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Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 12:35 PM


I've changed my mind, build the Ground Zero area mosque


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I've changed my mind on the Ground Zero mosque.

I opposed it but now I want to see it built.

I now see the damage that will be done to America's reputation worldwide if we don't allow it to go ahead.

From Pakistan to Persia they are lining up to slam the Great Satan America if we don't give the permission.

We should not play into their hands, especially since these countries have only the slightest understanding of democratic rules anyway.

Watching BBC World News this morning, the main story was threats by the Pakistani Taliban against foreign aid workers helping the desperate victims of the terrible floods there.

These are the kind of dreadful haters we are up against world wide.

I think we can show them and the watching world that we value free speech even when it clearly hurts so many vulnerable Americans in the wake of 9/11.

That is the greatest strength of this country, disagreeing with what someone says but giving them the right to say it

I've also come to hate the hypocrisy of some of those who oppose --like the idiot minister in Florida who is ready to burn Korans on 9/11.

Or The Murdock-controlled publications, who , while railing against Saudi Arabian money for the Mosque, have neatly hid the facts that one of their main investors is a Saudi Arabian Prince Alwaleed bin Talal.

How's that for hypocrisy? Saudi Arabia supplied 15 of the hijackers on 9/11.

Let's show the world what America is made of and why what makes us great is we value human rights, free speech and the right to be different.

I share no fond thoughts of the religion that will be practiced in the new mosque.

The treatment of women,the stoning of adulterers, the blinding of young girls going to school are all part of a lunatic fringe that is tolerated by the mainstream muslims far too much.

But maybe the way forward is to show and lead by example like New York mayor Michael Bloomberg is doing.

So build the mosque or the community center or whatever it is called.

Let's move on. We have more important things to focus on



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Posted by Temerity on Sep 12, 2010, 10:38 PM EDT
DennisQ I dont give a rat's A wether it is being used as a political foorball or not.Bottom line they should have enough sensitivity to know that it is bad form to blatantly erect a monument persay to the terrorist attack by Muslums911 on America. If showing no will or back bone when their fellow citizens are killed maimed and burnt alive when only doing their job working to make America a better place Is that kind of jelly back bone what America is about.I don't think so!Please spare me that collective guilt psychology crap.As long as it is common knowledge that those who carried out the attack were Muslims who lived among their American neighbours then that's it.Unless you can prove otherwise.? Build it some place else is all I am saying out of courtesy and respect for those who lost their lives.and their loved one's who still bear the pain and sorrow.
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Posted by hancock on Sep 05, 2010, 08:00 PM EDT
I don't care about dancing Israelis, screw them. A lot of people deserted the US army and a lot of people were involved in that riot. I'M not sure what your point is besides bashing The 19 century Irish. They were not exactly treated well by the native populace at the time but still managed to serve in overwhelming numbers in all wars in this countries history. I like that you use Scorcese movies as your research. Maybe we will see Muslims who are treted infinitely better in the 21 century step up to the plate in their new adopted country. I guess anything is possible
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Posted by Edinboron on Sep 05, 2010, 07:40 PM EDT
Do a search on the dancing Israelis, 9/11. It's there, see for yourself. Did Catholics 150 years ago kill thousands of Americans? Maybe, maybe not, but a bunch of them deserted from the US Army, joined the Mexican army and then fought against America. Some engaged in pretty big riots to protest being drafted to fight the Civil War. In Gangs of New York the author claimed 2000 people died in the rioting.
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Posted by hancock on Sep 05, 2010, 07:34 PM EDT
The down under wonder, is that all you got , spellcheck?
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Posted by seanomelbourne on Sep 05, 2010, 07:26 PM EDT
Wheeeeeeeeeeeee Hancocks off the planet he's so angry he misspells words. Well I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that is the reason for his misspellings.
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Posted by hancock on Sep 05, 2010, 04:12 PM EDT
I aaw what my own eyes what happened. You want to call me a liar ? You didn't see what happened but you know for a fact that it did. You got some pair of balls. Those Israelis should have gotten their heads handed to them if what you didn't see is true. Did Catholics 150 years ago kill thousands of Americans?
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Posted by Edinboron on Sep 05, 2010, 01:34 PM EDT
I believe you think it happened but I know for a fact there were Israelis dancing and celebrating. They were apprehended and arrested, to be released later. 150 years ago people were protesting and rioting over Catholic churches being built. They feared Popery and it's insidious influence in America. History repeats itself.
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Posted by hancock on Sep 05, 2010, 10:13 AM EDT
They were dancing in the streets in Brooklyn, and were told by somebody with obviously two brain cells to rub together to stop. Their initial reaction was happiness and payback. You can't be so naive to think this happened , could you? I know they were wrong about bombing that day. That proves though that people knew damn well or thought they knew who took out the towers . They ended up being right of course.
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Posted by Edinboron on Sep 05, 2010, 08:04 AM EDT
Look, all you've established is that a Middle Eastern looking guy was assaulted for practicing his 1st Amendment rights. But earlier you claimed Muslims were dancing in the streets in NJ and Brooklyn. And whoever told you we were already bombing Afghanistan at 4 on 9/11 was obviously wrong.
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Posted by hancock on Sep 04, 2010, 08:50 PM EDT
I'm just tellig you what he said, and what the guy did. Around four o'clock somebody said we were already bombing Afghanistan. The guy wasn't dancing, he was pontificating on a messenger bike. He was soon unconscious and his bike was in a dumpster. P.S. it wasn't a far leap to figure out what happened that day.
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Posted by Edinboron on Sep 04, 2010, 05:54 PM EDT
You must have a great intelligence network if you knew who attacked the Trade Center while it was going on. What dance was the guy doing? Electric Slide? 10% of Arabs are Christian. Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan are Arab countries.
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Posted by jamieLM on Sep 04, 2010, 05:34 PM EDT
I think they should build a synagogue, a Catholic cathedral, a Protestant church, and a Greek Orthodox church next to the mosque and call them all "recreational community centers."
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Posted by hancock on Sep 04, 2010, 02:51 PM EDT
When the guy says America deserves it because of bad foreign policy against Arab contries and looks like a Muslim....he s a Muslim. A guy in a suit laid him out because his sister worked in the towers. I hope she made it.
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Posted by hancock on Sep 04, 2010, 12:30 PM EDT
Yeah really, some guy whose sister might have been killed punched him out. He was talking s**t about America foreign policy and yeah hew was Muslim looking. Incidents in Brooklyn as well if you don't think that happened all over country you are naive to the extreme. P.S. screw the Iraelis too, there all a bunch of pains in the a**.
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Posted by celticsol on Sep 04, 2010, 11:02 AM EDT
Sorry, I was being a little facetious. just trying to inject a little humor as a way to ease off on all of the anger.
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Posted by Edinboron on Sep 04, 2010, 10:53 AM EDT
Surely we could better than a Hooters. So who would go to this establishment? Jews who keep the Kosher laws wouldn't go. Baptists, Mormans, Evengelicals, eschew the drink. I could be mistaken but in my 12 years of Catholic school, I don't ever recall strippers being an acceptable past time for any Christians. So who is your target audience?
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Posted by celticsol on Sep 04, 2010, 10:32 AM EDT
Let’s erect a Hooters-style rib joint with strippers & a liquor license next door to the new mosque? Booze, pork, and naked women! Happy hour would be five times a day. Just trying to promote a little diversity using the same sensitivity as the Muslim terrorists wanting to build the mosque. Every year on the anniversary of 9-11 we could have a BBQ cook-off in the street. The girls could hold a bikini car wash to raise money for the various Warrior support foundations.
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Posted by Edinboron on Sep 04, 2010, 09:50 AM EDT
"A Muslim Looking Guy"? Really? That's not profiling. When was he dancing? 5 Middle Eastern looking men were seen dancing and celebrating in several places in NJ. They were driving a van that said "Urban Moving Systems". When the police caught up with and arrested them, they were Israeli's.
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Posted by Edinboron on Sep 04, 2010, 09:03 AM EDT
What? A Muslim looking guy? But you have no proof he was a Muslim, just your profiling. Where is the dancing you claim? http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html?q=fiveisraelis.html
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Posted by hancock on Sep 03, 2010, 03:27 PM EDT
Wrong, Atlantic AV in Brooklyn and Bay Ridge. Saw a muslim looking guy get laid out sitting on a bike when he said America deserved it, in city a little uptown by a guy in a suit.
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Posted by Edinboron on Sep 03, 2010, 03:17 PM EDT
Hancock, the only people dancing on 9/11 that I have heard about were Israeli.
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Posted by Monsoonman on Sep 03, 2010, 09:32 AM EDT
It's a bit strange though, the muslim "cleric" backer of this mosque is getting a taxpayer funded trip around the world to spread his ideas and the our tax dollars are also being spent to buy this guys books.
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Posted by shidoobe on Sep 03, 2010, 08:57 AM EDT
Niall O'Dowd ... you are one insensitive self absorbed liberal and a bastard to boot! You make me sick. SO does thi entire Mosque stuff. Build Mosques but not where 3000 people died. What about the church that also was damaged on 9/11 near Ground Zero? are they getting federal funds also? Doubt it.
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Posted by hancock on Sep 02, 2010, 06:38 PM EDT
What part did it remind you of when Muslims were dancing in Brooklyn and NJ when towers were hit?
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Posted by Edinboron on Sep 02, 2010, 04:51 PM EDT
For some reason this whole thing reminds me of in "Gangs of New York" when the nativists marched on the Catholic Church with the intent of burning it down.
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Posted by seanomelbourne on Sep 02, 2010, 01:39 AM EDT
Don't care where you build your Mosques,mangers or synagogue.
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Posted by hancock on Aug 31, 2010, 11:49 PM EDT
Self loathing and liberal smugness mixed with no common sense.
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Posted by IrishAndProud on Aug 31, 2010, 11:17 PM EDT
How can a liberal be all 'offended' and bent-out-of-shape at a simple manger scene at Xmas, and yet be all suddenly gung-ho about 'freedom of religion' when it comes to a 13-STORY Islamic center, so close to Ground Zero that it takes up space where one of the landing gears fell?
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Posted by IrishTierney on Aug 31, 2010, 04:24 PM EDT
Let "them" build the mosque somewhere else. Let there be no "victory dance" mosque near Ground Zero. "The treatment of women,the stoning of adulterers, the blinding of young girls going to school are all part of a lunatic fringe that is tolerated by the mainstream muslims far too much." The next thing you'll be telling us O'Dowd is to let them practice their Sharia law in certain areas of our great nation because it's their wish and we are all so tolerant of their religious freedoms. Rubbish! Change your mind back!!!
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Posted by seanomelbourne on Aug 29, 2010, 11:51 PM EDT
Whew! you had me worried for a moment Mman.




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