Fascist groups now seen as behind Northern Ireland flag clashes -- Gerry Adams claims fascist group have leadership role in flag rallies
By: Niall O'Dowd | Published Monday, January 14, 2013, 9:30 AM | Updated Monday, January 14, 2013, 9:30 AM
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| Violence in Belfast over union flag continues (Photo: Broadsheet) |
Right wing fascist groups and mafia-type intimidators now appear to be at the heart of the flag protests in Northern Ireland.
Britain First, a fascist group based in Britain, has claimed to be at the forefront of leading what it describes as peaceful flag protests. 29 police officers were injured over the weekend in clashes that threaten to restore the bad old days in Northern Ireland.
The clashes began last month after Belfast City Council ruled on December 3 that the Union Jack would no longer fly over City Hall every day but only on 15 select days and have continued unabated since.
Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams and PSNI Chief Constable Matt Baggott have both pointed out that outside agitation is forming a large part of the protest core.
Adams stated over the weekend that, “The vast majority of the protests taking place around the flag issue are illegal. Most are being organized by the BNP, (British National Party which is composed of fascists) the UVF and criminal elements, some of whom are well known drug pushers.”
Read more news from IrelandOn their
website the British First group proclaims, “As protests continue across Ulster at the disgraceful decision to remove our flag from Belfast City Hall, Britain First has once again been at the forefront of peaceful demonstrations.
“Instead of going away, as those who would attack our flag and Ulster’s British identity had hoped, the protests are only getting stronger.
“We see protests in Ulster, we see them on the mainland – no surrender, we will never submit to this attack on our flag.
Read More: Loyalist flag riots leave 29 police injured in Belfast as violence escalates“Many thousands have turned out to take a stand against this disgusting attack, many thousands more are on the way.”
PSNI Chief Constable Matt Baggott said social media is playing a role and youngsters as young as 10 are involved.
We’ve had an 11-year-old in custody but I believe some of [the rioters] are as young as 10,” Baggott said.
“The flag has become a rallying point. If you ask them what they are doing, [some] wouldn’t be able to tell you. It’s easy for them to be manipulated. They are not mature enough to see the consequences for their own life opportunities or the bigger picture.”
He said the riots “gathered a momentum of their own, quickly, through modern communications, which is a new phenomenon.”
Baggott said there was an urgent need for the Parades Commission to tackle the protests. “There has been a vagueness about the need for protests to be properly authorized and regulated through existing mechanisms, which at the moment is the Parades Commission. There has been an ambiguity around this for some time,” he said.
Read More: Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams says “vast majority” of the Belfast protests are illegalThe deeper issue is that the unionists can feel the power flow away from them. The recent census show a nationalist majority is in the offing in Northern Ireland with the Catholic numbers one birth cycle away from a majority.
Does that mean a united Ireland?
No, not necessarily, but it means parity of esteem issues like flags will become even more important.
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Switch to the desktop site to post a comment.Joe Glackin | Mar 02, 2013, 05:39 AM EST
Who else would have a leadership role only fascists as Loyalists are Neo Nazis. ????
Joe Glackin | Mar 02, 2013, 05:36 AM EST
Who else would have a leadership role only fascists as Loyalists are Neo Nazis. ????
Ron | Jan 30, 2013, 05:05 AM EST
The Fascists! Jaysus, what next? It'll be the Islamic jihadis stealing the limelight next.
Scouse Tony | Jan 21, 2013, 02:47 AM EST
Thank you for your opinion wounded knee, I assume you are actually Irish and living in Ireland as I served with lots of lads from the north and south and oddly enough plenty of them were also Catholics and republicans, many of them were like me following a family tradition and found an alternative to the unemployment of the late 1970’s, we didn’t consider ourselves tools of imperialism we were too busy preparing for the cold war to go hot as surprisingly there was more to being a soldier than marching up and down and having TV’s hurled at us from the top floor of the Divis Flats. I could have sat on my arse and blamed Thatcher while they could have done the same and blamed the Brit’s but we didn't and oddly we managed to get a wider view of the complexity of the troubles. Sadly it seems that the inability of some to show the compromise that could have prevented years of pointless bloodshed over forty years ago is alive and well as is your apparent out of date hard-line thinking. For what it’s worth I was born on Glenalina Road, my parents moved to Liverpool in 1963 when I was three so I have a foot in both camps and make no apologies for that.
IrelandNorth | Jan 19, 2013, 02:16 PM EST
During 1995 Drumcree stand-off between Orangemen and British military blocking their access to nationalist Garvaghy Road, Portadown Brethren demanded to speak to 'British' Office commanding. Turns out he was actually from Dublin.
seamus60 | Jan 18, 2013, 11:14 AM EST
Woundedknee. With respect you`re displaying signs of the attitude used in the Bloody Sunday inquirey to exonerate those behind the scenes who gave the actual orders. How high up they go will remain beyond the pale because of the latest deflection, great time consuming issues relating to foot soldiers, who will no doubt be allowed keep their hero awards, never mind spending a single day in prison. Was that part of the back room agreement from day one. After all Martin Mc Guinness took it on himself to state that an apoligy would have been suffice in the first place.
aloistmartin | Jan 18, 2013, 10:12 AM EST
Every Good Irish Catholic is an Irish Nationalist ! And the Tea and Bisquit Peacenik, Fat Kats in Dublin, Know It !
WoundedKnee | Jan 18, 2013, 08:35 AM EST
Scouse Tony--You blame Ryaniar, joined up thinking etc. etc. How about you blame yourself? You admitted you were an imperialist using violence against Irish people. We used to have a slogan in Irish Northern Aid, and it's still valid: England, Get Out Of Ireland.
seamus60 | Jan 17, 2013, 09:32 AM EST
Scouse Tony. You are right about these type of tourists. We only have to look at the OO parades during the summer months. Then certain politicians from both sides ( some of them claiming the title of Republicans)complain about Nationalists travelling from West to North Belfast in order to give solidarity and support to residents groups holding non violent protests at the same OO trooping through their area. Matt Baggot has said his officers just can`t sweep protesters off the roads, even though they do every year in Ardoyne.
IrelandNorth | Jan 17, 2013, 03:34 AM EST
There's an interesting correlation between these BNP/BF hope and glory footsoldiers of imperialism and soccer hooligans proper, who used not only assault rival fans from other European nations/states, but rival fans of other English soccer clubs back home.
Scouse Tony | Jan 16, 2013, 09:49 PM EST
Riot tourism isn’t anything new, on my last tour in Northern Ireland in the 1990’s I was deployed to Drumcree, the most vocal and most likely to be hurling bags of faeces among the loyalist protesters usually had Liverpool or Glasgow accents we arrested three with addresses off Netherfield Road Liverpool’s Orange Order heartland in one day. It was one thing to be abused by the locals but when it’s someone who lives half a mile from your family home you tended to get proper peeved. The British government were able to stop miners attending lawful protests during the miners’ strike in the 80’s but seem less keen on preventing interfering knuckle dragger's from taking brick hurling weekender's. I blame Ryanair’s cheap flights, lack of joined up thinking and people with too much time on their hands.
seanomelb | Jan 16, 2013, 05:31 PM EST
McGrath is proud to call himself southern Irish like his poste they don't exists. He's as IRish as British pork sausages.
seanomelb | Jan 16, 2013, 05:31 PM EST
McGrath is proud to call himself southern Irish like his poste they don't exists. He's as IRish as British pork sausages.
seanomelb | Jan 16, 2013, 05:30 PM EST
McGrath is proud to call himself southern Irish like his poste they don't exists. He's as IRish as British pork sausages.
seanomelb | Jan 16, 2013, 05:30 PM EST
McGrath is proud to call himself southern Irish like his poste they don't exists. He's as IRish as British pork sausages.
seanomelb | Jan 16, 2013, 05:30 PM EST
McGrath is proud to call himself southern Irish like his poste they don't exists. He's as IRish as British pork sausages.
IrelandNorth | Jan 16, 2013, 02:23 PM EST
Britain First (BF)? So what are they doing interfering in the internal affairs of a part of Ireland? More geographically dyslectic neo-imperialists pining for the good ol'days of yon?
IrelandNorth | Jan 16, 2013, 02:22 PM EST
Britain First (BF)? So what are they doing interfering in the internal affairs of a part of Ireland? More geographically dyslectic neo-imperialists pining for the good ol'days of yon?
IrelandNorth | Jan 16, 2013, 02:22 PM EST
Britain First (BF)? So what are they doing interfering in the internal affairs of a part of Ireland? More geographically dyslectic neo-imperialists pining for the good ol'days of yon?
seamus60 | Jan 16, 2013, 10:52 AM EST
Sully1167. It appears Adams doesn`t believe the people in the 26 have hit rock bottom yet ,other wise he would already have been calling them onto the streets as thats the only politics he and his party know. Look North for proof.
seamus60 | Jan 16, 2013, 10:25 AM EST
Stevenstar. Easy to see you don`t have loyalist parades trooping up and down past your home.
STEVENSTAR | Jan 16, 2013, 09:20 AM EST
NOT AT ALL GERRY ITS JUST A SMALL MINORITY OF TROUBLE MAKES THAT ARE DOING THIS... I WISH THE REPULICANS AND THE LOYALISTS WOULD STOP TRYIN TO CAUSE TROUBLE WHEN THE REST OF US IRISH LIKE MYSELF JUST WANT PEACE AND HAVE NO ISSUES WITH BRITIAN....MATTER OF FACT IM SOUTERN IRISH AND I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THE NORTH BEEN JOINED BACK TO THE SOUTH AGAIN .....WE CAN AFFORD IT !!!!
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:46 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
sully1167 | Jan 16, 2013, 06:45 AM EST
MichealMcgrath, I agree with you as another Nationalist. If only the Irish in The Republic, were as passionate. The Irish should be rising up against the EU and their own Goverment selling them out. If only all the non-Irish can be kicked out and replaced with Republicans/ Nationalists from NI.
cillowen | Jan 15, 2013, 11:38 PM EST
the key to Ulster was a town known as Drogheda. On September 11 the town was sacked and a massacre transpired. According to Cromwell, “the slaughter of women and children is allowed to have impunity, as comprehended in right of war and the 137th Psalm, ‘Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy children against the storm.’ ” The town’s garrison troops, almost to a man, and all priests, were killed. Those who fled to hide in St. Peter’s church were easily dispatched – clustered in the steeple, they were burned to death. The voice of a miserable human torch was heard to cry out: “God damn me, God confound me; I burn, I burn.” Cromwell repeated the words without emotion in his battle report to parliament. Cromwell said, “I am persuaded that this is a righteous judgment of God upon these barbarous wretches, who have imbued their hands in so much innocent blood.” The reaction to the news in England was one of delight and rejoicing. The ministers gave out the happy tidings from the pulpits. September 11 (9/11) was set aside as a day of public thanksgiving. The heinous rewards.Irish rebels had received their just The lesson was repeated on October 11 in the town of Wexford in southern Hy Kinsella. Once again the Irish refused to surrender, and after eight days the town fell and was sacked and on and on it went and now its the heaped upon ridicule that is part of the mind warp lack of empathy that Anglo's brain crave as cover.
cillowen | Jan 15, 2013, 11:35 PM EST
By 1649 King Charles had lost the war along with his head, clearing the way for a fervent Protestant zealot, Oliver Cromwell, who was appointed Commander-General for Ireland by the English parliament. He believed implicitly in the exaggerated massacre of 1641, and it provided the moral basis for fresh English colonization that he was planning. Before leaving for Ireland Cromwell told his troops they were Israelites about to extirpate the idolatrous inhabitants of Canaan. He and his men landed near Dublin in 1649 A combination of prejudice and hard political realities dictated what Cromwell and his troops did. The prevailing English view of the Irish stressed their ignorance, crudity, superstition and barbarity. Edmund Spenser, writing a century before, offered this English solution to the Irish problem: “the corrupt branches and unwholesome boughs are first to be pruned, and the foul moss cleansed and scraped away before the tree can bring forth any good fruit.” Added to this prejudice were the powerful myths that had grown about the 1641 uprising, which created an overwhelming desire for revenge in England. Cromwell, the man leading the invasion, the one responsible for controlling the pent-up hatred of the English troops, was convinced that he was embarked on a godly crusade against the Catholics. He felt the Irish expedition had to be speedy, conclusive and cheap. An unsubdued Ireland was again seen as a back-door threat from England’s enemies that needed to be shut tightly. Ulster, totally under the control of the Irish again, was Cromwell’s first destination, and the key to Ulster was a town known as Drogheda. On September 11 the town was sacked and a massacre transpired.
seamus60 | Jan 15, 2013, 07:18 PM EST
Loyalists in the North don`t need facists to come from anywhere to show them how its done. They are the experts with so much knowledge on the subject they have been exporting it for centuries. Not going un-noticed either is how shy Adams and his party faithfull are at calling for what to be done against those involved in the violence. After all they wasted no time in suggesting Nationalist families be kicked out of their homes should any family members be caught rioting during the resident protests in Ardoyne. Some thing even the brits would never have tried.
eiriamach | Jan 15, 2013, 12:09 PM EST
If "Britain First" aren't fascists, they sure give a good imitation while taking credit for the riots. Their web site also supports "the continued unity of the United Kingdom whilst recognising the individual identity and culture of the peoples of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland." They leave no room for ambiguity about their opinion of the "identity and culture" of their neighbours in the Republic. Next, they use the word "colonisation" when they refer to "immigration" and "the importation of foreign labour into our homeland." "Colonised by immigration and foreign labour": they can put that on their six-counties' flag and wave it! How touching is this delusion: "Genuine British citizens will be put first in housing, jobs, education, welfare and health.... We will end the politically correct preference given to ethnic minority groups." What the heck do they think "Genuine British" is if it is not an ethnic minority group?
RedBranch | Jan 15, 2013, 11:32 AM EST
'Right wing fascist groups and mafia-type intimidators now appear to be at the heart of the flag protests in Northern Ireland.' And to think just a few decades ago it used to be tin pot African dictators, Columbian narco-terrorists and bitter barstool generals in the US who used to be behind the Northern Ireland riots. But putting in that extra 'zing' that comes with semtex, armalites and RPGs. These boys today are mere amatures
6countybrit | Jan 15, 2013, 10:11 AM EST
The BNP don,t exist in Ulster you bunch of morons. Treat us like second class citizens and we will act like second class citizens. We shall not be moved - in the spirit of Civil rights. Equality rules the way.
IrelandNorth | Jan 15, 2013, 04:01 AM EST
Jacob! Sinn Fein is the only All Ireland republican party operating in both artificial pjurisdictions on the Island. Its president, ex-MP/MLA for west Belfast no TD for north Louth, the Rt Hon Dep Adams, I believe is elected by popular franchise.
IrelandNorth | Jan 15, 2013, 03:15 AM EST
Jacob! Your appreciation of political science is wanting. Sinn Féin is unique in being the only All Ireland republican party operating in both artificial parts of the country. And is still led by the and democratically accountable (ex-MP/MLA) - the Rt Hon Deputy Adams, TD by populsr suffrage. Ron! You're appreciation of geography is as challenged as Jacob's grasp of Irish politics. Three of Ulster's 9 counties are within the artificial 26 county jurisdiction. Should Cavan, Donegal and/or Monaghan work out their own salvation too? Use yer head - man, for other than head butting yer laptops' keyboard. A minimum requirement for posting on this website is that posters have a modicum of grey matter between their ears.
Thomas84 | Jan 15, 2013, 02:36 AM EST
irishman oz .... i think that was cromwells flag my man O.o
IrishmanOz | Jan 15, 2013, 01:05 AM EST
Maybe it's time for a new flag ! How about the Flag of the Commonwealth (1649-1651)not a bad choice 50% cross of st. george and 50% irish harp. or the Flag_of_the_Commonwealth_(1658-1660)a union flag with the irish harp in the centre. Morrissey's song Irish blood English heart could be the anthem.
cillowen | Jan 14, 2013, 10:04 PM EST
Its that NRA mentality, of it being their way or the highway. Soft coating it, is too easy.
curtisjohnson | Jan 14, 2013, 08:21 PM EST
@Jacob - " Surely not the same Gerry Adams that used to lead the fascist band calling itself Sinn Fein?" Care to provide some evidence for the silly proposition that Sinn Fein is a fascist party?
seanomelb | Jan 14, 2013, 04:38 PM EST
MichealMcGraths twisted logic inoto somehow blaming Sinn Fein for the Orange thuggery in the statelet is almost laughable. Sinn Fein doesn't contol the economics of the failed statlet. I fera McGrath is looking for reasons to justify his west Brit bent. You do have one point Micheal the fascists from britain are small fry in the protests over the flag. Dragging your ethnic bigotry into the debate does you no justice.
Ron | Jan 14, 2013, 02:53 PM EST
'Does that mean a united Ireland?' Is someone being serious? Eire wouldn't touch Ulster with a long barge pole! That would be like importing ever-lasting conflict into a country dealing with its own likely immigration problems as East Europeans flood in. Who would willingly ask for that? To Ulster...work out your own salvation with diligence, as Ghandi would have said.
Jacob | Jan 14, 2013, 02:41 PM EST
Surely not the same Gerry Adams that used to lead the fascist band calling itself Sinn Fein?
IrelandNorth | Jan 14, 2013, 02:27 PM EST
It's not as if neo-nazi involvement wasn't flagged up with Herr Nik Griffin at Covenant Day in Belfast last Autumn. Middle class unionist full Stormontians let the genie of loyalist paramilitarism out of the oil lamp in a naked attempt to unseat unionist moderate Naomi Long from Robinson's previous Westminister seat for east Belfast by demonising Alliance re flag flying harmonisation with other council areas in NI, which some of his own DUP MLAs agreed with heretofore. Now, subcontracted popular protesting progressive unionists seem to have resubcontracted street violence to proto-fascist/neo-nazi groups over from England. This evening's UTV/BBCNI teatime news show police officer being ram-rodded by union-jack wielding British nationalist, and Billy Hutchinson looking on like a dog owner who has lost control of a Rothweilers. NI Justice Min should call on Jus/Eq/Def Min Shatter for Gárda mutual aid and assistance urgently, before they lose the tactical iniative to poundshop Sir Oswald Molsleyites. And for Irish Army back up if necessary, in aid to the civil power there. At least until order is restored. What are friends for, after all.
Portia_O'Neill | Jan 14, 2013, 02:10 PM EST
Fascist groups? Mafia-type intimidators? I though Benito Mussolini was dead. If only Niall studied history and refrained from lazy comparisons readers might actually learn something from his analysis.
MichaelMcGrath | Jan 14, 2013, 12:27 PM EST
As an Irish Nationalist I do not blame the Unionists of Northern Ireland from wanting to come out from under Sinn Fein Marxist Rule, Sinn Fein property taxes and Sinn Fein Health, Education and Welfare cuts. As has been shown for years in the South Sinn Fein has no proper economic policy, they can't because they don't know anything about economics or running a country.All they have ever known about is kill or be killed, and now their leaders, including Adams, have their faces in the trough of State salaries and pensions - that's all they care about. The British Fascists you speak of would be very small , nor would they have the influence you attribute to them, not at all. But even they, indeed all of us in Ireland and the UK , are entitled to our countries and to all the jobs , not Blacks from Africa. And that's at the root of this rioting, looking after everybody but our own. The working classes of North and South are copping on to the mass immigration aimed against them all, depriving them of jobs in their own countries and spending all that tax money , Billions, on Blacks and Asians pouring in still even though there are no jobs left. Thus as an Irish Nationalist in the South I understand the rioters perfectly, what has them out there in the streets , and I look forward to the day when Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Waterford, Galway and my own Kilkenny are out there in the streets too battling for Irish governments to take notice and look after their own Irish people, North and South.
puffin | Jan 14, 2013, 12:09 PM EST
Unfortunately both flags have been debased in the past,the union flag by Loyalist paramilitaries,and the tricolour by all the different strands of the IRA,to the extent that neither is can claim to be representative of all the people in Northern Ireland,the Assembly should set about designing a flag which all could give some if not all their allegiance,like the state flags in the US
stephendoyle | Jan 14, 2013, 11:32 AM EST
pilib04 When it comes to Ireland, nothing is off topic. Puffin and I will discuss what we like....
pilib04 | Jan 14, 2013, 11:31 AM EST
I have noted for some time the fascist nature of the flag riots. Thank you, Niall, for writing on this. This is much more sinister than the UUP and the DUP who instigated the demonstrations in the first place. The rioters are using "peaceful demonstrations" to assemble and then attack the police, innocent bystanders and the Short Strand nationalist enclave. It's high time to put an end to these marches that have strangled Belfast.
pilib04 | Jan 14, 2013, 11:28 AM EST
Seems to be a lot of off-topic chatter here. Believe the subject is Fascist and Gang leadership of the Flag Riots. Do try and stay on point.
puffin | Jan 14, 2013, 11:05 AM EST
He certainly knows how to take care of himself big time.
stephendoyle | Jan 14, 2013, 10:53 AM EST
@puffin I will not crticize you on a personal level but my mention of history was just a picture of what is in the Irish genes. The inbred family enthroned in britian that dares to think they are better than others have been sucking the blood of Ireland for centuries. You can go after the Catholic Church if you feel the need, I am no defender of the faitn, but I am a defender of Ireland, the land and it's people, no matter what faith they are. I am no defender of Gerry Adams either, just a fan of his. He can and has taken care of himself and hasd the courage to stand up for his country. Erin Go Braugh
puffin | Jan 14, 2013, 10:39 AM EST
Stephen was the first to go back centuries,in his SF polemic,mentioning rape which is highly emotive in any context,I merely pointed out factually that the Catholic Church is the institution responsible more instances of rape in Ireland than any other,I do not support the flag protests and if anything would have sympathy with the Alliance party in this instance, but because I have the temerity to criticize Gerry Prostrate I am an orange bigot go figure
Tooreenagrena | Jan 14, 2013, 10:19 AM EST
Once again it can be seen that there are 'professional bigots' on another irish site. THis is not a coincidence. Saddo unionists like 'puffin' with no life bit a lot of hatred for Ireland and the Irish
stephendoyle | Jan 14, 2013, 10:16 AM EST
And what about the Crusades for that matter. LOL, we could go on and on about rape and pillage. I think ever since there was 3 or more people on this earth there was raping going on. I see we are on different sides of the fence on this issue. But I won't hold that against you when Ireland is united, which we both know one day it will be.......
puffin | Jan 14, 2013, 10:10 AM EST
And I suppose the Irish never done raping or pillaging what about the Christian Brothers,
stephendoyle | Jan 14, 2013, 09:58 AM EST
@puffin People like Gerry are out in front of the spotlights and are entitled to their opinions just like the rest of us.As for the oppurtunity to wait for eternity's to get 2nd rate medical service, I'd rather pay. You are trying to say the british oppression of the Irish for centuries, the rape and pillage of a people and it's land and then dividing the island is OK because we get heath care for free?? No Thanks!
puffin | Jan 14, 2013, 09:39 AM EST
Stephen I have nothing but respect,at least he put his money where his mouth is,or where his prostrate is,the rest of us have to make do with a free cradle to grave healthcare system paid for by the oppressive British socialist state,oh I forgot Gerry is now a TD maybe he didn't want to take a chance with ROI healthcare system,PS if he had hugged trees he might not have the problem in the first place.
ToryTory | Jan 14, 2013, 09:15 AM EST
British First? The BNP? Anyone who believes that crap is living cuckoo land. Paramilitaries likely have a hand at play, but Britain based non-entities like the BNP? Smacks of politicking and nothing more.
Silling | Jan 14, 2013, 09:04 AM EST
What's in a flag? Sure didn't the French cut the white chevron out of their tricolor when the Germans walked into Nord Pas de Callais in 1940 this is why they have double standards.
merefalow | Jan 14, 2013, 09:02 AM EST
exactomundo,luxfair,what are you on buddy,super crack,or is it supposed to be rapp,whatever,someone please translate,i,d have more luck with the rosetta stone,(which was the key to desyphering Egyptian heiroglyphics,)
stephendoyle | Jan 14, 2013, 08:47 AM EST
@luxefaire What the Fu@@ was that ranting about?? I'll take a snail or a monkey for company over that rambling anytime. Time to take your meds again please. And puffin Gerry's attitude was gained thru years of british oppression and suppression. These british fascist punks have had an easy life and have yet to learn the bitter lessons in life under british rule......
luxefaire | Jan 14, 2013, 08:31 AM EST
They tell us that We lost our tails Evolving up From little snails I say it's all Just wind in sails Are we not men? We are Devo! Are we not men? D-E-V-O We're pinheads now We are not whole We're pinheads all Jocko homo Are we not men? We are Devo! Are we not men? D-E-V-O Monkey men all In business suits Teachers and critics All dance the poot Are we not men? We are Devo! Are we not men? D-E-V-O Are we not pins? We are Devo! Are we not men? D-E-V-O I got a rhyme that comes with a riddle O-HI-O What's round on the ends and high in the middle? O-HI-O God made man But he used the monkey to do it Apes in the plan We're all here to prove it I can walk like an ape Talk like an ape Do what a monkey can do God made man But a monkey supplied the glue Are we not men? We are Devo! Are we not men? We are Devo! Are we not men? We are Devo! Are we not men? We are Devo! We must repeat D-E-V-O We must repeat D-E-V-O We must repeat D-E-V-O We must repeat D-E-V-O We must repeat D-E-V-O We must repeat D-E-V-O We must repeat D-E-V-O We must repeat O.K. let's go!
puffin | Jan 14, 2013, 07:52 AM EST
Gerry is correct,it takes one to know one