan last night 56% to 36%. Good lord, give it a rest please........
EamonnDublin | Oct 12, 2012, 10:31 AM EDT
I watched it live here in Dublin, 2.00 a.m. Irish time. I was astounded by Biden's rudeness, arrogance, bad mannered interruptions, inane laughter and sneering. I recorded it for my wife and she switched off after seeing Biden's imbecilic grinning and laughing for about 15 minutes - she couldn't stomach him any more. How on earth does Niall O'Dowd have the neck to treat his readers like idiots? Does he not understand how TV works? We can ALL see exactly what he saw - and Biden's behaviour was not a pretty sight. President Romney and VP Ryan in a canter - with the two donkeys way, way, way behind. God Bless America! Éamonn, Dublin, Ireland.
failteroibeard | Oct 12, 2012, 10:31 AM EDT
BIDEN = MULLARKEY
O'DOWD = DISAPPOINTMENT
DhemCrooks | Oct 12, 2012, 10:25 AM EDT
I am was a thirty two year registered Demoncrat, until 08'
It was then I knew my party had failed me....I could see what lay down the road. I believe this blow hard Biden is doing the supreme disservice to our country with his Odeath care Bud. He was riddled at he debate with inconsistent facts and was the rudest yet. You may think he is a charmer, but in this country we think he has NO substance, nor manners!
This American admin. is lying every day to it's people. Medicare will fall to it's knees with this blustering raid on Seniors medicare. The committee to decide the fate of Seniors care, are TODAY, giving bonuses to hospitals who least service Seniors....fact check it, it is all true. And what is with the Irish supporting the partial birth murders of viable, breathing babies.....Charm my ass....Odeathonator and Biden are allowing Americans to die on the battlefield, in our embassies and in Mother's womb.
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On Oct. 1, the Obama administration started awarding bonus points to hospitals that ... pain but also save lives. Seniors with ... may stop treating seniors once the Obama-Care ...
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Skibberrean | Oct 12, 2012, 10:24 AM EDT
DITTO.......CRNY 925.....you said it all!
marciaashley | Oct 12, 2012, 10:20 AM EDT
bieden did not win the debate. all i have to say is he never once said anything to help the people. to me he acts like all themoney has come out of his pocket. also some of the people who he considered takers were probably working people at one time. those democrats have put people out of business. in the last four years i dont know of any new businesses around here. those car companys should have filed bankruptcy. stop and think one world order. and who are they.
Bill Doherty | Oct 12, 2012, 10:19 AM EDT
Joe,did as usally made the sterotype stick of the Irish/American poll out of touch and one liner prone.
francisquinn | Oct 12, 2012, 10:17 AM EDT
Biden was an embarrassement....
crny925 | Oct 12, 2012, 10:13 AM EDT
Niall O'Dowd; you must be related to Biden! He won? Are you kidding me; he was rude, ignorant, arrogant and just a bumbling old man! Give the regards to your Uncle Joe!
hunter933 | Oct 12, 2012, 10:06 AM EDT
Why doesn't the good Catholic Ryan explain why its OK to murder babies in the womb conceived by rape or incest. What a lying phony?
cillowen | Oct 12, 2012, 09:57 AM EDT
women opt for ryan's physicality - issues be damned. could not abide with biden's rightful sarcasm. Biden held your attention kicking you-know-what of the girlie man's servant, his bishop.
Dublinborn | Oct 12, 2012, 09:50 AM EDT
The CNN numbers are more accurate Biden looked like an intoxicated demented Donkey last night. Laughing like a hyena and throwing his administrations intelligence staff under the bus.
You know that the officials holding the hearings on the debacle in Benghazi are going to have a field day with this.
Youngphil | Oct 12, 2012, 09:32 AM EDT
Biden is unhinged! Hey Niall, what debate were you watching last night?
faberm1 | Oct 12, 2012, 09:30 AM EDT
CNN said Biden lost by 4 percentage points. What poll did Irish Central use to say he won? Oh.....now I remember, it's only Niall O'Dowd's one person poll. Typical Irish Central leftist spin.
pickateer | Oct 12, 2012, 09:29 AM EDT
Biden won? No the man should himself for the Libertard he is! Rude beyond belief! Disrespectful to the Nth degree! And not ashamed to twist facts!
It was interesting to note that more than once Raddatz moved on when Ryan was about to bury Dopey Joe with facts. Too bad Ryan didn't just come right out with identifying Solyndra and how the Kaiser Foundation was on of Obamie's big bundler's and now is taking their money out before the Government along with double dipping with the tax write off. All at the tax payers expense!
O'Dowd should stop drinking the Kool-aid and go back to Jameson's with Guinness chasers. He might make more sense!
Prevailer | Oct 12, 2012, 09:26 AM EDT
To all the Biden haters: HE WON. And so did Romney WIN. Now go fish.
hermitTalker | Oct 12, 2012, 09:22 AM EDT
How utterly intellectually blind and deaf of you. Mr VP interrupted 82 times, was interrupted 32 by the excellently well-prepared and in charge moderator, a model for this format. Mr Ryan was on point, in control and eloquent in every point he made. Got the best line of the night when he commented on Mr Romney's 47 percent that we all say things that do not always turn out right. Mr Biden was a sneering arrogant man, totally unworthy of this 42-year old first time in national debate. Mr Ryan was classic Reagan, who developed the art of the story, by referring to their first-born Lisa as "bean" from the ultra-sound, and correctly made opposition to abortion a medical and scientific fact, backed by, but not resting on Church teaching. On the 16 trillion dollar iceberg that is already cutting into the sides of the Ship of State he had realistic facts, a plan and refused to bail out water - with a borrowed bucket from China. Even on foreign policy- Biden said they had wrong data from intel. on the Embassy bombing, same as happened on WMD in Iraq, and earlier in Iran under the Shah, and will rely on the same lack of incompetent "intelligence" to say when Iran will have nukes, and "a plane to launch it" while his BB buddy from Israel says it is coming soon. Is the aircraft flying in from Putin or China???
Fran Connor | Oct 12, 2012, 09:19 AM EDT
Here's a big surprise! IC declares the "D" the winner. If I had been Joe Biden I would never had run for office, knowing that I would have to show my tax return. What was it - .0013% of his income donated to charity? He seems like a nice guy, but that is a disgrace.
jamieLM | Oct 12, 2012, 09:18 AM EDT
I found Biden's demeanor obnoxious, juvenile, and distracting - laughing loudly and too often, smirking, CONSTANTLY interrupting, wild hand gestures, repeating "mullarkey". What an over-the-top performance. Just the issues, please. If I want to see theatrics, I'll book a ticket at the theatre. What a disrespectful, rude, arrogant jerk.
MotherIrish | Oct 12, 2012, 09:06 AM EDT
So who do I want to be one heart beat away from the highest office in our land? Certainly not Biden, who demeans Ryan by talking down to him, not one who calls a world leader - a PM, by his first name, (like calling QEII - Lizzie) and not giving due respect, one who yells- we had to turn the TV down on him- one who laughs because he does not know what is funny and what is serious and he had many a fact wrong to boot. Ryan held his own. He gave the demeanor I would like to see in a VP who is one heart beat away, he was respectful but stood his ground. Naill- once again, you are wrong - your head line should have been Ryan Outshines Biden.
Maggie47 | Oct 12, 2012, 08:45 AM EDT
Biden was rude and disrespectful last night.Electing a president and vice president is a serious matter. Now I know who is getting my vote.
jflanagan | Oct 12, 2012, 08:09 AM EDT
Next time you run into the Vice President ask him why a man with "basic decency" is so ready to take other peoples money for his favored contributors but gives nearly nothing of his own millions to charity. He is a phony, claims to be "blue collar" even though he has never had a blue collar job in his adult life and had very little substance so he had to resort to laughing, smirking and telling falsehoods, such as the churches not having to provide birth control against their beliefs.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.seanomelb | Oct 17, 2012, 01:23 AM EDT
I've been out to lunch with some friend. What's that you were saying gutter crawler,just crawl back into your trailer and switch on the Hannity show,that's about your level of understanding on all subjects.
paddyRanger | Oct 16, 2012, 11:00 AM EDT
why would any dream of the life of a moron....so seanCANTvote in USA how does it feel to know your opinion is worth squat, because you don't pay tax in the US don't live in US, stick your 12th largest economy up you know where and enjoy you etch a sketch pathetic life. for someone living such a good life....no life spending all day on here haha what a loser
seanomelb | Oct 16, 2012, 03:03 AM EDT
I live a life you can only dream of gutter trawler. I'm probably richer then Joe!! Life is good in the world's 12th. largest economy. Joe is the man and Ryan is the sketch in the etch and sketch show.
paddyRanger | Oct 15, 2012, 09:06 PM EDT
wrong again seanFailedbusinessman retard from down under......must irk you that you don't even have a vote, your opinion is as useless as you are. Biden was calm, haha the moron was off his meds..and acting like a lunatic,. I can see you not able to see that must mean that is how you act too .....
paddyRanger | Oct 15, 2012, 09:02 PM EDT
shuvonn.....get your facts straight, 264 million was the cut in the budget for Embassy security, MAINTENANCE and BUILDING, to get a platoon of marines from Italy to Libya would not have cost a fortune, to try and blame this on a budget cut is PATHETIC, it would not have cost a fortune to have side arms for those three ex serviceman and a platoon of marines....but you clearly have no idea, so nobody is LYING here except Biden and Obama ...ryan has not denied his budget it has he ??? moron
shuvonn | Oct 15, 2012, 02:59 PM EDT
Paddy ranger you are LYING the fact remains *Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said today that he voted to cut funding for U.S. embassy security amid political attacks from Republicans that the Obama administration did not do enough to secure the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya that was attacked last month. Republicans and their allies have been trying to politicize the attack — which killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya — suggesting, without evidence, the Obama administration may have ignored intelligence that the attack was imminent, didn’t properly secure the Benghazi compound and is now trying to cover it up. But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds this morning on CNN, Chaffetz said, “Absolutely“:* ryan LIED, you LIED.....give it up
seanomelb | Oct 14, 2012, 07:28 PM EDT
Joe looked so relaxed and smiling at his opponents lying comments.
AvaJacquelyn | Oct 14, 2012, 06:00 PM EDT
I agree with you, moolysdee, a hundred %. Biden's Irish heritage shouldn't be a factor in judging the result of the debate. Losers usually laugh, smirk, joke, make faces, etc, which Biden did. Obama-"Burden" ticket must lose this coming election. We want real changes in this country, not just promises of changes.
mollysdee | Oct 14, 2012, 02:49 PM EDT
You must have met another Joe Biden - Joe Biden our VP is not particulary liked by anyone I know. As for the debate, he made an ass of himself - rude, condescending, inappropriate laughter, and not in command of the facts, while Paul Ryan maintained his composure, presenting his views and backing them up with facts. This country has had enough of Obama/Biden. Romney/Ryan have the values this country was based on and desparately needs to get back to ... One Nation Under God ... that's who we want to be again.
eiriamach | Oct 14, 2012, 02:43 PM EDT
For the first few days after the VP debate, I misunderstood the complaints, like some below, about Biden's "rudeness" and "arrogance." I thought such comments were written by a bunch of demure, over-refined Emily Post-ers who think a political debate is a Mr./Miss Congeniality contest, a "performance" in gentility and politesse. But now I think that's not what's going on in such comments. Every time I saw Joe Biden smile at one of Ryan's lies, I thought he was being too excessively self-restrained. He should have howled at Ryan's (and Romney's) howlers! Anyone sensitive to mis-statements of fact, I thought, would be direct and straightforward -- some call that "rude" -- about correcting them. But if folks don't know the facts, they cannot spot the howlers that ignore or misrepresent the facts. So now I think I understand these comments that Biden was "rude." That's how the truth sounds when it hears a lie and calls it a lie.
JimmyJK | Oct 13, 2012, 10:47 PM EDT
Malarkey! you gotta love it... He exposed lyin Ryan for what he is.... a pee wee herman look alike who feeds Americans lies and has not clue about foreign policy.... one who would like increase unwanted pregnancies but not provide the parent or child with food, education or shelter. He would like to destroy the American government by eliminating all agencies except some protection... if you don't believe me then read Ayn Rand..... He wants to unburden the already over burdened ultra wealthy.... it's so tough being ultra wealthy and competing with your neighbor that they really need tax breaks..... Our government is not perfect and needs reform but romney/ryan do not care about Americans only ultra wealthy Americans..... I was captivated by Biden during the debate he spoke the truth and put a cork in the lies and exposed the truth.... even the moderator kept asking ryan to elaborate and he could not do so....
boydshield | Oct 13, 2012, 10:21 PM EDT
You were in the pub, drinking &by half listening to the debate if you truly feel Biden won. He was rude, laughed about the war, Did anything Biden said or did REALLY make you & yours stay on this Mad hatter's ride another 4 years? And you talk about a cut in government services? Why not quit paving the road with gold for those who WILL NOT work? Not can't, WON'T.
seanomelb | Oct 13, 2012, 08:10 PM EDT
paddyranger the gutter trawler is back with his teabagger views
pilib04 | Oct 13, 2012, 07:59 PM EDT
NMcNallyM911. Watch your mouth. The good Sister Catherine says Biden won, that's more than enough for me.
NMcNallyM911 | Oct 13, 2012, 04:06 PM EDT
You couldn't have watched the debate if you think Biden won. He was rude and condescending. Didn't know facts...but he did do better than his boss!
Pittsburghkid | Oct 13, 2012, 03:34 PM EDT
Biden was on medication. Ryan was talking about the War, and Biden was laughing. Is War a funny matter. Everyone knows Social Securtiy is going bankrupt. Ryan is presenting plans, and Biden is laughing. Is this the reaction of a rational man.
paddyRanger | Oct 13, 2012, 02:43 PM EDT
eiriamach.....absolute nonsense, Before Ryan could even speak in the opening 5 minutes Biden came out with three whoppers.Biden claimed that Ryan “cut embassy security in his budget by $300 million below what we asked for.” Biden is exaggerating. In fact, the budget for embassy security, construction and maintenance came out $264 million lower than requested. And, as the name says, this is not only for security. First lie,. Another incorrect statement by Biden on Libya came when he said, “We weren’t told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security” shocking utter lie, not only did they ask for more security they did it a half dozen times, perhaps Biden should check what is being testified in front of congress right now.Ryan called out President Obama for not calling the assault on U.S. ambassador Stevens a terrorist-attack: “ It took the president two weeks to acknowledge that this was a terrorist attack.” he only referred to it as a reaction to the video — even in his speech at the United Nations. And Biden lied over that too saying the Intelligence Community told them this, which is a huge lie the Intel said the NEXT day it was a terror attack
shop tom | Oct 13, 2012, 11:16 AM EDT
Winning by not losing is a silly assumption. Biden lost by being boorish, immature, and unfactual. But then, nobody expected anything different.
eiriamach | Oct 13, 2012, 11:14 AM EDT
PaddyRanger, Joe Biden straightforwardly tagged the lies told by Paul Ryan. Among them, just on taxes (there was much more on health care and other issues): Romney's 20% cut in taxes across the board is not workable without huge cuts in govt services, as explained by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center's August study. Ryan's claim that "six studies" have shown it is workable refers to bloggers, campaign staff writers, and Bush administration "economists' words, not to the work of any independent research economists. Biden also countered Ryan's lie that Obama's tax reform would “tax about 53 percent of small-business income” with the truth that Ryan counts multimillion-dollar hedge funds and thousands of other high-income enterprises as “small businesses"-- a particularly deceptive lie for the mom-and-pop shop owners. Ryan uses biased sources for his "data," and Biden responded with facts, accurately stated, for the most part.
paddyRanger | Oct 13, 2012, 10:41 AM EDT
eiriamach"Surgical precision," precisely! Biden was flush with facts….Nonsense, Biden was the biggest liar there, he was called out on the biggest lies all night, his did not know they requested security in Benghazi, did not know it was a terrorist attack, only what the Intell told him, unfortunately for him the Intel said the NEXT day it was a terror attack….BIDEN also lied about the Catholic organistation’s he is called out time and time again as a liar and you think he was flush with facts,….only flush here should be someone needs to flush the turd Biden and you down a toilet
pilib04 | Oct 13, 2012, 10:14 AM EDT
Got to watch the Biden Ryan debate at Dempsey's Restaurant in Columbus with the NUNS ON THE BUS. Great to see such a crowd come out in support of Catholic Social Justice and Healthcare for all. Place was packed. The crowd definitely felt that Biden not only held his own, but clearly delineated the necessity for healthcare and the problem with Romney's 47% issue. Go raibh maith agat to the Nuns On The Bus!
Nicoletta | Oct 13, 2012, 08:31 AM EDT
He came across as patronizing and overbearing. His position on abortion is akin to: "I would never commit murder myself but don't think I have the right to stop others from committing murder." With his views. he cannot honestly claim to be a Catholic.
BippyBellito | Oct 13, 2012, 07:40 AM EDT
Joe Biden is a sad, protypical Crazy Mick Uncle who started drinking too early in the day to make any sense later on. He came across mor like R.P. McMurtry (see Jack Nicholsen's role) than James Joyce. Joe Biden is the quintessential Irish American Idiot, himself full of malarkey but smelling it on others.
anglo-norman | Oct 13, 2012, 01:15 AM EDT
Gotta say Niall you are very objective NOT. Biden was a disgrace & looked like a clown.
anglo-norman | Oct 13, 2012, 12:23 AM EDT
Thank you EK for showing how the obama paid soldiers cannot be objective.
EphraimKibbey | Oct 13, 2012, 12:18 AM EDT
Joe Biden, you are a NATIONAL TREASURE!!! Finally someone fact checking these bozos in real time. This is what a REAL debate looks like. America has been spoiled with lights and buzzers for too long. A DEBATE is not two guys alternately each giving prepared speechs about a handful of talking points. When you debate, you ARGUE your points back and forth just like Joe did and Ryan tried to do. Unfortunately for Ryan, Romney's positions are all lies and Joe countered them expertly. Ryan's lack of knowledge on Foreign Policy showed that he is definitely NOT ready to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency of the United States of America and Biden's in depth knowledge showed exactly why he IS. Why is it that the GOP are such cry babies when they lose and LOSE Ryan surely did.
irishpjk | Oct 12, 2012, 11:28 PM EDT
If you ask what I think why is it that when I agree with what you write my comments stay, and if I disagree they disappear very quickly? Just wondering and am I the only one this happens to I doubt it.
irishpjk | Oct 12, 2012, 11:11 PM EDT
wtf. Why I believe Joe Biden was a looser last night, as a citizen of this country I was embarrassed by the condescending attitude of my vice president which he chose to display by laughing while Paul Ryan was speaking. By his ignorant and arrogant interruptions of Mr. Ryan, I also believe he stretched the truth by quite a bit; I am too polite to say he may have lied about a few things. He also insulted my Irish heritage which will cost him a vote in November.
patrickesq | Oct 12, 2012, 07:44 PM EDT
I trust Biden/Obama on all the important issues of national security without additional warfare, a tax code based on one's ability to pay, reasonable access to quality health care and health and income security for senior citizens. The vague promises of Romney/Ryan on these issues cannot be trusted.
joan1954 | Oct 12, 2012, 07:42 PM EDT
Granted Biden was arrogant and unfortunately this is not my parents Democratic Party. Gone are the days that the Dems understood the working class, they have alienated themselves from the likes of the independets.
Maxwells | Oct 12, 2012, 06:43 PM EDT
Biden's performance may have soothed the liberal base, but it cost him the independent and undecided votes, he was far more arrogant and unappealing then ever, only diehard loyalists would believe thats a good thing in a candidate.
eiriamach | Oct 12, 2012, 06:07 PM EDT
"Surgical precision," precisely! Biden was flush with facts and justified the administration's policies well. He discredited Ryan on the 20% tax cut, foreign policy (war against Iran, Paul? An exploding Middle East?), Medicare and social security, abortion, and separation of church and state. Some people here seem to think that a debate is a performance contest in Emily Post etiquette. Nope. And Joe was a little toooo kind to the neophyte Ryan, letting him get away with bluster about tax cuts and no specifics about paying for them.
eiriamach | Oct 12, 2012, 06:01 PM EDT
Now that's not a subjective observation, is it? many others feel that Ryan won.
EdShevlin | Oct 12, 2012, 05:55 PM EDT
As someone on TV said this morning, the clear winner was Joe Biden's dentist! Smilin' Joe was sent out to try to bluster and blow away his opponent, but overplayed his role like a ham actor in an off Broadway show. Crude, rude and not worthy of the VP of the USA. Biden was apparently too busy being prepped for the debate that he wasn't aware that his statements about the Bengazzi attack were directly contradictory to sworn testimony in the Congress. I will not use the Obama administration's tactic of calling your opponent a liar because he apparently still didn't know the facts and like Obama, he has misrepresented the positions of his opponents on the issues so often that he begins to believe his own rubbish, rabble-babble, double talk and nonsense. Joe Biden is personally a truly likeable guy who can hold his own being himself; however he was sent out to play a role and badly over acted it. He came off a a blatherskite! Paul Ryan maintained a professionall demeanor and stuck to the facts. Unfortunately with the interruptions and histrionics by Biden, he wasn't given a proper forum .. even cut off twice by the moderator who gave Biden much too much leeway in his decorum. Bottom line: The real loser in all this is Niall O'Dowd for his audacious lack of objectivity.
paddyo | Oct 12, 2012, 05:53 PM EDT
If this were a race result, it would show Biden finishing first, but being disqualified. His behavior was incredibly rude, laughing and making faces to distract the viewer, cutting in on Ryan 31 times. The moderator let him and when Ryan wanted to reply, she would say let's move on. I have never seen more unprofessional behaviour by a vice president.
paddyRanger | Oct 12, 2012, 05:51 PM EDT
Biden......is the perfect argument for term limits the man is a waste of rations, a sorry excuse for a human being, the biggest liar in Washington, he smirked when talking about deaths of Anericans in Benghazi, can one of you lefty morons explain what is so funny with death's of an American Ambassador, 2 Ex Navy seals and an Ex Air Force guy
paddyRanger | Oct 12, 2012, 05:49 PM EDT
hahahaha surgical precision, another blinder from the moron downunder....by your own words you live in Australia, you don't live in USA, you don't pay tax here, why doesnt an ignorant moron who has no say in what happens in USA feck off
seanomelb | Oct 12, 2012, 05:40 PM EDT
Biden proved he was a seasoned,well informed VP and cut through the GOP Bull with surgical precision.
joeboy1 | Oct 12, 2012, 05:19 PM EDT
Joe Biden should have retired along time ago he another carreer politician who been in Washington way to long ,please Joe find the nearest golf course and get the hell out of politics !
Chiefjustice | Oct 12, 2012, 04:50 PM EDT
I watched the debate, very closley. And Have read the Comments. Thay are all deepley devided along party lines. So in My humble openion ,,It was Cousin Paul that won....
aloistmartin | Oct 12, 2012, 04:31 PM EDT
Biden Failed, to terrier Paul Ryan from his Great White burrow. With the longest Liberal Administration since F.D.R. ( Kennedy/Johnson ) on the line, you would think Biden would have gone after Ryan/Romney like a Wolverine after a Dog Bone ! The Cold Hard, Fact of the Matter is, Biden`s Clinton/Obama patronizing of the Bourgeois " Middle Class " ( The Middle Class is the Backbone of America ?/ Now That`s What I Call Malarkey ! ) only illustrates the utter futility of Bi-Partisan American Politics. Abolish the Egalitarian Capitalist Caste System ! Support Jerry White of the Socialist Equality Party for President of the Untied States of America !
allentown | Oct 12, 2012, 04:17 PM EDT
CNN Poll Ryan wins. Not only did Ryan win, but he won being more likeable to young women voters. Why not---------when you have an old VP with hair plugs, a made over face and bleached teeth being totally disrespectful of the young Congressman who maintained his poise during Biden's incessant interruptions, smirking and blurting out words trying to stem the clear, concise comments of Paul Ryan.
McNamara31 | Oct 12, 2012, 04:04 PM EDT
As Biden said last night "use your common sense" America. Do you want to vote for someone who is totally beholding to corporate greed as Ryan/Romney is time and time again. Whether its trying to privatize social security, as Ryan would love to do, or destroying medicare as the foundation of medical security for the elderly, as he'd also like to do...or put your faith in a team who knows the importance of these basic American principles? Americans have to wake up and see the American dream is being slowly eroded; taking away all that once meant "being American". The powers of corporate greed are after your job (by outsourcing) raiding your pension (like Bain Capital did) after your healthcare, medicare and social security because the transfer of those funds would mean trillions to Wall St.And, they are working around the country to bust all unions so the working middle class will have no organized voice to represent them. Remember, if you enjoy yourself this weekend, thank the unions because before them, having the weekend off was non existent, and if Ryan/Romney get in we'll be steps away from those days again.
Mairin67 | Oct 12, 2012, 03:09 PM EDT
I wish I knew where you Repubs come up with your weird notions. Someone mentioned that it was "rude" of Biden to take notes during the debate. Well if you would get your head out of your narrow minded Repub Toosh, you'd see ALL the candidates take notes during a debate...Ryan did, Romney did as did Obama. What were you watching?
TexasMJM | Oct 12, 2012, 02:51 PM EDT
"When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, the foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest" - Proverbs 29:9; or something like that.
whiteycat | Oct 12, 2012, 02:22 PM EDT
Biden with all the smirks and laughter was not VP material, nor did he win any points with people who are undecided.
Helen Ferone | Oct 12, 2012, 02:19 PM EDT
I thought Joe Biden would win hands down being a seasoned politician, but the up-start young Irishman held his own againt him, and even caught good ol' Joe in several lies. Also, very rude for Joe to take notes during the debate, and his continuous smile was to rattle Paul, but it didn't work. No wonder the seals have a special name for Joe. Read the book and find out.
KweenOHearts | Oct 12, 2012, 02:16 PM EDT
Let's see... out of 43 comments on this one-sided piece of slobbering lib "mullarkey," only 7 so far see any merit on the participation of that blithering neigh-haying jackass who masquarades as a VP for the most inept and corrupt administration in American history. -- It is quite interesting to note as well, that those few who think Bidet --given the condescending, idiotic and outright lying remarks he was clearly programmed to spout off by his panicked coaches-- is deserving of credit by anyone claiming to belong to the human race. Therefore, it is quite possible those few who admire the grinning imbecile must have been watching either in a padded cell at the local State hospital, or in the planet Pluto (whose earthling name btw, is Goofy). -- The sane among us saw the attack-dog in full display of his limited capacity as 'debater,' and apparently so did the majority of viewers. Including two of the TV channels whose sympathies NEVER stray too far away from the 'dark side': CNN and NBC. They gave the win to Ryan at 48-44 and 52 to 36 respectively; so that tell us quite a bit, doesn't it?
BigDaddy | Oct 12, 2012, 02:05 PM EDT
It would serve conservatives well to have to live under Romney/Ryan. However, that would condemn intelligent people to that same fate. Smiling is not laughing maniacally. If you are too stupid to see that Romney is a dolt and Ryan is a water carrier for the Kochs then please don't have children. But judging by what I've seen, you people make rabbits look inhibited.
Frosty38 | Oct 12, 2012, 01:40 PM EDT
This was in a Boston Newspaper and you will NOT see it on FOXNEWS I did email it to them Mitt Romney stops mentioning how he met ex-Navy SEAL killed in Libya after mother's complaint that he was using son's death for 'political agenda' Mother of ex-Navy SEAL says Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is exploiting her son's death on the campaign trail Romney revealed this week that he had met the former soldier who was killed last month in the Libyan terror attacks Romney campaign says the nominee will no longer make reference to Glen Doherty
ceceann | Oct 12, 2012, 01:35 PM EDT
OMG--O'Dowd you have lost all credibility. Biden was not only disrespectful to his opponent and the moderator but, by laughing when the discussion was on serious issues, he was disrespectful to the entire nation. He acted deranged and gives further worry to the fact that he is a heartbeat away from being President. His performance did, however, make me happy that nothing has happened to Obama. Obama is the lesser of those two evils. @Eschetic--Your discription of O'Dowd as a writer with a consistently conservative bias discounts anything that comes after.
travelmpq | Oct 12, 2012, 01:34 PM EDT
So apparently you can "win" a debate by interrupting, laughing maniacly and being an all around boor.
joreilly | Oct 12, 2012, 01:21 PM EDT
HELLOOOOO you blind republicans.Check out the fact checkers ! As usual the republicans lie thru their teeth SHAMELESSLY witout any fear of being caught out 'cause they know that America has a short memory.They'll say anything it takes to get elected and put us back into the doldrums of yesterdays.
MegK311 | Oct 12, 2012, 01:16 PM EDT
Niall, How could you write a bunch of Malarkey and expect us to agree with you. Here is a scripture from the NIV version of the bible. Proverbs 29: 9 - If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs and there is no quiet. Biden acted like a ill behaved child laughing and carrying on. Ryan was the adult trying to be respectful to his elder which we were taught to do. For Biden to laugh, giggle and grin through the whole debate was distracting and made it difficult to follow the debate. I don't think anyone won and the moderator did a terrible job and she was obviously supporting Biden.
mreinhar2001 | Oct 12, 2012, 01:08 PM EDT
Joe Biden only "won" the debate if one has poor communication skills (that is based on North American standards). He simply demonstrated a model of rudeness in communication. Americans: vote for whoever you will for US president, but Joe Biden must have his Annie Glenn award (from the American Speech and Hearing Association for overcoming a communication disorder) revoked ASAP. He is no longer a role model for others who have a communication. disorder
paddyRanger | Oct 12, 2012, 01:02 PM EDT
Hunter 993 "Biden showed great restraint sitting next " WHAT....what planet are you from Biden showed restraint, do you know what restraint means, Biden was acting like a moron, a 5 year old shows more restraint and common decency and respect to someone they debate, he shouted made faces like a loon.
Eschetic | Oct 12, 2012, 12:53 PM EDT
The reaction of some readers is laugh worthy when you consider that a writer with as consistent a conservative bias as O'Dowd acknowledges that the round went to Biden, an objective viewer has to rate it as a rout. I was not at all surprised that the Vice President came across as the experienced adult PREPARED to BE the President if called upon - I may still be a Republican but I was never so proud of my fellow Delawarean - or that the gym-fit Ryan spouted his candidate's distorted numbers (caught by most of the independent fact checkers afterwards) and tried to flaunt his Sophomores' economic knowledge. What DID surprise me was how simply weasily our party's VP contender came across. We *know* he's smarter than Sarah Palin or Dan Quayle - but he didn't look THAT much smarter or more trustworthy last night. We're back where we were before the first debate - and that means "advantage" (well earned) "to the incumbant."
Eschetic | Oct 12, 2012, 12:41 PM EDT
I think it was absolutely appropriate for Joe Biden to laugh and insult Paul Ryan because he was repeatedly not telling the truth, and that is frustrating to deal with. All politicians lie, but Ryan and Romney have done a record-breaking amount of it and Americans who want to buy into a fairy-tale keep drinking it. There are many, many journalists who have been documenting the amount of complete lies they've been spewing. Romney/Ryan are selling snake oil folks. THERE IS NO QUICK FIX FOR AMERICA. THERE IS JUST HARD WORK, FISCAL AUSTERITY, INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACY AND PATIENCE AHEAD OF US IF WE ARE NOT TO FALL AS A NATION. Romney/Ryan are trying to sell some quick fix that won't work (tax cuts for the rich and de-regulations of banks and Wall Street which got us into this mess). Joe Biden and Barack Obama have every right to tell those tell those lying cheats to piss off. And then when they do I'm going to rip Obama/Biden and congress a new one for not doing a better job.
tom77381 | Oct 12, 2012, 12:40 PM EDT
BIDEN'S IMPERSONATION OF JACK NICHOLSON LAST NIGHT PROVES THE OLD PROVERB "EMPTY BARRELS DO MAKE THE MOST NOISE"
paddyRanger | Oct 12, 2012, 12:38 PM EDT
Absolute garbage O'Dowd you should be ashamed of your self for writing such a journalistic piece of garbage "Biden is one of the most liked men in politics, and that is what came across in the debate.".......THAT is not what came across from this debate at all, he came across as a utter gobshite, he did not come with one concrete example of HOW the obama/biden regime would help the middle class, he just claimed we are on the right path...WE are not on the right path at all. He also lied through his teeth and throw the Intelligence community under the bus...he claims the Intell did not say they needed more security for Bengahzi or that it was a terrorist attack, THEY said it was one the day after....BIDEN is a liar and a worthless sorry excuse for a human being
kilgarvan | Oct 12, 2012, 12:28 PM EDT
Really Niall, how do you call yourself a journalist? Biden is well liked? Fumble again. Just give up being a newspaper and call yourself what you are, a red rag waving liberal biased blogger. Not good for circulation I'll wager, btw how's that going? lol!
powsmias | Oct 12, 2012, 12:28 PM EDT
rebelforce is a liberal moron.
weeknocky | Oct 12, 2012, 12:18 PM EDT
Biden won what? The people who enjoy rudeness, ignorance would say that Joe "big f***ing deal" Biden is awesome. I have seen better debates in high school. I hope Joe is laughing on the day after the election.
mccannon | Oct 12, 2012, 12:10 PM EDT
Did you watch the same debate that I did? Biden appeared rude, condesending and frankly emabarrassing. Ryan was calm, polite and got his points across in a respectful way. Biden should be embarrassed at his display. He is an old man, but he acted like a child in the debates and did damage to his ticket.
hunter933 | Oct 12, 2012, 12:09 PM EDT
Biden had a wealth of facts presented in the debate, while Ryan resorted to the usual Republican Reaganisms of storytelling, lies and distortions. Ryan knew nothing about world politics, the budget, taxation, the debt or the deficit. I'm sure the conservative base loved his buffoonery, but I'll never understand why the dumber a candidate is, the more modern Republicans like him. Biden showed great restraint sitting next to Ryan who was making one appalling comment after another.
borefield | Oct 12, 2012, 11:56 AM EDT
It's amazing to me how rude, condescending , sneering and mocking behavior can be seen and considered amicable. Joe Biden actually let himself down last night. Of course he has the advantage of many more years of experience than his opponent and many more years of distorting the facts. Yes, he does this very well with a BIG mocking grin on his face.
JimmyJK | Oct 12, 2012, 11:47 AM EDT
Malarkey Baby! Biden kicked Ryan's ass.... It was so one sided.... Ryan has no substance. He looked like pee wee herman or that he was on a high school debate team. Ryan/Romney have nothing to say.... no good answers. They want 4 things 1. lower taxes on the top earns 2. get rid of affordable care act so that taxes go down and less people are covered 3. increase military spending 4. reduce regulation on wall street and environment
FastEddy | Oct 12, 2012, 11:36 AM EDT
SF Chronicle says that Ryan won on the BS factor ... Biden spewing more mis-direction than fact based substance. ... Your opinion is interesting, but hardly news worthy. Me? I'm voting to throw the taxsuckers out ... End of story.
Los Leandros | Oct 12, 2012, 11:16 AM EDT
Watched the debate on tv in Ireland ( I really will have to get a life ). I had never seen Paul Ryan before, but was very impressed by him. Clear, calm and lucid. Mr. Biden came accross as a rude, condescending, arrogant individual. I dont think he did Barack Obama any favours.
Tom Mo | Oct 12, 2012, 11:09 AM EDT
Edmund Burke,Harley Guy,Eamonn Dublin,and crny 925, you guys said it all, as did many more. Looks like Niall gog his ears clocked. Slainte.
Searlit | Oct 12, 2012, 11:04 AM EDT
I agree with Niall, Biden won. He's a man that has stood the test of time in our government. He has been there through the hard times, has fought hard for the middle class, and has always been his honest self. I think he communicated that very well. He shot holes through Ryan's misunderstanding of the war in Afghanistan, and showcased Ryan's lack of experience without bullying him. It was interesting to see how these two Irish American Catholics, had a respect for their connection, in spite of their different ideologies. Joe Biden made me cheer several times, and I liked his comment when Paul Ryan tried to enlist the support of Democrats. "So now you're Jack Kennedy?"
edmundburke | Oct 12, 2012, 10:59 AM EDT
I am pleased to see so many of my Irish brethren here taking issue with O'Dowd's clueless praise of Biden's performsnce. Biden degraded the institution of presidential debates. And the media should be ashamed of itself for failing to take Biden to task for his obnoxious, bullying rudeness. (I thought bullying was the social affliction du jour?...oh well) By accepting his behavior, we are well on the path to these debates degenerating into fistfights on stage. The Biden-Ryan debate was an unseemly pub brawl, with Biden playing the drunken overbearing thug to Ryan's GAA champion, used to rough play on the pitch, holding his own but not descending to the worst level of the thug. If one wants to think of excellent standards for debating, one should look to the example of another Irish-American, the late William F. Buckley, who always conducted civilized debates, even with the likes of Jesse Jackson. Indeed, I would deem Jackson the superior, civilized debater over Biden any day.
PhlutiePhan | Oct 12, 2012, 10:51 AM EDT
With lots of respect for Martha Radditz. She did superbly. She has always been supportive of the troops in the field. She has plenty of experience from the battlefield and "wounded warriors". The poll from CBS is very suspect in light of another from CNN.
Rebelforce | Oct 12, 2012, 10:47 AM EDT
No question about it, Joe Biden won what was probably the most spirited and substantive debate in recent memory. Both Paul Ryan and Joe Biden are terrific representatives of the Irish-American community, but Ryan unfortunately lost the debate when he tried to justify INCREASING spending for the Military Industrial Complex while gutting Social Security and Medicare. If Romney-Ryan win the election we know what we will get....a return of the disastrous Bush-Cheney neocon era with more Wars and more foreign interventions.
Tom Mo | Oct 12, 2012, 10:45 AM EDT
Yes Niall Biden was himself alright. A grinning, condesending dolt. You admire him too much to be objective. I think the split screen foremat sucked as each time Ryan was speaking the viewer had to watch Biden laughing and shaking his head. Ryan won big time on facts.
Bill Doherty | Oct 12, 2012, 10:37 AM EDT
HG- amen brother
johnshiel | Oct 12, 2012, 10:36 AM EDT
my major takeaway from watching this debate was what an intimidating bully Joe Biden was toward the only female in the setting (who did a phenomenal job, don'cha think?)...
Harley Guy | Oct 12, 2012, 10:34 AM EDT
Irish Central....... You are tugging on my last nerve with this "Totally In The Tank for Obama/Biden" crap. I did not join this for political commentary (ultra Left Wing BTW) if I need that I will tune into P-MSNBC or Clinton News Network formerly CNN. Niall O'Dowd, you were drunk if you thought Biden won. Even NBC news gave it to Ryan last night 56% to 36%. Good lord, give it a rest please........
EamonnDublin | Oct 12, 2012, 10:31 AM EDT
I watched it live here in Dublin, 2.00 a.m. Irish time. I was astounded by Biden's rudeness, arrogance, bad mannered interruptions, inane laughter and sneering. I recorded it for my wife and she switched off after seeing Biden's imbecilic grinning and laughing for about 15 minutes - she couldn't stomach him any more. How on earth does Niall O'Dowd have the neck to treat his readers like idiots? Does he not understand how TV works? We can ALL see exactly what he saw - and Biden's behaviour was not a pretty sight. President Romney and VP Ryan in a canter - with the two donkeys way, way, way behind. God Bless America! Éamonn, Dublin, Ireland.
failteroibeard | Oct 12, 2012, 10:31 AM EDT
BIDEN = MULLARKEY O'DOWD = DISAPPOINTMENT
DhemCrooks | Oct 12, 2012, 10:25 AM EDT
I am was a thirty two year registered Demoncrat, until 08' It was then I knew my party had failed me....I could see what lay down the road. I believe this blow hard Biden is doing the supreme disservice to our country with his Odeath care Bud. He was riddled at he debate with inconsistent facts and was the rudest yet. You may think he is a charmer, but in this country we think he has NO substance, nor manners! This American admin. is lying every day to it's people. Medicare will fall to it's knees with this blustering raid on Seniors medicare. The committee to decide the fate of Seniors care, are TODAY, giving bonuses to hospitals who least service Seniors....fact check it, it is all true. And what is with the Irish supporting the partial birth murders of viable, breathing babies.....Charm my ass....Odeathonator and Biden are allowing Americans to die on the battlefield, in our embassies and in Mother's womb. Obama Administration Dooms Seniors To Ravages Of Aging With ... On Oct. 1, the Obama administration started awarding bonus points to hospitals that ... pain but also save lives. Seniors with ... may stop treating seniors once the Obama-Care ... news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/101012..
Skibberrean | Oct 12, 2012, 10:24 AM EDT
DITTO.......CRNY 925.....you said it all!
marciaashley | Oct 12, 2012, 10:20 AM EDT
bieden did not win the debate. all i have to say is he never once said anything to help the people. to me he acts like all themoney has come out of his pocket. also some of the people who he considered takers were probably working people at one time. those democrats have put people out of business. in the last four years i dont know of any new businesses around here. those car companys should have filed bankruptcy. stop and think one world order. and who are they.
Bill Doherty | Oct 12, 2012, 10:19 AM EDT
Joe,did as usally made the sterotype stick of the Irish/American poll out of touch and one liner prone.
francisquinn | Oct 12, 2012, 10:17 AM EDT
Biden was an embarrassement....
crny925 | Oct 12, 2012, 10:13 AM EDT
Niall O'Dowd; you must be related to Biden! He won? Are you kidding me; he was rude, ignorant, arrogant and just a bumbling old man! Give the regards to your Uncle Joe!
hunter933 | Oct 12, 2012, 10:06 AM EDT
Why doesn't the good Catholic Ryan explain why its OK to murder babies in the womb conceived by rape or incest. What a lying phony?
cillowen | Oct 12, 2012, 09:57 AM EDT
women opt for ryan's physicality - issues be damned. could not abide with biden's rightful sarcasm. Biden held your attention kicking you-know-what of the girlie man's servant, his bishop.
Dublinborn | Oct 12, 2012, 09:50 AM EDT
The CNN numbers are more accurate Biden looked like an intoxicated demented Donkey last night. Laughing like a hyena and throwing his administrations intelligence staff under the bus. You know that the officials holding the hearings on the debacle in Benghazi are going to have a field day with this.
Youngphil | Oct 12, 2012, 09:32 AM EDT
Biden is unhinged! Hey Niall, what debate were you watching last night?
faberm1 | Oct 12, 2012, 09:30 AM EDT
CNN said Biden lost by 4 percentage points. What poll did Irish Central use to say he won? Oh.....now I remember, it's only Niall O'Dowd's one person poll. Typical Irish Central leftist spin.
pickateer | Oct 12, 2012, 09:29 AM EDT
Biden won? No the man should himself for the Libertard he is! Rude beyond belief! Disrespectful to the Nth degree! And not ashamed to twist facts! It was interesting to note that more than once Raddatz moved on when Ryan was about to bury Dopey Joe with facts. Too bad Ryan didn't just come right out with identifying Solyndra and how the Kaiser Foundation was on of Obamie's big bundler's and now is taking their money out before the Government along with double dipping with the tax write off. All at the tax payers expense! O'Dowd should stop drinking the Kool-aid and go back to Jameson's with Guinness chasers. He might make more sense!
Prevailer | Oct 12, 2012, 09:26 AM EDT
To all the Biden haters: HE WON. And so did Romney WIN. Now go fish.
hermitTalker | Oct 12, 2012, 09:22 AM EDT
How utterly intellectually blind and deaf of you. Mr VP interrupted 82 times, was interrupted 32 by the excellently well-prepared and in charge moderator, a model for this format. Mr Ryan was on point, in control and eloquent in every point he made. Got the best line of the night when he commented on Mr Romney's 47 percent that we all say things that do not always turn out right. Mr Biden was a sneering arrogant man, totally unworthy of this 42-year old first time in national debate. Mr Ryan was classic Reagan, who developed the art of the story, by referring to their first-born Lisa as "bean" from the ultra-sound, and correctly made opposition to abortion a medical and scientific fact, backed by, but not resting on Church teaching. On the 16 trillion dollar iceberg that is already cutting into the sides of the Ship of State he had realistic facts, a plan and refused to bail out water - with a borrowed bucket from China. Even on foreign policy- Biden said they had wrong data from intel. on the Embassy bombing, same as happened on WMD in Iraq, and earlier in Iran under the Shah, and will rely on the same lack of incompetent "intelligence" to say when Iran will have nukes, and "a plane to launch it" while his BB buddy from Israel says it is coming soon. Is the aircraft flying in from Putin or China???
Fran Connor | Oct 12, 2012, 09:19 AM EDT
Here's a big surprise! IC declares the "D" the winner. If I had been Joe Biden I would never had run for office, knowing that I would have to show my tax return. What was it - .0013% of his income donated to charity? He seems like a nice guy, but that is a disgrace.
jamieLM | Oct 12, 2012, 09:18 AM EDT
I found Biden's demeanor obnoxious, juvenile, and distracting - laughing loudly and too often, smirking, CONSTANTLY interrupting, wild hand gestures, repeating "mullarkey". What an over-the-top performance. Just the issues, please. If I want to see theatrics, I'll book a ticket at the theatre. What a disrespectful, rude, arrogant jerk.
MotherIrish | Oct 12, 2012, 09:06 AM EDT
So who do I want to be one heart beat away from the highest office in our land? Certainly not Biden, who demeans Ryan by talking down to him, not one who calls a world leader - a PM, by his first name, (like calling QEII - Lizzie) and not giving due respect, one who yells- we had to turn the TV down on him- one who laughs because he does not know what is funny and what is serious and he had many a fact wrong to boot. Ryan held his own. He gave the demeanor I would like to see in a VP who is one heart beat away, he was respectful but stood his ground. Naill- once again, you are wrong - your head line should have been Ryan Outshines Biden.
Maggie47 | Oct 12, 2012, 08:45 AM EDT
Biden was rude and disrespectful last night.Electing a president and vice president is a serious matter. Now I know who is getting my vote.
jflanagan | Oct 12, 2012, 08:09 AM EDT
Next time you run into the Vice President ask him why a man with "basic decency" is so ready to take other peoples money for his favored contributors but gives nearly nothing of his own millions to charity. He is a phony, claims to be "blue collar" even though he has never had a blue collar job in his adult life and had very little substance so he had to resort to laughing, smirking and telling falsehoods, such as the churches not having to provide birth control against their beliefs.